Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[AngryPidgeon]

This. game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I'll give this one more shot at being civil.

Majiffy, having played NY161 with me, do you still think me wagon hopping on a whim is a scumtell?

Nero, why are you voting me?

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero, why are you voting me?

An actual post please. Not 'YOU KNOW WHY, HURRR.'

Thanks.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, having played NY161 with me, do you still think me wagon hopping on a whim is a scumtell?

Yes.

Not my fault you exhibit scummy behavior.

[Ms Marangal]

Does he really? why?

His comments tend to follow my line of thought.

I mean, the only real case I have on him is that RV outside of RVS and his admittance to active manipulation. is it really not that dependable scum-tell?

Nah, I manipulate people all the time as town. How do you think I get my way so often?

And RVs outside of RVS are just didn't-read-tells.

Goat and Mara

- Pretty sure you're both town so... lets play nice and lynch the scum.

I really don't believe that Goat is town though...

the thing is though, you are scum. one way or another, I'm going to get the evidence to prove that I'm right, hell I'll probably even find out who your buddies are in the process. right now, I'm leaning KoC and maybe Mac. you state that you suspect them, but you never have once put to much pressure on them, Mac more specifically. I mean, you can easily live without all your partners right?

Pedit: yes I did, I can't die so there's no inherent danger in doing what I did

:blank stare:

Well, then, this should prove amusing.

...and you're aware I was VOTING KoC before I voted for you, right? I was thinking about accusing him of stuff he didn't do to aggravate him, but you've cornered that market pretty well.

I beg of you to do what you say you're going to do, because I like apologies from crazy people. I'll be easy to find.

unvote

until morning.

and I didn't claim cop... I said they can't work if I'm dead... besides, there's always the possibility of GF

[The Goat]

I really don't believe that Goat is town though...

Yes. Everyone knows. I've explained my actions to you as clearly as is humanly possible multiple times. In doing so, I've taken away time from scum-hunting, which you then pointed at as another scum-tell. I no longer have any interest in trying to placate you. You've developed tunnel vision. I am not scum. Proceed as you wish.

and I didn't claim cop... I said they can't work if I'm dead... besides, there's always the possibility of GF

I understand your post. My concern is that you pseudo-claimed a town role for reasons I cannot imagine. I understand that you cannot be NK. I'd recommend that you do not reveal any more of your role mechanic. But, it's pretty evident that you don't listen to me, so do whatever the heck ya want.

[The Goat]

Goat and Mara - Pretty sure you're both town so... lets play nice and lynch the scum.

After rereading the last few pages, I'm getting the same feeling about you and AP.

[The Goat]

Thegoat, what do you think of AN's case on mac, and why aren't you on that wagon?

I'm assuming you're referring to his early read on Mac's overreaction to Bork's post. I saw it similarly. I am not on that wagon because I don't feel as strongly about that as I do about KoC being scum.

I'll be phone posting for the rest of the day as I can; may check in very late. Apparently my workplace's Websense filter dislikes Mafiascum.net.

It wasn't really an over reaction though, it was me pondering bork's opinion and offering my own.

I actually missed out a couple of words meaning it looked like I was accusing GIF of being scum

. I would never class him as scum straight off the bat from that, but his question would be, in my eyes,

more likely

to come from scum than town.

This post makes me feel worse about you, not better. Can you unpack the bolded part for me? Pretend that I'm not only stupid, but also uncaffeinated.

[Amethyst Actor]

I claimed because I believe that being alive is pretty important. I don't intend to say anything more then what I have already said.

I can leave you alone for now...

Meanwhile, I want KoC to post. he clearly believed that he contributed to early discussions when his posts really didn't... I want to hear what he thinks he contributed so far

[Ms Marangal]

I claimed because I believe that being alive is pretty important. I don't intend to say anything more then what I have already said.

I can leave you alone for now...

Meanwhile, I want KoC to post. he clearly believed that he contributed to early discussions when his posts really didn't... I want to hear what he thinks he contributed so far

>.>

[Slandaar]

Seriously, AA, use that little brain of yours and think through what us willing to 1v1 Messia when indeed multiple people have put us on a scum list actually means. What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?

I shall explain it;

By agreeing to it Cryo wants people to think exactly what he just said ie 'What does it gain scum-us to be in a 1v1 situation when we are on multiple people's scum lists yet have (had) 1 total vote?'.

The fact of the matter is as town you should never need to try to manipulate reads on you just post content and be town. Which is why this comes from scum as they are trying to manipulate reads.

Also (as AP said); why would town ever agree to a 1v1 with someone they don't have a read on? it really makes no sense.

And Qwints point is very good also.

So;
KoC looks like scum, Qwints might actually be town. I also am currently thinking on Mollies hydra I might be wrong there some of the recent posting seems like scum.

Majiffy Cryo's #1 buddy might have something on AP, his defense was pretty terrible 'WHY ME??? WHY NOT THIS GUY OR THIS??? WHY YOU FOCUS ON ME???'

