/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Llamarble]

Benmage and Shadoweh would be 'safe' reads no matter what pile they were put in.
After I find a reasonable explanation for something, I should stop looking for other possibilities or information to be gained? Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Besides, how often do you stop in mid-reading-process even when it is arguably the right move?
Posting a lot is usually the closest I come to keeping notes. I could probably reconstruct what I was thinking while writing 763, but I don't see why that is worth the time.
Benmage is sketchy because the initial contribution -> peter out pattern is always scummy. He was also sketchy early on because being useful wasn't something I associated with his town game. Maybe that does him a disservice, but that's the impression of him I had. His play in this game does remind me of his town-play in whiteflag, but it's not like the reasons he was almost mislynched there were particularly bad.
I believe I can read hard to read players, it just takes more work. I do not generally vote people in order to get them to produce material; I vote my best scumread and material comes of its own accord.
I suspected CES D1 so my vote on him D2 after the 2 scumreads I suggested lynching d1 died is probably one of my less from-the-blue actions this game.

You should probably try to lynch Benmage or CES if you don't want to lynch Shadoweh; you're unlikely to get anywhere voting me.

[Faraday]

Day 2, Votecount 12

Vi (2) - Benmage, Tammy
Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - OhGodMyLife, Untrod Tripod, Shadoweh
Untrod Tripod (1) - Deasvail
Deasvail (1) - Wickedestjr

Shadoweh (4) - Tierce, Cogito Ergo Sum, Llamarble, Vi

Llamarble (1) - Nachomamma8

Not voting (1) :

Empire

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 21st of March at 11:15pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-21 19:15:44)
  
• No One V/la

[Llamarble]

nacho, get on the CES wagon and we can get a real dueling wagons thing going here. you're the key, don't let me down man

That would make
CES + Vi + Tierce + Me
vs
UT + Nacho + Shadoweh + OGML wagon.
Good luck.

[Vi]

If you subscribe to the "Benmage scum usually looks at least a little pro-town when scum" bit, then why did you care about his contribution petering off? Shouldn't that reassure you a little bit?

Did you really just post this?

One day left to deadline; nothing to be gained from a No Lynch, pick a wagon and move it move it.

Cut: *snerk*

[Shadoweh]

As long as we lynch from the Benmage UT Shadoweh CES Nacho pool I won't be too sad, but Shadoweh looks like the way to go.
The company on the wagon is excellent and Shadoweh voting CES at this point does bode well for her flipping scum.

It bodes well for me voting Not Myself you pretentious douche. Congrats at analyzing that a wagon that 'looks' good can be wrong. I wouldn't put money on CES being scum either but I've at least read my own role PM and it says you suck. It's written there, #LlamarbleSux.
(I don't have a twitter account, I just wanted to YOLO like everyone else :< )

[Nachomamma8]

If you subscribe to the "Benmage scum usually looks at least a little pro-town when scum" bit, then why did you care about his contribution petering off? Shouldn't that reassure you a little bit?

Did you really just post this?

One day left to deadline; nothing to be gained from a No Lynch, pick a wagon and move it move it.

Cut: *snerk*

are you kidding me

[Nachomamma8]

nacho, get on the CES wagon and we can get a real dueling wagons thing going here. you're the key, don't let me down man

That would make
CES + Vi + Tierce + Me
vs
UT + Nacho + Shadoweh + OGML wagon.
Good luck.

you better kill me tonight

Vote: CES

[Llamarble]

hehehe
I don't mean to be pretentious Shadoweh, though I certainly admit I think highly of myself.
Your reaction to your wagon isn't actually awful, though in your position if I didn't want a CES lynch I would make another one happen.

Benmage sure is the guy everybody wants to lynch but nobody is voting.

[Vi]

If you subscribe to the "Benmage scum usually looks at least a little pro-town when scum" bit, then why did you care about his contribution petering off? Shouldn't that reassure you a little bit?

Did you really just post this?

One day left to deadline; nothing to be gained from a No Lynch, pick a wagon and move it move it.

Cut: *snerk*

are you kidding me

"You said Benmage looks a little pro-Town as scum and Benmage is doing something scummy here so that means he's Town right?"

