/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Tammy]

Zach - why were you thinking of voting UT?

[Zachrulez]

Zach - why were you thinking of voting UT?

Konowa's play struck me as underwhelming, followed by Untrod's play rubbing me the wrong way. (Though to think of it, I don't think I've ever played with Untrod town... so.)

I actually did have the vote typed up, and then I remembered my thoughts regarding Vi/CES.

Why not?

He's probably town.

What makes you say that?

[Empire]

Zach, thoughts on Llamarble?

[Tammy]

If you have been reading my posts, which I'm increasingly believing you just read that one or two in which I said I wanted to sheep someone, you would know that although I've been flip flopping on you since the start of the game, the last thing I said about you was that I thought you might be town, unless I was off on my scum list and then you and/or nacho might be scum.

You said it awhile ago and the tone of your post implied you thought I was doing scummy shit. I wouldn't say I have a case worth sheeping but in my humble opinion it's better then what is quickly becoming a last minute power wagon on easy pickings. You're still currently voting Vi, so you aren't voting Not-Me yet. Even if you aren't confident, it's time to make a stand, at least that's what I think. (even if ironically being loud is what's contributing to this.) It sounds like you don't like the current wagons either so either look for something new for sharks to dig into or enjoy telling me to shutup in the votingest way possible.

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Yes, I do think you are doing scummy shit, but I don't know if you're scum doing scummy shit or town. What I think is most scummy is the weird meta attacks you've been making this game that aren't even close to being correct. The argument against empire was off day one. And your argument against me day one which has evolved into a day two of new and special incorrect meta to use against me. I got crap from you and empire because oh my god Tammy was writing in short posts giving thoughts as she goes along! How can that possibly come from town? I need to see walls! I give walls, and now you're inventing new meta things I'm supposed to be supplying. And if any of you knew the more I think about people the more my reads suck, you wouldn't complain about me starting out the game the way I did this one.

If you look at my meta I also self-meta as town, because this conversation isn't meta enough. In truth you are correct, I didn't go into depth in your posts because after soloing the other lanes I needed to resupply. And I wanted to see your response first.

Okay. Two things. What grand insight did you get from annoying me? And are you saying you're reading people in iso's and not reading the game as it progresses?

As for what I'm going to do now, I'm honestly not sure. I don't have a case to push people onto even if I were to convince people to get off me. I supose it doesn't matter, if the active posters want to throw me out then so be it. Just don't spend tomorrow lynching each other and take some pot shots at the lurkers instead.

If you don't have a case to push people onto and are unable to come up with one, why are you all befuddled that I don't have one?

[Zachrulez]

Zach, thoughts on Llamarble?

Best answer is probably that I don't have a clue. One more along the lines of what you probably want is that if I were to put a read on him at this moment, I'd say weak town?

[Vi]

Day 2, Votecount 15

Untrod Tripod (2) - Deasvail, Tammy
Shadoweh (3) - Tierce, Cogito Ergo Sum, Vi

Benmage (4) - Nachomamma8, OhGodMyLife, Shadoweh, Llamarble

OhGodMyLife (1) - Benmage
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Untrod Tripod, Zachrulez

Not voting (1) :

Empire

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 22nd of March at 11:59pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-22 19:59:59)
  
• No One V/la

For people on the go (e.g. me).

@Zach: I aim to please! or insult, but in this case please.

@UT: Out of interest, what reference were you making with that image?

The CES wagon is officially bad. Zach, please move off. UT and Benmage are both great alternatives.

[Tammy]

I would think it was pretty clear that I count you and Tammy as townreads because I'm like, actually trying to get you to go along with me on stuff. I don't negotiate with scum.

I also have a provisional townread on Empire in addition to the aforementioned town read on benmage.

my only strong scumread is on CES and I have a bit of a scum boner for Shadoweh. what else did you want to know?

Nacho mama is the one who started the wagon on benmage. How can the benmage wagon be a ruse to save shadoweh and be started by someone you think is town?

[OhGodMyLife]

Say Vi, could you maybe get on the Benmage wagon now? Pretty please?

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Untrod Tripod

Because Vi told me to. (Next scumread anyway.)

What changed with CES though? Curious.

[Untrod Tripod]

I would think it was pretty clear that I count you and Tammy as townreads because I'm like, actually trying to get you to go along with me on stuff. I don't negotiate with scum.

I also have a provisional townread on Empire in addition to the aforementioned town read on benmage.

my only strong scumread is on CES and I have a bit of a scum boner for Shadoweh. what else did you want to know?

