Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

[Venmar]

Not everyone gets juicy roles, and I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that his death would prevent us from voting and lynching, I would quit on life because if that would be the case, all hope in humanity and setup balancing would be lost.

[Majiffy]

Which one?

I want to hear your explanation first.

[Axxle]

Not everyone gets juicy roles, and I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that his death would prevent us from voting and lynching, I would quit on life because if that would be the case, all hope in humanity and setup balancing would be lost.

"Fight against the dragons" was all we got from him and presumably all he knows about, I was just pressing the point that it's vague, not that it will actually do those things.

[CryoChemist]

Someone had to bus CooLDog.....

Axxle, jon_h61, Maestro, pirate mollie: Do you agree or disagree with this and why?

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Maestro [4]

- CryoNudist, BBmolla, Majiffy, jon_h61

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CryoNudist [2]

- Venmar, Maestro

BBmolla [1]

- Aj the Epic

Axxle [1]

- pirate mollie

Venmar [1]

- Axxle

[pirate mollie]

are you guys wanting me to hammer him or not

and no I do not always follow majiffy cos he is sometimes wrong. you should see our hydra, we argue all of the time. chickflip is dying to see our qt in the game he is gming but we don't have one we just IM each other.

eta: cryo, he flailed a bit earlier and I think it is town flail cos I am leaning town on him. I thought I saw a slip earlier but his exchanges with majiffy afterwards look relaxed. I have played with

[pirate mollie]

okay didn't finish my thoughts there. I am multitasking,

should read:

eta: cryo, he flailed a bit earlier and I think it is town flail cos I am leaning town on him. I thought I saw a slip earlier but his exchanges with majiffy afterwards look relaxed. I have played with him lots of times and what you have

is

a weak meta read. he does have some tells though. I have played with maestro lots of times he was the IC in my newbie game and I drove him batshit crazy and made him meltdown. I am a hardcore data meta miner, as in, I keep spreadsheets on players that interest me or I am in a lot of games with. I keep track of little things that I pick up on and build a solid base of patterns in or in to pick alignment motivation so that I can relative tells for people make sense? maestro has a spreadsheet and I started one on you and I all I can say is I never data mined a hydra before so this ought to be interesting.

also I got some good advice and to not reveal so much of how scum hunt in games (as in revealing meta) cos scum will modify their games and he was right cos he was scum and I gave him a town read. so no I want be stating in the game thread what those tells but I feel comfortable saying that if maestro were scum I think he would have self-hammered by now.

[pirate mollie]

Someone had to bus CooLDog.....

Axxle, jon_h61, Maestro, pirate mollie: Do you agree or disagree with this and why?

I would say probably so.

[pirate mollie]

cryo where did you go

[Majiffy]

You scared him away.

[CryoChemist]

Sorry, real life and all. Will be back later tonight. Will talk to other head as well.

[Venmar]

Elaborate. I see a pretty clear line with Maestro's role and an already claimed role.

- I meant it as in CooLDog probably claimed mason encryptor because he learned that fuzzy was a mason, so he thought he could slip through our fingers by claiming a random or "off the wall" role such as encryptor, after finding out there is a mason group.

I DONT see a similar connection that Maestro could've made to formulate his own claim unless you're trying to hint that ANG's "Hunter" role could've been some kind of a killing role and Maestro claimed accordingly.

[Axxle]

Elaborate. I see a pretty clear line with Maestro's role and an already claimed role.

- I meant it as in CooLDog probably claimed mason encryptor because he learned that fuzzy was a mason, so he thought he could slip through our fingers by claiming a random or "off the wall" role such as encryptor, after finding out there is a mason group.

I DONT see a similar connection that Maestro could've made to formulate his own claim unless you're trying to hint that ANG's "Hunter" role could've been some kind of a killing role and Maestro claimed accordingly.

I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.

[Axxle]

Someone had to bus CooLDog.....

Axxle, jon_h61, Maestro, pirate mollie: Do you agree or disagree with this and why?

"Had to" is too strong a word, but it is most likely.

[CryoChemist]

PM: Alright, we are calling for the hammer darling.

Let's look at some facts (with a sprinkle of logic).

1. The more we think about it, the longer Maestro is alive, the more it points to Maestro being scum. Looking at ANG's mis-lynch, he went from 1 vote to 7 votes in less than 24 hours. Maestro has been at L-1 for 7 full days. Again, barring BOTH remaining scum already being on the wagon, we are of the opinion scum would have found a way to hammer by now without looking scummy for doing it.