Anyways;
Please just lynch Cryo, he will flip scum. And; I should have more time for this game this weekend.

[Slandaar]

In fact I am fairly sure Mollie is just Cryos buddy;

Okay. Why don't you interact with him to force a slip or a scummy comment instead of hanging back allowing the time to come?

also how long are you planning on staying away from cryo

I am almost certain Mollie KNOWS Cryo is scum.

Cryo first though, Cryo first.

[Slandaar]

let me explain it more;
518 only has one outcome; Cryo is scum, instead of saying 'why not interact with him to get a better read' its 'why not interact with him to find out hes scum'

the second quote is a kind of preemptive accusation that they are buddies. Its some weird kind of attack but it really reads again like she knows that Cryo is scum. a bit like 'nananana im on cryo and you're not'

This Cryo lynch is really good

See it done town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

My bad, I kinda have a life outside of MS. (No but for real I have a month until my major deadline for my last year of university so, y'know.)

I claimed because I believe that being alive is pretty important. I don't intend to say anything more then what I have already said.

I can leave you alone for now...

Meanwhile, I want KoC to post. he clearly believed that he contributed to early discussions when his posts really didn't... I want to hear what he thinks he contributed so far

That seems kinda a reach for this early in a game... I don't even particularly like meta cases at any point in a game, but this early just feels somewhat off.
@Angelius: have both heads posted, or is this just Arc/just Nero so far?

So you don't like meta cases, which are mostly completely subjective anyway, and, in addition, bork's meta case feels "off"? Like, he shouldn't be able to produce it, or he produced it badly, or he's wrong, or you want him to think he's wrong?

I think presenting a meta case at any point in a game is silly because a competent player is perfectly capable of manipulating their own meta and recognising their own playstyles. However I'm willing to accept that other people consider it valid scumhunting.
That said, pushing a meta case on a hydra is especially difficult unless both heads are signing off their posts with which head is doing the talking, and doing so this early in a game, when most people are still, to put it simply, shitposting/RVSing, is, yes, "off" to me.
Ideally, I'd like to know which head is posting from our hydras at all times, but especially in this case since bork's suggestion is based on only one head of that particular hydra. I'd also prefer if he came back to doing meta reads later in the game when everyone has a substantive body of posting, which we don't have right now.

but Jiffy...there's like thread content? Why did you not comment?

Because after page 3 my eyes glazed over. I abhor RVS.

What content? Unless you're talking about Mastin's miller claim, which is a non-event, as far as I'm concerned.

@Jiffy, but it's not the weekend. >.>

My weekend extends until Tuesday morning on account of the fact that I work Sat + Sun mornings, and Mon evening.

...

Unvote:
Vote: Majiffy

If you're honestly going to say that we're still in RVS... well, here's some more evidence to the contrary.

When you notice that there's actually a WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIT HAPPENING instead of just dismissing the people voting you as "idiots" or being snarky, and actually start contributing to the game (assuming what you contribute is actually useful, pro-town stuff), I'll reconsider my vote. Until then? You're doing nothing to help move the game along which does nothing but distract from finding actual scum (if you're town and this is just you being a VI), and producing zero active scumhunting of your own, which means you're either a retard (no bueno) or scum (similarly no bueno).

I freely admit I haven't been posting much since p. 13~ when you all went off on this huge explosion of bullshit, but arguing that I didn't contribute to early discussion is kinda a lie.
Would love to hear exactly where all these strong scumreads are coming from btw. Slandaar has never mentioned me except to put me on "probably scum" on a list and then re-iterate that; The Goat accuses me of being scum based on #201 "building a case out of nowhere", which is kinda horseshit since at that point in the game Majiffy was insisting that nothing was happening and playing generally anti-town, something qwints noted was a perfectly valid feeling at this point in the game; and PeregrineV has contributed even less than I had and is still yet to offer any rebuttal to my #201.

Also, re: Majiffy

Tempted to jump on KoC wagon because OMGUS, but Messiah wagon looks promising.

This post is basically saying "I want to throw my vote on this one guy for no valid reason (the definition of OMGUS involves literally no reason but me voting him), but I'm gonna make my also unreasoned willingness to jump on the Messiah wagon (and later do so at the prompting of Pigeon) known so I can point back to it".

In fact, there's a lot of Majiffy/Pigeon interaction that stinks of buddying/prompting.

KoC might be scum hiding behind an easy policy vote. Discuss?

I was thinking a similar notion.

Tempted to jump on KoC wagon because OMGUS, but Messiah wagon looks promising.

This is literally the only mention Majiffy makes of Messiah - as I've previously stated, it's not a case, it's just "yeah, I'll bandwagon that if someone starts her rolling properly...

So, who has a scumread on Messiah, raise your hands. Because I think Slandaar, me, mastin, Nero, Majiffy have all talked about that now. Lets lynch Messiah.

And just like that...

Hokay.

