Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[MP5]

I'm confused - stop ninja'ing me!

[Mutleyddmc]

we are observing and collecting results. now hurry before they see you.

[theslimer3]

MP5, you've played with me before. Have you ever seen me play seriously? Just curious.

And as for the whole voting Mutt, what do you mean it's lyching scum? Are you implying my vote to Mutt, or your vote to me?

[Mutleyddmc]

why aren't you behind the wall slimer. shhhhhhhhhhhh

[theslimer3]

If I go back there, I won't be able to see anything D:<

[Mutleyddmc]

wait‼‼ you don't take this game seriously? get him xiao that's clearly an anti-town thing to do. Oh whats that you can't see anyone but me? ok nothing to see here. I'm not behind this wall

[Mutleyddmc]

I've cut eye holes its fine.

[theslimer3]

Of course I'm taking it seriously, I wouldn't have signed up as an IC if I wouldn't have /).-

And even eyeholes can't see through JUSTICE

[Mutleyddmc]

So now you are a liar. Go xiao go...........

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.10

Mutleyddmc (3) - Voodoo Lady, Xiao Long, theslimer3
Xiao Long (2) - Spadille, Mutleyddmc
MP5 (1) - KingPin96
theslimer3 (1) - MP5
Xegarus (1) - Didi

Not Voting (1) - Xegarus

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[MP5]

I'm implying your "the results are complex" line makes no sense. Not in a scummy way, in a silly way. What do you mean by that?

No, the only time we played together (briefly) was in micro 106 I think it was, masons and Mafia. You got run up to L-1, didn't shoot which proved you were town, then you replaced out. Scum went on to win because despite me pegging one of them bad, I was a mason and got shot by his partner, then town derped at the end suffice to say I didn't get enough of a chance to witness your play style much.

That's a little irrelevant though. You've chosen to take on the IC position. Your job here is basically to show "this is how its done here" by your example. There are many ways to do that, but being v/la for the most part then voting without explanation isn't a great example IMO. I might get to explaining what's scummy about it later.

P-edit: wtf is going on here ...

[MP5]

Micro 107, just double checked ...

[theslimer3]

My personal reason to become V/La is none of your or anyone else's concern.
And the replace out of that game as well.

Maybe I did have a bit of an extended break, but IC aside, it's out of my control.
As an IC, tbh I'm not sure how I'm doing this game. Maybe bad, but ill still scumhunt and play as I normally would as I would to my fullest.
But as any player, I'm never completely serious. But that doesn't mean my non-seriousness isn't hidden hunting.

What was I getting at here....?

@Mutt: I'm going to neuter you e.e

[MP5]

That's why I coupled the "being v/la" with the "voting without reason" part. V/la in and of itself is completely fine and completely null, and could even potentially be a good example to newbies of how to properly catchup once you do get back. Instead, when you do return, is there any apology? Some. Any effort to catch up? Hmm, a wall hidden in spoilers I found hard to follow. But the vote itself is pretty awful, I just want some explaining done here.

I'm not holding anything against you except what you have said in this game.

[Mutleyddmc]

Surely only a mafia would be evil enough to neuter someone. Especially one who has already been neutered

[theslimer3]

So simply because you couldn't follow my catch up, it's useless?
And instead of asking about parts you didn't know, you simply ignored it. Maybe you don't care enough about my view on the game, but you could have at least asked to "catch me not knowing what I'm talking about", as scum often does get away with when analyzing someone/something.

And how you say I made no effort to catch up makes me really really think you didn't gI've that spoiler 3 seconds of your time.

[MP5]

OK, lets play this game, you've asked for it Let's take a look at your catchup, shall we? (my words/thoughts in bold)

I went through a lot of this with a hella lot of different thoughts throughout the whole ordeal, so I'll do my best to capture the things that stuck out to me and say what I was thinking there.

Since it's the quotes could flood the page, I'll put it all in a spoiler.

spoiler tag removed

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

You're hinting pretty much the whole way that you're a PR, but you're not willing to claim because it's a lie? Sounds like a scum claim really.