Please justify this logic. Please. I don't have popcorn but I have hot chocolate and that's close enough to party food for me.

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Your reaction to your wagon isn't actually awful, though in your position if I didn't want a CES lynch I would make another one happen.

Benmage sure is the guy everybody wants to lynch but nobody is voting.

Benmage (1) - Shadoweh

[Shadoweh]

hehehe
I don't mean to be pretentious Shadoweh, though I certainly admit I think highly of myself.
Your reaction to your wagon isn't actually awful, though in your position if I didn't want a CES lynch I would make another one happen.

Benmage sure is the guy everybody wants to lynch but nobody is voting.

I WAS VOTING HIM. THIS RESULTED IN AN INSTANT WAGON ON ME FOLLOWED BY NO VOTES ON BENMAGE. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!

[Nachomamma8]

Please justify this logic. Please. I don't have popcorn but I have hot chocolate and that's close enough to party food for me.

Benmage is sketchy because the initial contribution -> peter out pattern is always scummy. He was also sketchy early on because being useful wasn't something I associated with his town game. Maybe that does him a disservice, but that's the impression of him I had. His play in this game does remind me of his town-play in whiteflag, but it's not like the reasons he was almost mislynched there were particularly bad.

benmage is scummy for contributing! benmage town isn't useful, are you kidding me?
and now he's scummy for not continuing to be useful because contributing then not contributing is scummy!

[Tierce]

hehehe
I don't mean to be pretentious Shadoweh, though I certainly admit I think highly of myself.
Your reaction to your wagon isn't actually awful, though in your position if I didn't want a CES lynch I would make another one happen.

Benmage sure is the guy everybody wants to lynch but nobody is voting.

I WAS VOTING HIM. THIS RESULTED IN AN INSTANT WAGON ON ME FOLLOWED BY NO VOTES ON BENMAGE. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!

If you think your wagon comes mostly from your Benmage vote, you should probably have another thought coming.

I've been non-survivalistic as either alignment, but I believe I've only gone #WELP #VOTECOUNTERWAGON #YOLO as scum. Mind explaining the thought process of voting an unclaimed Townread this close to deadline?

[Llamarble]

There isn't even a contradiction there Nacho.
I found Benmage suspicious / worthy of investigation early for his manner of useful-seeming participation, not that that was a particularly amazing tell for which I lynched him; in fact he seemed town much of D1.
Then his contribution tapered off, which I find scummy.

[Vi]

Hey Nacho. Wanna vote Benmage?

[Nachomamma8]

There isn't even a contradiction there Nacho.
I found Benmage suspicious / worthy of investigation early for his manner of useful-seeming participation, not that that was a particularly amazing tell for which I lynched him; in fact he seemed town much of D1.
Then his contribution tapered off, which I find scummy.

You said that Benmage is generally useless as town. Then when he's actually starting to be useless, you continue to call him scum.

Vote: Benmage

[Vi]

Hey Tierce. Wanna vote Benmage?

[Nachomamma8]

I know Llamarble does.

[Llamarble]

I am going to do one more readpass right now before I do even though I was planning to do some work, but yeah, probably.

[Tierce]

Hey Tierce. Wanna vote Benmage?

Shadoweh is far more entertaining, even though I

would

like to keep that avatar in the game.

[Vi]

Perhaps. What's your take on the CESta wagon?

[Nachomamma8]

It took her until less than 72 hours till end of D2 to start producing any semblance of content, and frankly I only think she's doing it because I'm voting her.

Day 2 was a boring day until recently.

[Tierce]

Perhaps. What's your take on the CESta wagon?

I think therefore I nap

I'm prety bad at analyzing wagons without a flip, and tbqh I haven't even read anything that places votes on people and explains them if the person doing it isn't called Empire or Vi or a few others. The only thing I know offhand is that Shadoweh's jump on it was bad; I do know Town players who vote their counterwagons, but I'd definitely expect something more developed out of a VT with her play skill, this close to deadline.

[Vi]

Well, I meant joining the CES wagon. Y/N

[Tierce]

Hells to the N.

[Vi]

Yes, that's what you were saying D1.

Then, that leaves us with the maybe-chance on Shadoweh or a better chance on Benmage, thinkest thou not?