VOTE: Messiah

The AP/Majiffy interaction 632 onwards also feels incredibly forced, somewhat like "oh shit we've been working really close time to quickly distance" forced.
Also, Marangal, that is the most utterly stupid thing I have seen someone do on Day 1 of a game - regardless of alignment, which I'm still not sure of - since I joined this site. Congrats.

[Slandaar]

Deliver to:
KoC
Gears of War Mafia
Mafia Scum

Hi Scum

Please bus Cryo

Many thanks
Slandaar and the rest of the town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Still waiting for you to actually present a case of any kind bro~

[Slandaar]

lol

One sec, I will get right on that!

[Mac]

Thegoat, what do you think of AN's case on mac, and why aren't you on that wagon?

I'm assuming you're referring to his early read on Mac's overreaction to Bork's post. I saw it similarly. I am not on that wagon because I don't feel as strongly about that as I do about KoC being scum.

I'll be phone posting for the rest of the day as I can; may check in very late. Apparently my workplace's Websense filter dislikes Mafiascum.net.

It wasn't really an over reaction though, it was me pondering bork's opinion and offering my own.

I actually missed out a couple of words meaning it looked like I was accusing GIF of being scum

. I would never class him as scum straight off the bat from that, but his question would be, in my eyes,

more likely

to come from scum than town.

This post makes me feel worse about you, not better. Can you unpack the bolded part for me? Pretend that I'm not only stupid, but also uncaffeinated.

Okay, my post:

Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest, scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

Pedit: Yeah I know, I glossed over the ninja posts by accident.

It

should've

said "more likely scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town."

It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a scumread - hence why it hasn't been pushed, which is the base of Nero's case against me being scum. Hence my confusion of why there's a case on me (which, by the way, I can understand now.) It wasn't intended to be taken as "GIF IS SCUM LYNCH!!!" or else I would've pushed it harder.

And it is also pure coincidence GIF happened to be my RVS.

UNVOTE:

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.7

[L-10]

Colonel Guile:

Bitmap

[L-10]

Messiah:

CryoNudist

[L-11] Slandaar:

[L-6]

CryoNudist:

Slandaar, borkjerfkin, AngryPidgeon, qwints, mastin2

[L-11] Angelious Nero:

[L-10]

PirateCat:

havingfitz

[L-11] Borkjerfkin:

[L-10]

Majiffy:

Knight of Cydonia

[L-8]

AngryPidgeon:

Colonel Guile, Majiffy, Angelous Nero

[L-11] The Goat:

[L-11] Mac:

[L-9]

Approximately Normal Guy:

Messiah, GuyInFreezer

[L-11] Ms Marangal:

[L-11] Bitmap:

[L-11] Jal:

[L-10]

Knight of Cydonia:

PeregrineV

[L-10]

mastin2:

Jal

[L-11] PeregrineV:

[L-11] qwints:

[L-11] havingfitz:

[L-10]

GuyinFreezer:

Approximately Normal Guy

Not Voting

• Ms Marangal, PirateCat, The Goat, Mac

Deadline

• April 2, 2013

Mod Notes

• GuyInFreezer is V/LA ( should be ending today )
  
• Mastin2 is V/LA for a while
  
• Bitmap is V/LA until the 25th ( Monday )
  
• Havingfitz is V/LA until the 25th ( Monday )
  
• qwints is also apparently V/LA
  
• A lot of people are on V/LA, BAJESUS

[Venmar]

I have never seen so much flavour before

We need to get to page 2 it is annoying scrolling for 5 hours to read a random vote.

- Teehee. I'll take this as a challenge

[GuyInFreezer]

o/

Catching up and whatnot. If you have any questions you wanna ask, feel free.

[AngryPidgeon]

@Slandaar: Really? Im not even being accused of anything. Majiffy has said Cryo is prob town and my vote on him was scum on town. For....switching my vote and trying to organize a compromise lynch.

You agreeith his points on me? Which he admits are 100% predicated on a cryo townflip?

[Slandaar]

I don't care about the vote switching

I do care about the way you were all 'oh but these votes what about these?!'

[AngryPidgeon]

There was nothing to defend myself from. Really, go look and read the context. Im frustrated because I see a wagon on me forming for literally no provided reason. I try to talk to majiffy/nero but Nero IS doing exactly what I said despite not knowing it and majiffy was just an ass back when I tried to talk to him. So yes, im pissed and not sure what to say.

Majiffy SHOULD know better than this. Nero is nero.

[GuyInFreezer]

mastin, would you mind giving me some flavor since you've already claimed? I have a good reason, I promise.

I realize you do, but I have a good reason for not.

I don't feel like revealing my flavor at this time would be best. How 'bout this:

two days before lylo

, I reveal my flavor?
Or maybe if you don't like that, a hard deadline: on day three, I reveal?

I realize I'm not getting away with not claiming flavor 'til lylo, but at this time I don't think it would be beneficial to do so.

How would you know when is two days before lylo? Do we have a defined number of scums? 'Cause I don't know how many of them are out there.