OK, so by here, you're suspicious of Muttley. Cool. Nothing more to it than that.

I believe this is policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

*snip*

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

also you are being very noobish your self in thinking that me claiming VT means I am scum. If I was scum I'd have claimed power role. It would likely have saved me for at least one day. If not it would have got that PR to have to counter the claim. Giving vital info to the other scum.

Some scum can't handle being a fake PR because they fear that a cop or someone would discover them. And he's not being noobish, get use to being over analyzed if you want to play this game. It's the only way to get the truth. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it gets the wrong person lynched. In your case, he may be on to something, because you indeed WERE hinting PR.

Not so cool. Now, you're looking for the scum-motivation in claiming VT, or at least trying to discredit the town-motivation in it. Vaguely throwing around suspicion without being decisive about it. Is Muttley scum because of it - yes or no?

Ive said why I am accepting it. I don't care for being the first one lynched because you guys can hopefully get some info from the last few hours exchange. plus someone has to go its only a game.

UNVOTE:
I like you.

A pull off like this seems a bit odd from my angle.
Especially when you're pressing like you were, and how his reactions did not seem so great, you end your pursuit. Could this possibly be merciful scum?
Rare, but nonetheless a strategy.

Again, not cool. Vague suspicion on Xeg. You think what he did would be rare for scum to do? Fine. Is he scum because of it? Yes or no. Stop throwing vague suspicion around.

I don't particularly like how you think his reactions are townish though when I found them to be quite scummy actually. Would you mind sharing so we can be on the same page?

Hmm, I thought he already did. Mind sharing why you think they are scummy? And, do you want to be on the same page with someone who should supposedly be of unknown alignment to you? I'm not surprised that Xeg would ignore this question.

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

Oh? Could you have this perspective because you yourself are mafia?

Lynch this already. He is actively trying to determine players' alignments, and you are throwing vague suspicion his way? When IMO, at that point of the game he was possibly the most pro-townie player?

Who doesn't like being scum? Well I'm sure there's some. But as this place is called mafiascum I'm sure most sign up to games hoping to be scum (I sure did). Then a PR then town.

I actually don't. I use to love it, but now it's a drag to have xD

IIoA. Is this game a drag to you?

I believe this is policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

*snip*

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

Did you... Did you mean for that to be a haiku..?

Did you... Did you mean for that to be meaningful...?

I meant to say that I had misjudged an IC before and although you are a null tell i will always have this one game in mind. But I changed my mind a little bit over this the last days. (About my english, if somebody thinks my bad english is hurting the game I will ask to be replaced. I want to enjoy this and so do you all. I don’t want to burden you all because I think I can get better in english while playing)

Oh, no no, buddy, don't worry about replacing out! Just proof read a little before you send. It can be rather hard for people to know what you're saying if you don't say it correctly, but it's not a disruption xD

Ok, you say goodbye. That's nice.

Yes Fsnake the scum or at least one is likely to be hiding in the midst knowing that I would be an easy lynch. Which is why I am very much looking at Kingpin. He was around but never voted me even though he thinks I am scum or anti-town. Maybe because he knows I am going to flip town and therefore won't be looked at too much after cos he wasn't on the wagon.

This appears to be your main argument. And for that, I'd say you're probably town for that. Because noob scum wouldn't use this.

Here! This! slimer says that Muttley is "probably town"!!

(sorry for the pinkishness, I wanted straight red but I thought it might be a little close to the mod's colour)

#98

>Initially thinks MP5 is just reation hunting by using crappy logic.
>Votes him anyway

#55
Also:

>Knows what a pressure vote is and how it helps.
>Still thinks FSnake is scummy for voting for pressure.

This story stops once he was called out. An interesting reaction.

#113 and #120
These posts tells us a story of how our boy, Xiao Long, evolves. Even though he tells us that quickly jumping on wagons are scummy, he does so. With what reason? The same reason he keeps defending himself of, not scumhunting.

#125
125 is a story of Pontius Pilate washing his hands for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

All that fluff and it only looks like you're pressing for a bad reason. This honestly makes me think you're scum with your bad reasoning.

