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[Piratecat]

that did not look like a panicky OMGUS vote at all.

PC are quite clearly talking out of both sides of their mouth ^. I was a light-moderate townread for BOTH sides of the hydra recently yet Mollie suddenly goes from "AP is prob town" to asking why Bork is interacting with 'scummy pidgeywidgey' and encouraging people to look at me tomorrow. Shes scum and can't remember that she thinks Im town. Piratecat is a quality vote.

did you not earlier state that your vote hopping and read switching was a town tell for you but you are using it as a scumtell for us? this is rich.

see, you left out a key part of my post and that is telling. you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

you look scummy for calling borky's reads "forced" when there was nothing "forced" about them.

[qwints]

Okay, here's what I was basing that off of. Now to figure out if he changed those reads.

Everyone below the ---- line in their category is a weaker read. I can expand on this later or ask if you want a specific read.

Scum Heap

Messiah
Knight of Cydonia
Approximately Normal Guy
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PirateCat
qwints
CryoNudist* (mainly sheeping Slandaar's suspicion here)

I kind of doubt Bork/Majiffy are scum together, but I doubt they are both town. I could almost buy a Bork/Slandaar team. I actually might vote Slandaar over Cryo right now since I can point to things of theirs that look fairly town.

[borkjerfkin]

that did not look like a panicky OMGUS vote at all.

PC are quite clearly talking out of both sides of their mouth ^. I was a light-moderate townread for BOTH sides of the hydra recently yet Mollie suddenly goes from "AP is prob town" to asking why Bork is interacting with 'scummy pidgeywidgey' and encouraging people to look at me tomorrow. Shes scum and can't remember that she thinks Im town. Piratecat is a quality vote.

did you not earlier state that your vote hopping and read switching was a town tell for you but you are using it as a scumtell for us? this is rich.

see, you left out a key part of my post and that is telling.

you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

you look scummy for calling borky's reads "forced" when there was nothing "forced" about them.

Time to totally 180 cause I super don't like both bolded parts.

1) He's not calling vote hopping a scumtell. He's showing where you just flip flopped with no explanations.
2) Nothing in there demonstrates what caused you to say "scummy looking" in the first place. Was it my post?

[qwints]

AP's comments on the Slandaar wagon:

I kind of doubt Bork/Majiffy are scum together, but I doubt they are both town. I could almost buy a Bork/Slandaar team. I actually might vote Slandaar over Cryo right now since I can point to things of theirs that look fairly town.

Would not lynch today: Goat, MsMarangal, mastin2, Slandaar, PirateCat, Angelious Nero, Jal, PV, Mac. Would prefer to not lynch: qwints, Fitz, Bitmap, Guy in Freezer, Cryo, Guile, bork.
Leaving: Majiffy, ANG, KoC, Messiah.

So, if I'm being realistic: ANG, KoC, Messiah, Cryo, Guile are lynchable. I'd like people to comment on all those players.

Okay - he's reversed on Cryo and piratecat. That still should leave Majiffy/Bork, KoC and Messiah.

So AP, when you get back, why don't you think there are 3 scum on Slandaar's wagon?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, I keep saying Im leaving, and then seeing something I feel like I need to comment on.

@Mollie You are simultaneously accusing me of OMGUSing you (ergo you think Im scum) and saying that I cherrypicked your post (apparently you don't think Im scum). So which is it?

Im saying that you and Malak have been listing me as one of your townreads (Malak has been for awhile and you have been for a lesser amount of time). Suddenly you are talking to bork about me and how I'm scummy and might be scum? And you fucking said I need to be looked into tomorrow, so no taking back THAT. You clearly were saying I am scummy in that post yet in your VERY LAST POST you mentioned me as one of 3 townreads worth mentioning. No idea where you stand on Bork at all because Im not looking atm, but IIRC you never mentioned him that much - but now you are talking to him about me being scummy when I was a townread of yours?

@qwints: I also took back my scumread on KoC in my first post of today.

[AngryPidgeon]

saying that I cherrypicked your post

you left out a key part of my post and that is telling. you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

First of all, 'I'm not sure he is scum' sounds like you think Im a null or null-scum read.
Second, you are implying that YOU had a townfeel on me in this post and that that was obvious and that I decided to ignore it. How am I omgusing you if, as you claim, it should have been obvious to me that you had a townread on me and I cherrypicked that away?

Can't have your cake and eat it too Mollie.

[Piratecat]

that did not look like a panicky OMGUS vote at all.

PC are quite clearly talking out of both sides of their mouth ^. I was a light-moderate townread for BOTH sides of the hydra recently yet Mollie suddenly goes from "AP is prob town" to asking why Bork is interacting with 'scummy pidgeywidgey' and encouraging people to look at me tomorrow. Shes scum and can't remember that she thinks Im town. Piratecat is a quality vote.

did you not earlier state that your vote hopping and read switching was a town tell for you but you are using it as a scumtell for us? this is rich.

see, you left out a key part of my post and that is telling.

you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

you look scummy for calling borky's reads "forced" when there was nothing "forced" about them.

