Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.13

theslimer3 (3) - MP5, frog, Didi
Mutleyddmc (2) - Voodoo Lady, Xiao Long
Xiao Long (1) - NicCage

Not Voting (3) - Xegarus, theslimer3, Mutleyddmc

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Xegarus is V/LA until March 26.

[frog]

Wow, that was longer than I thought.

@NicCage: do you think Xiao's forcefulness is his playstyle or do you think of it as more of a scumtell?
@Mutley, in response to 345: if this is so, can you tell us why you think Didi is scum? Do you have any scumreads that do not rely on inactivity?

[Mutleyddmc]

For didi refer to MP5s posts on him, at the time I had nothing feelings towards Didi. Then with MP5 pointing out things, couldn't beleive I had missed some of them. The good rubbing nature always trying to seem agreeable etc (hence why I had no suspicions on him it had worked on me) You can say oh but you are just following MP5 really. Well yes yes I am. Is that not the whole point of this game to work as a team. Thats why people make posts such as the ones you have done. To convince others of what you have seen, if we didn't follow in some way we would never get a lynch. Right now I'd be happy on Didi or slimer. Didi being my preference but a good case is building on slimer.

[Xiao Long]

Xiao is being equally antagonistic, in fact I'm pretty sure that he started part 2 of their argument by calling mutley a cunt. So why continue being disruptive?
It might be because of this post. It looks to me like Xiao might have been reacting to being called out on buddying by distancing himself further from Mutley.

That's a pretty big leap, and considering how others besides Mutley had fallen into the spotlight, wouldn't it make more sense for scum-me to go with the group?

However, if Mutley isn't scum, then I'd say that originally Xiao was trying to avoid responsibility for such an early mislynch

Because we were less than ten pages in, why would we hammer someone that early? (though, looking back, I wish we had)

I have, in fact, ISO'ed you and I've read every post you've made. I can in fact see that you withold things, and my issue is that you seem to withold everything. You leave everything open so that it can fit your story later if you need it to. I don't think you're scum from 'one little thing'; it comes from many things, some big and many small. I'm very confident in my read of you. You asked for facts and content, well, here it is.

I can tell you've ISO'd pretty much everyone, but have you read the interactions amongst the posts? The way you talk about certain things sounds like you only ISO'd which might give you the wrong impression. I'm not trying to say you're scummy for this, it's just more of a curiosity.

For didi refer to MP5s posts on him, at the time I had nothing feelings towards Didi. Then with MP5 pointing out things, couldn't beleive I had missed some of them. The good rubbing nature always trying to seem agreeable etc (hence why I had no suspicions on him it had worked on me) You can say oh but you are just following MP5 really. Well yes yes I am. Is that not the whole point of this game to work as a team. Thats why people make posts such as the ones you have done. To convince others of what you have seen, if we didn't follow in some way we would never get a lynch. Right now I'd be happy on Didi or slimer. Didi being my preference but a good case is building on slimer.

But Mutley, all you do is sheep. And half the time you don't even give your own reasoning for your votes. Just like here where you redirect to MP5's post.

[frog]

I have read the interactions between the posts, but as I have not gone through the game as you have I may have a few wrong impressions here and there. If anything in particular is a problem then raise it by all means and I'll look at it further.

[Mutleyddmc]

PKB you are so fucking lazy you cunt. You always ask people to repeat questions you've asked of them. Never do your own 2 second finding twat!

Am I doing an impression of xiao right? Minus the swearing it's still how I feel. Lazy bum. You've just sheeped to me and stayed. As my only scum read has been replaced and it meant my thoughts were unreliable. I am at the moment forced to sheep. As I said surely we have to sheep sometimes. Otherwise what's the point in posting. You would post stuff about me or whoever you thought was scummy if you weren't trying to convince people to sheep to your opinions. People right now have better reads that myself so if they make good arguments I'm happy to sheep. It's how we get a lynch. But other than me and I am an extremely easy target for someone. You don't seem to be contributing a whole lot to finding scum or agreeing with other people.

You on the other hand are so blind to anyone but me you don't really want to listen to anyone else but put your vote on me. That's fine you don't like me. Even though I think we are bert and ernie.

[Xiao Long]

I have read the interactions between the posts, but as I have not gone through the game as you have I may have a few wrong impressions here and there. If anything in particular is a problem then raise it by all means and I'll look at it further.

Oh no, it's nothing too bad. Just some of your comments sounded a little odd. Your reads seem pretty thought out, though.

You've just sheeped to me and stayed.

Except I didn't sheep you, you were derailing the game and I put you at L-1. Since then, you've done nothing to justify me taking my vote off you, so why should I?

As I said surely we have to sheep sometimes.

You could at least put forth a little effort to make it seem like you weren't ONLY sheeping.

You don't seem to be contributing a whole lot to finding scum or agreeing with other people.

I'm comfortable with my vote for day one. Once day two starts, I'm sure my contributions will increase quite a bit.

You on the other hand are so blind to anyone but me you don't really want to listen to anyone else but put your vote on me.