Nacho mama is the one who started the wagon on benmage. How can the benmage wagon be a ruse to save shadoweh and be started by someone you think is town?

one person does not a wagon make. my townreads are perfectly capable of being wrong, by the way. you know, kind of like how your vote on me is shit

[Tammy]

do go on, Tammy. I'm sure this case based on activity since I replaced in will be well-founded and not at all stupid

The caps response to ces when he voted shadoweh read off, and today instead of just answering a question you played the semantics game.

[Untrod Tripod]

what semantics game?

[Tammy]

I would think it was pretty clear that I count you and Tammy as townreads because I'm like, actually trying to get you to go along with me on stuff. I don't negotiate with scum.

I also have a provisional townread on Empire in addition to the aforementioned town read on benmage.

my only strong scumread is on CES and I have a bit of a scum boner for Shadoweh. what else did you want to know?

Nacho mama is the one who started the wagon on benmage. How can the benmage wagon be a ruse to save shadoweh and be started by someone you think is town?

one person does not a wagon make. my townreads are perfectly capable of being wrong, by the way. you know, kind of like how your vote on me is shit

There were three votes on benmage at the time that you called it a ruse designed to distract from the scum wagon of shadoweh.

[Untrod Tripod]

@UT: Out of interest, what reference were you making with that image?

that's the crying indian. it's a fairly iconic image

subtext: I think a lot of what you're saying is fake

[Tammy]

you keep using this word...evidence....

you literally can't have evidence unless you have a mod-confirmed investigative result, and even then...

I have reads, I think benmage is town and I read that wagon as a rusewagon on town to distract us from the SCUMifom.

we have seven hours. can we swing a CES lynch? Shadoweh I know is on board. I definitely am.

show of hands?

What changed from your just a few hours ago "we have the scum" post?

oh hey there false dichotomy, haven't seen you in like four posts. missed u babe

[Untrod Tripod]

serious question, is english not your first language? because that's not at all what semantics means

also the Benmage wagon consisted of Nacho (townread), OGML (wtf is he even doing he's like intentionally trying to not provide content), and Shadoweh (who I've said I have a scumread on) so I'm pretty sure I can claim that a wagon is scumdriven where there are (from my POV) two potential scum on it

[Untrod Tripod]

I mean, evidence is a word that it's important that we use correctly. at this stage of the game we can hardly have ACTUAL evidence and that hard absolutely are NOT a thing I throw around lightly. I don't call things absolute that aren't, so I was making the point (as I always do, you can check my meta) that you can't use the word evidence at this time

as far as false dichotomy, I mean that's a logic thing, not a semantic thing

[Untrod Tripod]

do go on, Tammy. I'm sure this case based on activity since I replaced in will be well-founded and not at all stupid

The caps response to ces when he voted shadoweh read off, and today instead of just answering a question you played the semantics game.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand just as I expected your reasoning was absolute shit nothing to see here move along

[Tierce]

Let's have fun, shall we?

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: Benmage

[Tammy]

@UT: Out of interest, what reference were you making with that image?

that's the crying indian. it's a fairly iconic image


subtext: I think a lot of what you're saying is fake

Do you have a scum read on him?

[Untrod Tripod]

wouldn't go that far. he says a whole of nothing though.

[Tammy]

I mean, evidence is a word that it's important that we use correctly. at this stage of the game we can hardly have ACTUAL evidence and that hard absolutely are NOT a thing I throw around lightly. I don't call things absolute that aren't, so I was making the point (as I always do, you can check my meta) that you can't use the word evidence at this time

as far as false dichotomy, I mean that's a logic thing, not a semantic thing

No, see you're squabbling with me over the use of a word and whether or not it's proper rather than just answering the question.

And you introduced the fallacy of a false dichotomy because that's not what I did when I asked you the question.

[Untrod Tripod]

NO I DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING EVIDENCE, ME SAYING YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE EVIDENCE KIND OF ANSWERS THAT QUESTION NOW DOESN'T IT

and yes, it was a false dichotomy. you're implying that of ces and shadoweh only one can be scum. I prefer the ces lynch so I went back to it when deadline was extended

[Tammy]

we have seven hours. can we swing a CES lynch? Shadoweh I know is on board. I definitely am.

show of hands?

You may have officially switched over after deadline extension, but I'm sorry to inform you that this post came before that, and after not only was shadoweh put at l-1 but your post declaring that we HAVE the scum.

I'm also sorry o inform you but I never set up a false dichotomy because I never excluded ces as a scum read but wondered hat happened to the confidence you showed in the previous post when you declared we HAD the scum.

Also it doesn't matter what the word used is but in that post you sounded certain due o the rise of the benmage wagon that we HAD scum.

Now instead do just saying something along the lines of "yeah, that's pretty damning and I still think shadoweh is scum but I feel more confident in my ces read" you started throwing out crap that really didn't answer the question at all.

[Tammy]

Okay shadoweh was just here reading and not posting.