2. The talk about how CD came up with a fake claim based off of AJ's claim and Maestro's not being the same is just tarded. A hunter flipped and we know that a hunter isn't VT. Hell, it's how we caught CD. Whether a hunter is a cop or vig or some other finding/killing dragons role, it's a PR and it sounds active. It's not a stretch to think Maestro used that flip to come up with his claim just like CD used AJ's to come up with his.

3. In conjunction to point 2, if Maestro really had such a similar role to CD and he was actually town, it wouldn't cause him to believe CD's claim. In fact, it would do the opposite and cause him to

disbelieve

the claim since it's so similar to his. Think of it this way, if you were a Cop and someone being wrung up to be lynched claimed Gunsmith, you'd immediately call bullshit...not sit there and go 'I believe it since my role is very similar'...

4. Post 715 is straight up AtF

If Maestro does flip dragon, Axxle will be off our list due to Maestro's p718 where he basically went, 'LOOK OVER THERE GUYS...LOOK, LOOK'.

[Maestro]

except I won't flip Dragon, you sonuvufuckface

1. WIFOM - Scum can and do find ways to hammer without looking Scummy, and they'd find ways to hold a mislynch at L-1 to drag out Town's morale and shit themselves laughing when it's all over. trust me, I've done it before in the very worst way (No-Killed in a Newbie and set them up for continuous NL during the day - dragged on for several Day phases and almost got a mislynch for a win in MyLo. I'm not lying)

2. right, because I'm idiot enough to come up with a stupid fakeclaim based on EXACTLY the same principles as my Scumpartner AFTER I PUBLICLY CONNECTED MYSELF with said partner BECAUSE OF HIS OWN FAKECLAIM, WHICH I ALSO SAID I BELIEVED. if I'm a half-decent Scumplayer, which I like to believe about myself (sometimes), then that's absolutely the last thing I would do

I've only successfully gotten away with an "off-the-wall/flavor-accurate" fakeclaim in an ongoing game, so I have no meta on that but your point is fucking bullshit and I think even you know it

3. what I think and what you think are completely fucking different you shithead - don't you DARE tell me what I should and shouldn't be thinking and don't you DARE tell me how I should or shouldn't be reacting to things that happen in this game. I've said I'm not paying rapt attention, I've said my play's been bad, I fully anticipate Uber making me feel all shitty in Endgame or in the Dead QT because he recently (lovingly) criticized me for similar behavior after a Newbie I replaced into. this isn't your show, and it's not mine - it's everybody's

so get your head out of Majiffy's ass, make a SUBSTANTIAL case on me without using CD interactions or a fucking flowchart, STOP lining up lynches or anticipating a Dragon flip you know won't come, and start playing the game like it's meant to be fucking played

God knows I'll try doing the same from this point on because I'm not taking this lying down

[Venmar]

@CryoNudist - Regardless if Maestro flips town or scum, can we both agree that someone on CD's wagon was scum?

Also, for the record, if Maestro flips scum I will immediately assume that CryoNudist is town, and will support the BBMola lynch. If Maestro flips town, then CryoNudist is probably scum.

[Maestro]

also I'm VERY wary at this point - what're the odds of more than 2 Scum remaining?

because I think it's highly plausible at least one of them is on each side of this

the one point of DracoNudist's that I agree with is that my mislynch is different from ANG's

IF Venmar shows doubts later that I'm Town after this much of a whiteknight attempt on D3, he should be seriously looked into
Aj/Molla's basic non-presence is becoming both annoying and unhelpful, ditto Axxle's uncertainty/fence-sitting/whatever-the-fuck-he's-doing

I'm revising previous statements: any Town on my wagon and it MIGHT Jiffy for being TOTALLY himself and jon for being SUCH a blatant sheepshit
Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV - if he ever flips Town Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

other than that mollie's probTown, just because yeah she would've probably hammered me by now as Scum

[Maestro]

also, yes I agree that CoolDog was prob-bussed

[CryoChemist]

@CryoNudist - Regardless if Maestro flips town or scum, can we both agree that someone on CD's wagon was scum?

Also, for the record, if Maestro flips scum I will immediately assume that CryoNudist is town, and will support the BBMola lynch. If Maestro flips town, then CryoNudist is probably scum.

Logic says yes, but it's not foolproof.

Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

We at least agree with this in the event that you flip town.

[CryoChemist]

Yeah, Jiffy isn't a dragon with CD. If he is, the following is masterful distancing.

Spoiler:

I think that majjify is scummy for pushing so hard on the wagon, then getting caught out on it and backing off.

Caught out on what, exactly?

Are you even reading this game?

your bullshit justifications don't interest me.

What makes them bullshit?