Just because I'm not being exceptionally vocal in my thoughts on other players, doesn't mean I'm not taking everything in. There's been several posts in the past few pages that I've agreed with heavily but chose not to speak on them.

[Mutleyddmc]

That's nice that you think just cos you are happy with your day 1 vote you shouldn't be trying to get information for the future.

I never say for you to take your vote off me you find me scummy keep it on, just try not to tunnel vision yourself.
Why would I put forth effort into a lie. That's what I'm doing get over it I don't lie.

I'm bored of you now PKB. From now on I expect no more interactions from us. They have bored me. Don't quote me I won't quote you etc. until day 2. If you don't die tonight.............

[Xiao Long]

That's nice that you think just cos you are happy with your day 1 vote you shouldn't be trying to get information for the future.

I guess this went over your head:

Just because I'm not being exceptionally vocal in my thoughts on other players, doesn't mean I'm not taking everything in.

And I'm not tunnel visioned on you, as I've already explained.

If you don't die tonight.............

#ScumSlips

[NicCage]

Wow, that was longer than I thought.

@NicCage: do you think Xiao's forcefulness is his playstyle or do you think of it as more of a scumtell?

I think it's more of a scumtell considering how long it has been going on. He understands that this behavior is anti-town since he called Mutley out on it, but continued to do it.

Xiao is being equally antagonistic, in fact I'm pretty sure that he started part 2 of their argument by calling mutley a cunt. So why continue being disruptive?
It might be because of this post. It looks to me like Xiao might have been reacting to being called out on buddying by distancing himself further from Mutley.

That's a pretty big leap, and considering how others besides Mutley had fallen into the spotlight, wouldn't it make more sense for scum-me to go with the group?

However, if Mutley isn't scum, then I'd say that originally Xiao was trying to avoid responsibility for such an early mislynch

Because we were less than ten pages in, why would we hammer someone that early? (though, looking back, I wish we had)

You're right, it is a big leap, because it requires both you and Mutley to be scum, which seems unlikely. Can you explain that point more? I don't really remember what I read that well yet.

I understand that, my point wasn't that it was scummy for you not to want Mutley lynched at that point. My point is that you are creating this big non-productive argument with Mutley and to me that argument seems to be the main basis for your vote on him.

[theslimer3]

K I'm done waiting to get to my pc to post a wall that 1 person would read (the person its to) and the rest seeing it as jjust what the other player said.

Phone posting this game now.


You both may want me lynched and you both may hate my muttley interactions and my conservative attitude, but you could at least hear it out rather than immediately calling it Scum.
I was webbing his reaction to everyone else. Thus made it... Well complex I guess >.>

I can't be vague anymore. Woe is me ;-;


And my youthful spirit resides in my hearts of all players I've affected thus far!
It just gets wore out when people misunderstand slimer or the game

[Didi]

What an extremely weak defense.
I do hope that if you were town you'd defend yourself better than that.

But I doubt you're town.

[theslimer3]

Weak defence to an attack to my weak suspicions. Sounds at least accurate, right?

[Didi]

[NicCage]

Yeah that doesn't make much sense.
MP5, if slimer is scum, who do you think his partner is?

[Xiao Long]

I think it's more of a scumtell considering how long it has been going on. He understands that this behavior is anti-town since he called Mutley out on it, but continued to do it.

Then ye be wrong, matey. arrrrr (I don't know why I am responding to this like a pirate)

You're right, it is a big leap, because it requires both you and Mutley to be scum, which seems unlikely. Can you explain that point more? I don't really remember what I read that well yet.

Wait, I'm confused, which would you like me to explain more?

I understand that, my point wasn't that it was scummy for you not to want Mutley lynched at that point. My point is that you are creating this big non-productive argument with Mutley and to me that argument seems to be the main basis for your vote on him.

Oh, I see. Nah, the argument only served to solidify my stance on Mutley, but I think I explained my reasons for voting for him before the argument. I could be wrong, I haven't looked in a while.
Anyways, if you want a run-down on why I'm voting for him:
1. Does nothing but derail the game and post absolutely nothing worthwhile for most of the game.
2. Sheeps everyone he can so that the pressure stays off him.
3. Is an asshole (okay, not a scum thing, I admit).
4. um..I had another reason but I can't remember right now. Oh well, one and two are enough for me.


As far as the slimer's weak defense whatever, I think he's saying that your accusations of him are so ridiculous that they don't warrant a proper response. Take from that what you will. I can't criticise him for that, cause I think I did something similar to MP5.

[theslimer3]

Yeah, id like to say English isnt my first language, but the reality is that I have a very poor way of explaining myself xD

Though sometimes it feels like I speak my own language

[NicCage]

I was confused about who was in the spot light and what.scum you would be going with.

Yeah I might be wrong, I could see it being playstyle, but with the exception of mutley sheeping your points against him are the same as they were before the fake hammer. It just looks suspicious to me.

[Equinox]

Mac replaces Xegarus. Thank you!

[Mac]

Hi guys!

Will catch up soon, after some lunch.

[NicCage]

Man it's like starting a new game

[Mac]

Did a quick recap and am going to explain some stuff I didn't like.