Time to totally 180 cause I super don't like both bolded parts.

1) He's not calling vote hopping a scumtell.

He's showing where you just flip flopped with no explanations.

2) Nothing in there demonstrates what caused you to say "scummy looking" in the first place. Was it my post?

jesus fucking christ

1) which is what he has done. that is why it is rich. the proper words for this would be either projection or hypocrisy and that would be based on his alignment.
2) it was based on you 2s interactions. I said your post of your reads did not look "forced". that he is pushing this looks sus, so what I said actually does demonstrate as to why I think he was "scummy looking".

are you following this so far

[Piratecat]

Ugh, I keep saying Im leaving, and then seeing something I feel like I need to comment on.

@Mollie You are simultaneously accusing me of OMGUSing you (ergo you think Im scum) and saying that I cherrypicked your post (apparently you don't think Im scum). So which is it?

Im saying that you and Malak have been listing me as one of your townreads (Malak has been for awhile and you have been for a lesser amount of time). Suddenly you are talking to bork about me and how I'm scummy and might be scum? And you fucking said I need to be looked into tomorrow, so no taking back THAT. You clearly were saying I am scummy in that post yet in your VERY LAST POST you mentioned me as one of 3 townreads worth mentioning. No idea where you stand on Bork at all because Im not looking atm, but IIRC you never mentioned him that much - but now you are talking to him about me being scummy when I was a townread of yours?

@qwints: I also took back my scumread on KoC in my first post of today.

this head has been sus of you all game. you cherry picked, plain and simple, in order to justify an OMGUS vote. but this head has steadfastly maintained that you are very different in this game and this head is trying to freaking sort it out.

if you are town, BACK OFF

[qwints]

Found it:

I like KoC's last post. Guessing he actually is town.

OK, this is town-AP.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Piratecat

[AngryPidgeon]

this head has been sus of you all game

still liking AN, pidgeywidgey and cryo for town

Confirm vote: Scum kittens

1. I DID add Cryo to my suspect pool way before voting him (even if the reasoning was vague, I remember at least saying I was supporting Slandaar's post about them) so, no, I did not vote them out of the blue. I was ALSO actively working with my townreads to work towards a compromise and CN's name kept coming up which is another reason I was ready to compromise on that slot. That was all quite clear if you look at my iso, Im sure.
2. Really? Im justifying an OMGUS vote? The entire point of OMGUS is that it ISN'T justified. And given that Im getting shit for 'omgusing' majiffy, why the hell would I try to hedge in an OMGUS on you as scum? But AP, thats WIFOM! NO, YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF DOING IT ON PURPOSE SO EXPLAIN WHY I WOULD.

3. You NEVER said it was based on my recent interactions with Bork. You said

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum but

I disagree with his whole line of thinking in this game

and in posh we were on the same page nearly all of the time even when we were both being retardedly wrong, lol.

but ONE POST BEFORE, you said I was a townread and you in NO WAY mentioned Bork's nteractions with me as a reason for suspecting me. The bolded was all you offered.

You are blatantly lying.

[AngryPidgeon]

borky

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum but I disagree with his whole line of thinking in this game and in posh we were on the same page nearly all of the time even when we were both being retardedly wrong, lol.

I think cryo is town. I think there is little motivation to push a 1v1 on d1 even if you are under fire. his vt claim supports why he would suggest it in the first place; to maximise info for town. scum are unlikely to do this cos it forces their scummates to either bus, defend or avoid altogether and depending on

how

they did it, it would be something that probably would put their team in the spotlight. cryo is not stupid. I do not think they would do this as scum. let's not even talk about the trail of voting analysis it would leave.

so that is why I am leaning town on him.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

I really think he is the best lynch for today. pidgeywidgey needs to be looked at tomorrow. along with the kernel. and goat boy. I agree with most of your town reads.

Side note: this post reads really really weird. Mollie is talking to Bork in a really familiar way despite mostly ignoring him (except like one or 2 instances where she off handedly agreed with something he said) If this game is multi-ball, then Mollie/Bork are probably scum together. (Otherwise, maybe not, but it still reads really weird for someone who hasn't been interacting with Bork at all)

[Piratecat]

saying that I cherrypicked your post

you left out a key part of my post and that is telling. you cherry picked "scummy looking pidgeywidgey" but did not post the post in its entirety in which I followed it up with "I am not sure if he is scum though".

First of all, 'I'm not sure he is scum' sounds like you think Im a null or null-scum read.
Second, you are implying that YOU had a townfeel on me in this post and that that was obvious and that I decided to ignore it. How am I omgusing you if, as you claim, it should have been obvious to me that you had a townread on me and I cherrypicked that away?

Can't have your cake and eat it too Mollie.

I waffle on you. plain in simple.