And if my reasons don't interest you, does that mean you're town tunneling or scum sidelining a vote for the day? Answer with haste, please. I'd like to know if I'm filing you away as idiot or retard for the rest of the day.

My read of you is

completely independent

of any reasons for unvote that you can give. You do realize that one can fake reasons to unvote, right? So file me down under retard.

Then please elaborate on your impressive case, because all you've offered is "ERMAGEHRD HE UNVOTED LOLZORZ WAT A SCUMBUT!!!!"

I'll wait.

Majiffy thoughts on CooLDog?

Working on that.

The case in brief. Keep in mind that this is day 1 and only what, 10 pages in.
Push quick lynch for shit reasons (He is annoying)
Stay on quick lynch for long time
Town doesn't like quick lynch
Immediately jump off wagon.

That is the case. Not the strongest in the world, but for d1 page 5 or whatever, I think it is pretty good.

Only problem is your lynchpin relies on 3 causing 4. When I've given reasons for 4, that you're patently ignoring because it ruins your entire case.

So you can take your vote off me, dipshit.

And as I said you have lied about 4 so yeah.

Prove it.

You can't convince me that your reasons are legit. Simple as that. Don't even try.

I feel like this is on par with the religious fanatics that say because you can't prove (?) evolution, it isn't true...

look at bb and tell me why we shouldn't push his wagon.

Because I like Molla enough to not bother actually trying to read him until later phases of the game.

stop defending yourself all the time and scum hunt, majiffy.

If you pulled your head out of your ass and looked at the things that aren't involving you, you'd realize that I

am

scumhunting.

Also I feel no need to convince you that I'm town. Why are you trying to hold a townread over my head like a dog treat?

Probably because CoolDog is a scumbutt pushing a pissant case.

[CryoChemist]

Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV - if he ever flips Town Jiffy should be looked at for sitting back and letting him do all the work of my mislynch for him

Since we know we are town and we highly doubt Jiffy is scum with CD, what else you got? Pretend for a moment that you believe we are town and Jiffy wasn't masterfully distancing himself from CD D1 and is town as well, who would be scum of those left?

[CryoChemist]

Damn it all.... This head isn't sure scum Maestro posts "Cryo is almost certainly Scum, esp from my PoV" as scum in the face of being hammered. This comment alone, if he flipped scum, would pretty much confirm us as town which wouldn't benefit his team....

Need to talk to the other head to see if he thinks this is a grasping at straws scum comment or a more likely town comment. This head is unsure cuz this head has been in his position as town and responded similarly. Add in PM's thoughts on how scum Maestro would act and this head is very unhappy about not being as strong on it's read on Maestro being scum as it was before....

For now, disregard the request for hammer PM....

[CryoChemist]

Jiffy, what are your thoughts on recent events?

[pirate mollie]

except I won't flip Dragon, you sonuvufuckface

1. WIFOM - Scum can and do find ways to hammer without looking Scummy, and they'd find ways to hold a mislynch at L-1 to drag out Town's morale and shit themselves laughing when it's all over. trust me, I've done it before in the very worst way (No-Killed in a Newbie and set them up for continuous NL during the day - dragged on for several Day phases and almost got a mislynch for a win in MyLo. I'm not lying)

2. right, because I'm idiot enough to come up with a stupid fakeclaim based on EXACTLY the same principles as my Scumpartner AFTER I PUBLICLY CONNECTED MYSELF with said partner BECAUSE OF HIS OWN FAKECLAIM, WHICH I ALSO SAID I BELIEVED. if I'm a half-decent Scumplayer, which I like to believe about myself (sometimes), then that's absolutely the last thing I would do

I've only successfully gotten away with an "off-the-wall/flavor-accurate" fakeclaim in an ongoing game, so I have no meta on that but your point is fucking bullshit and I think even you know it

3. what I think and what you think are completely fucking different you shithead - don't you DARE tell me what I should and shouldn't be thinking and don't you DARE tell me how I should or shouldn't be reacting to things that happen in this game. I've said I'm not paying rapt attention, I've said my play's been bad, I fully anticipate Uber making me feel all shitty in Endgame or in the Dead QT because he recently (lovingly) criticized me for similar behavior after a Newbie I replaced into. this isn't your show, and it's not mine - it's everybody's

so get your head out of Majiffy's ass, make a SUBSTANTIAL case on me without using CD interactions or a fucking flowchart, STOP lining up lynches or anticipating a Dragon flip you know won't come, and start playing the game like it's meant to be fucking played

God knows I'll try doing the same from this point on because I'm not taking this lying down

link plz to the game where you dragged out lynches

were you the only scum left?