Spoiler: wall

Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

There something wrong with me 'coming to someones defence'? I saw your reason for being suspicious as a null tell and so i pointed it out. Would you rather i keep my mouth shut when i see something i dont agree with?

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.
But I'm not prohibiting you from talking, on the contrary, a silent town is a doomed town, so please, keep talking.

I am sticking a vote on you for now though because you're reacting overly defensive (in my eyes) to just a tiny bit of pressure.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xegarus



FSnake, whose side are you on?

Ok, I don't like this post. At all. Not only are townpeople likely to stick up for their townreads, but mafia will stick up for town to gain towncred/tie themselves in with town people. Just pointing it out, it's a bit flawed your logic.

Also you then target FSnake and ask what side he's on. what? why?

Maybe you didn't see it because it was at the bottom of my post, but I'll ask it again:

FSnake, whose side are you on?

Again, what? why?

It means the game will begin in full effect soon, my friend

slimer adding fuel to the flames of xega/xiao and somehow incorporating Fsnake into it. I'm not sure how or why Fsnake comes into this at all other than xiao asking him which side he's on. it's like he's trying to push the three of you into a battle he can watch from the side. If slimer flips scum, xiao is scum or all three are town I think. xiao is the only legit scum I'd consider because he brought Fsnake into it for nothing and then slimer continued the trend of having Fsnake into it.

Right there is never going to be a lot to go on day 1. Mafia unlikely to slip up as they will know who they are and be careful on what they say. Obviously. If I had to pick, I would go with a choice of 4 at the moment. The slimer. MP5, snake and kingpin. No real suspicious though, could have easily have just random generated those and got as good a guess.

I don't know why you picked four without suspicion here.

I put something out there straight away. Knowing it would be picked up on, but not said out loud. Which would mean the mafia wasted a kill if they picked up on it (therefore I have slightly helped the town) or this would happen they would pick up on it and be happy to get me lynched. You seem very eager for it so I'd happily say you were mafia now.

So you breadcrumbed a PR then retracted the fake claim? I don't like that, it's like you crumbed it as scum then retracted it for an excuse for Xeg (me) to be hammering you and try and flip suspicion onto him. don't do that if you are town, ever. You could be scum for that.

You thought you had ended it, you didn't realise your vote was already on me. You thought you had taken a power role out first day mr mafia.

A power role would have had more motivation to defend themselves and scumhunt. You have pretty much done neither.

I'm not a power role. I said he thought he had taken one out. also in previous games when being a power role surely scumhunting too much early on is more likely to make you a kill target and therefore you would be killed and losing the town a big weapon.

I don't understand why you are trying to attract the mafia nk. that's not very town, is it?

ok notes:

Xiao is really aggressive. and despite saying this is his first game of mafia, he seems to know what a policy lynch is. hmm. Why so aggressive Xiao?

slimer is probably scum. I think we need to lynch him today.

Muttley could be scum. I thought he was town originally from his "you can lynch me, I'm town and someone needs to be lynched d1" but that's not quite townish to offer to be the lynch on d1 when we could be lynching scum.

mp5 reads town, I like him.

[Mac]

Didi could also be scum, I should note that down.

aaaand finally: VOTE: Slimer

[MP5]

Hi Mac, nice of you to continue the town I had on Xeg, saves me the headache of looking at another replacement ... @NicCage, I know what you mean re: new game. With the Muttley-Xiao thing, I'm not surprised frankly, but I'm determined to see it out (no matter how tired I am ...)

@slimer, I voted for you because you couldn't decide who scum was, couldn't contribute anything helpful to help find scum, and then decide to vote for the one guy you had as a town read (that was the scum slip I was speaking of). You don't come across as anything but serious when you tell him "You're 2 votes away from being lynched", that was intended to create serious lynch pressure, and then you backoff later with saying you were testing his reaction and that it was somehow complex?

Who is scum? It can't be that complex.

As far as the slimer's weak defense whatever, I think he's saying that your accusations of him are so ridiculous that they don't warrant a proper response. Take from that what you will. I can't criticise him for that, cause I think I did something similar to MP5.

There is a difference though, Xiao. Do you

actually

think these accusations are so ridiculous that they don't warrant a proper response? I find them strong enough to want him lynched, and he is now at L-1. I'm almost happy to concede that my original accusation on you was frivolous enough that your lack of response wasn't terrible. Personally, my thoughts are that my accusations are much more serious now.

Yeah that doesn't make much sense.
MP5, if slimer is scum, who do you think his partner is?

If slimer flips scum, then I will make a much greater effort to look at the interactions between slimer and the rest of you, but I won't waste my time until then. If he did, Didi is still a scum read, however I feel that frog has influenced me a little with his view on Didi so I may turn this around if I see Didi's slot improve. Not swayed by his thoughts on Muttley yet though.

Xeg/Mac is town, Muttley is town, frog is town (despite KP), Voodoo prob town, Xiao lagging somewhere inbetween. Didi and Fsnake/Spadille/you (NicCage) would be the two I would look most closely at next.

[Mutleyddmc]

Hi mac I like you. Surely as a town I want to attract the night kill. So they hit me rather than a cop etc?