I waffle on majiffy

I waffle on nero/arc. where did they run off to

and you are still cherry picking

if waffling is a scumtell then why are you waffling too on some of your reads?

are you scum?

I am unsure about you but the other half of this head has had you as town. we have been in disagreement for awhile. I moved you to town cos you were showing some town tells

but I cannot ignore the difference in your game here and the posh game.

like a big difference. it keeps pinging my scumdar.

eta:

but ONE POST BEFORE, you said I was a townread and you in NO WAY mentioned Bork's nteractions with me as a reason for suspecting me. The bolded was all you offered.

at the time I had given you a town read you had not interacted with borky. then you did. and I thought you looked scummy with how you interacted with him. so I moved you back to my scum pile.

what part of this are you not understanding.

and no, I am not lying. your interactions with borky point to why we are so out of sync. the "we have not been in line with thinking this whole game" is a true statement cos we haven't been.

my moving you to my town pile was independent of you being in line with my thinking. cos we haven't been. it has to do with independent town tells that I thought you might have been dropping and what the other head says. but I dunno. it is weird to be on the end of this level of dissonance with someone else who claims to be town. I am not able to follow you at all.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I still do not get why you are talking to Bork out of the blue despite not really mentioning him before. On top of that, you flat out encourage him to stop interacting with me "why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey." but call me scummy at the same time.

Why?

[AngryPidgeon]

And Bork doesn't seem to find any of that strange until I point it out, wut?

[AngryPidgeon]

WTF. Ya Mollie just multiball scumslipped hard, is scum with Bork, and is panicking like mad because that post was a slip. Calling it. Buy your tickets now.

Nothing else explains why she 180s on my alignment hardcore,

implies

it was over my interactions with Bork and later says that that was obvious (it wasn't), and

then encourages Bork to stop talking to me despite me being scummy

.

[Piratecat]

borky

why are you talking to scummy looking pidgeywidgey. I am not sure if he is scum but I disagree with his whole line of thinking in this game and in posh we were on the same page nearly all of the time even when we were both being retardedly wrong, lol.

I think cryo is town. I think there is little motivation to push a 1v1 on d1 even if you are under fire. his vt claim supports why he would suggest it in the first place; to maximise info for town. scum are unlikely to do this cos it forces their scummates to either bus, defend or avoid altogether and depending on

how

they did it, it would be something that probably would put their team in the spotlight. cryo is not stupid. I do not think they would do this as scum. let's not even talk about the trail of voting analysis it would leave.

so that is why I am leaning town on him.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

I really think he is the best lynch for today. pidgeywidgey needs to be looked at tomorrow. along with the kernel. and goat boy. I agree with most of your town reads.

Side note: this post reads really really weird.

Mollie is talking to Bork in a really familiar way despite mostly

ignoring him (except like one or 2 instances where she off handedly agreed with something he said)

If this game is multi-ball, then Mollie/Bork are probably scum together.

(Otherwise, maybe not, but it still reads really weird for someone who hasn't been interacting with Bork at all)

it takes like 2 seconds to see that

this

is a lie.

I mentioned borky early.

mentioned him again later.

mentioned him when nero asked me.

he went awol and then reappeared. he looks town to me.

wrt the bold: hedging

eta: xposts, pidgeywidgy, you are fucking flailing like a duck in quicksand

[AngryPidgeon]

Mmm, ok, I can actually potentially explain that from town-Mollie mindset. You mention 161, how do you think you are

playing

compared to what you were in 161, Mollie?

P-edit: Seriously actually not reading that and Ill be back in like 4 hours.

[Slandaar]

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players

you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

lol

VOTE: PirateCat

[Slandaar]

Also you didn't answer my question.

[Ms Marangal]

....

I think I might actually follow the flow-chart this time.

Slandaar looks terrible from the last few pages I skimmed, but I need to dissect his arguments and figure this out myself. I'll do something soonish

[Bitmap]

Still reading but anyone got any questions I should answer in my follow-up post?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah. With no computer access for a while, I can't even touch this game.

@Mod: I'm sorry but replace me please.

[borkjerfkin]

Found it:

I like KoC's last post. Guessing he actually is town.

OK, this is town-AP.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Piratecat

AP switched a read so he's town?

Really?

[borkjerfkin]

And Bork doesn't seem to find any of that strange until I point it out, wut?

The fuck got you to this conclusion?

Also I was in agreement with you about the last few posts until you got to this bullshit multiball-dependent associative tell thing. Associative tells from teammates are not gonna change dependent on whether or not it's multiball. It's also a shitty theory because I'm not scum.

So basically where I'm at:

1) Mollie is misrepping AP (and I think her explanation to me in 1031 included a lot of things that were not even hinted at in 1025, which is hard to buy)
2) AP is really turning on and off pushing obtuse points on various things.

I'd probably vote Mollie over AP if I had to choose between the two; AP is just annoying me more.

Barely.

[pirate mollie]

point out the misrep