Decides Spadille is scummy for "bad reasoning". What about the reasoning is bad? It's vague suspicion again.

Pretty sure on of king pin or xiao are mafia. If not both.

VOTE:

xiao long

Mainly because he keeps calling everyone a cunt. Whereas at least kingpin is nice.

...

Thanks for the ellipsis. What does it mean? Especially since Muttley as of a few posts ago is your *only townread*

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself. Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me. Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.
Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

I honestly forgot my thoughts here.

That's helpful. I'll remind you then. You thought

Muttley was town

You blatantly stated the only reason you voted for me over Kingpin was because I called you a cunt. This means you voted for me because I called you a cunt. While it may be true that me and Kingpin are equally scummy in your eyes, the point still stands that you only voted me over him because I called you a cunt. If you wanted me to think your vote was legit, you should probably have left that part out of it.

Here's the thing, I may not be playing the way people expect me to, but I'm STILL PLAYING. YOU, on the other hand, were ignoring everything and NOT PLAYING AT ALL. Trolling isn't playing, it's trolling, and that's exactly what you were doing. So go fuck your pot/kettle analogy.

Calm it down a bit. o.o

Cool, nice IC'ing here. It's hidden away in spoilers so they might not see it, but you've stepped in and done your part. Now, where's the analysis?

And this changes everything, doesn't it? You assume you are the newest player? Boy, you literally claimed that you initially thinks he is 'reation hunting by using crappy logic'.

He should take some lessons from you then, ah?

...

Scums trying to fit in town, doing what town wants him to do and quickly changes. Strong scum tell.

Examples of this pls.

Who even wrote this? I'm not the least bit surprised that whoever you were asking this question to ignored you, as it's hidden in spoilers and doesn't address the person in question (I still don't even know who it is and am not going to be bothered going to look for it). Your catchup wall is wasted, weak, and if it was intended to express some great insights or pose great pressure, it has failed.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I did not. But you didn't, did you? Clearly after building up some tension with your exchange with MP5, you needed someone to 'scumhunt' and use as a scapegoat. Mutley would be perfect for you.

What? Mutley deserved that. We got the info we needed out of him. And even if it wasn't mutley, who? The art of scumhunting is attacking someone for information or luring them into a logical trap. Seeing as how we were pretty much fresh out of RVS pretty much, you couldn't really just attack the first person you saw and called them scum. As mafia or as town, that wouldn't make sense. So what are you talking about here?

Finally, something I can call "cool" again, but again, who is it to? Did you want them to address something, and can you blame them for not finding it/feeling compelled to respond to it?

Also, a quick warning for your scum-buddy. If you want to look like as if you are a town, please do not play this game by just defending yourself. Learn to town.

Stop using fallacy of "You're scum, so that's why you act this way" because it's NEVER a good way to find information. Always keep an open mind to the truth.

Agreed. Pat on the head. I actually 100% agree with you on this.

scummy behavior as just being his playstyle

Mind telling me exactly what scummy behaviour is?

@Mod, do you think you can contact slimer to see when his V/LA will end?

I told him it would be till next Christmas so you could have me as a gift

LOL.

Please ignore the first post, I accidently pressed send instead of preview e.e

So that's what I think of your wall. Not that it will do a whole lot of good, because it's too long and perhaps only you and I will read and analyse the whole thing. That's why I've highlighted in red(ish pink) the part where you say

Muttley is town

. You then go on to vote him 3 posts later, for no reason????

@slimer - what changed to make you think Muttley was scum? I haven't seen it, and have clearly stated my position on him. If you think you are right, then you will need to convince myself and also Xeg (as he is in the same boat).

Personally, I think you've scum slipped. Your wall was doing nothing but throw vague suspicion at multiple people (who you don't even pressure with any sort of meaningful question or analysis), you haven't given a single townread except for the one guy you are now voting, and you aren't committing to any other read or course of action. It's seriously scum-motivated to not want to clear anybody (as this narrows the field for mislynches), and also to create or foster suspicion among multiple players (to widen the field for mislynches).

Guys, I'm calling the scum team for now as slimer/Didi.

[Mutleyddmc]

Glad MP5 posted about that spoiler wall. I agree with most of it as I said before most of it wad fluff etc and MP5 has done a good job of proving it. However that doesn't mean I think Slimer is scum, just that it was fluff. However I never understood how Xiao put it as a gaining town points post‼

I've actually become less suspicious of xiao recently I just don't like him. So for that reason

UNVOTE:

Now it's between Didi and kingpin for my vote. I saw Didi lurking and not getting involved earlier which is part of the reason I have suspicions on Kingpin. So for now neither gets a vote until both have spoken again. (Doesn't need to defend themselves to me but just any post)

[theslimer3]

I'll rebreakdown your breakdown when I get on my pc later today, but id like to say that my vote on Mutt actually wasn't me calling him scum in the slightest. I was reaction testing him slightly. The main variable I was looking for was an OMGUS attack at me.
Mutts a bit of a center here so him reacting to my vote would pull in everyone else.
UNVOTE:

I'll probably go more in depth later when I'm not typing 1word a minute


Pedit: ...

[Equinox]

Xegarus has been prodded.

[Xegarus]

Sorry mod. I'm a little busy atm. V/LA till Tuesday.

Fixed tags. (Equinox)

[Xiao Long]

No I just didnt see any reason to shorten the word bad. You don't say F you. You say Fuck. So why shorten a 3 letter word.

So, yeah, you've only been speaking English for a day then. No wonder I can barely understand what the fuck you type.

Shame that you didn't lie about voodoo then and agree I might have taken my vote off you .

Quite frankly, I don't give a shit whether you vote for me or not.

Also again you are very tunnel visioned on me at the moment. You questioned me for voting you for calling me a cunt (amongst other reasons) yet you are happy for slimers vote I am guessing?

I'm not tunnel visioned. Just because I'm most vocal about you doesn't mean I'm not looking into others. And Slimer's vote made no sense to me, but apparently he was reaction testing. Not a very good reaction test, though, imo.

Certainly aren't losing your PKB name.

I still don't know what this means.

Surely only a mafia would be evil enough to neuter someone. Especially one who has already been neutered

Surely only mafia would be evil enough to post meaningless garbage that doesn't advance the game.

Glad MP5 posted about that spoiler wall. I agree with most of it as I said before most of it wad fluff etc and MP5 has done a good job of proving it. However that doesn't mean I think Slimer is scum, just that it was fluff. However I never understood how Xiao put it as a gaining town points post‼

Because not all of it was fluff, and he called spadille on his bullshit which I wouldn't expect scum to do.

I've actually become less suspicious of xiao recently I just don't like him. So for that reason

Good, I don't like you either. You're an idiot.

wait‼‼ you don't take this game seriously? get him xiao that's clearly an anti-town thing to do. Oh whats that you can't see anyone but me? ok nothing to see here. I'm not behind this wall

If you can't see the difference in Slimer's posts and yours, then there's really no hope for you.



@MP5: The argument that the people who haven't responded to slimer's spoiler because he didn't leave their names in is a bit off. I'm sure most people here, mutley excluded, are smart enough to know their own post when they see it.

[Xegarus]

VOTE: Sorry mod. I'm a little busy atm. V/LA till Tuesday.

.......I was supposed to bold that, now vote.
Mod, could you fix that?

[Mutleyddmc]

I love xiaos posts they are exactly what I expect her to right every time. Wish I was scum so I could kill her

[Xiao Long]

You mean what you expect to "hear"? And you mean which you were scum so you could kill "him"? It's not that difficult, Mutley. My gender is clearly stated underneath my avatar.

It's okay though, I always expect your posts to be absolutely fuckin' useless, condescending, and full of grammatical and spelling errors that make it a nightmare to decipher anything you say. I also expect you to never address anything and just shrug it off. Your continuous garbage posting have made it quite clear to me that even if you aren't mafia, you're useless to this game and you need to be lynched. And I pray to god I never get queued into another fuckin' game with you.