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[ac1983fan]

Could someone give me the rundown on why Edosurist/Belisarius are scum (or at the very least link to a post explaining it)?

This totally has nothing to do with me trying to avoid a no lynch

Or it's you trying to avoid your own lynch.

And ffs, why are people here happy with going towards a NL? This is |________________________________________________________| this much worse than lynching a PR.

No, lynching a town PR is FAR worse than a no lynch.

Disagree; sure, power roles are valuable but excellent Vanilla townies and the information provided by lynches is much more valuable.

I think I'm going to move to HD now, based on my prior thoughts about him and the fact that he's generally not tried to be useful.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Human Destroyer

[SafetyDance]

And ffs, why are people here happy with going towards a NL? This is |________________________________________________________| this much worse than lynching a PR.

No, lynching a town PR is FAR worse than a no lynch.

HD atm, is no better than NS now. Goes awol for 4 days, including over the actual deadline and then comes back to just spec-fill and leave his vote.

"OMG he was lurking and came back and just left his vote on me WTF SCUM!!!"

"I can't be bothered to read anything so I'm going to ask you all to repeat everything you've already said to make it look like I'm engaging in the game whilst doing nothing to help it progress. I'm totally town guyz!"



Why the fuck is a no lynch better than lynching a role blocker? What possible gain could town have by not lynching a target?

[Gammagooey]

Votecount #22

Belisarius (2) Edosurist, Cheery Dog
Human Destroyer(2) SafetyDance, ac1983fan
Edosurist (1) Thurhame
Nobody Special (1) implosion
SafetyDance (1) Human Destroyer
ac1983fan (1) Nobody Special
implosion (0)
Cheery Dog (0)
pieceofpecanpie (0)
Apozzle (0)
Thurhame(0)
Not Voting: Apozzle, Belisarius, pieceofpecanpie

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline: March 29th 11:59pm EST

[Human Destroyer]

Why the fuck is a no lynch better than lynching a role blocker? What possible gain could town have by not lynching a target?

The use of said target during the night?

C'mon, that's obvious.

[Human Destroyer]

Or it's you trying to avoid your own lynch.

Or both in fact.

What a shock: a townie doesn't want their own lynch!

How surprising!

[pieceofpecanpie]

Or it's you trying to avoid your own lynch.

Or both in fact.

What a shock: a townie doesn't want their own lynch!

How surprising!

Oh I'm okay with a HD lynch now.

Sitting back passively, making a lazy

"someone should tell me who to vote"

-style post in #818 and then making a

"yeah, but I'm town"

defence doesn't gel well.

This is better than NS lynch, on par with Belisarius and infinitely better than a NL. I feel this is one that'll move a lot easier than trying to drum up a Belisarius lynch before deadline.

VOTE: Human Destroyer

[Cheery Dog]

Something needs to happen soon anyway. Im willing to switch to HD.

Actually I can't see enough people joining I'm the beli lynch either.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: human destroyer

Also there are way too many people not contributing enough today

Hopefully Edos will get something useful in since he should be back from v/la about now.

[Human Destroyer]

"someone should tell me who to vote"

There's far and away a difference between asking for cases and asking someone to specifically tell me who to vote

Interesting that you didn't get on me for doing

exactly that

yesterday though. Why's that?

Also, that's not a "yeah, but I'm town" defense, I was explaining how what was being talked about was a null tell.

[Human Destroyer]

Anyway, since my lynch is inevitable at this point really:

I am a Vanilla Townie.

I still believe SafetyDance and Zaicon to be likely scum.

POPP and Beli may be scum if Safety is town, but neither are strong reads for me.

ac1983 and Cheery are my "never lynch" pile

I'm starting to come around on implosion-town.

[Human Destroyer]

Thinking about it, Edosurist is a pretty good scum candidate as well, so he can be #3.

I hate trying to read NS because ugh. With this read matrix, he fits in as town though.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Oh you're saying that after someone had put those cases out there you wouldn't just sheep them?

The only proactive thing you've done today is start giving reads on yesterday practically post-by-post, but you abandoned this protracted process and left it completely unresolved.

There's also a huge difference between a player who has been actively scumhunting asking for reads, and someone who has alternated between active and passive lurking asking for reads.

pedit: claim noted, by I'll stick with my vote and pretense for it.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh you're saying that after someone had put those cases out there you wouldn't just sheep them?

I don't sheep every case thrown at me, that would be dumb.

I sheep cases I find sensical.

[Human Destroyer]

Interesting that you didn't get on me for doing exactly that yesterday though. Why's that?

I'm still waiting on an answer to this.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait

Fuck

I'm a retard

I'm not a VT, I'm a 1-shot Vigilante

[Belisarius]

Can't remember what you were going to claim, eh?

VOTE: HD

[pieceofpecanpie]

Interesting that you didn't get on me for doing exactly that yesterday though. Why's that?

I'm still waiting on an answer to this.

The answer to this is along similar lines to the following:

There's also a huge difference between a player who has been actively scumhunting asking for reads, and someone who has alternated between active and passive lurking asking for reads.

So what I mean is that I'm not unequivocally saying that a certain action premeditates your scumminess, but given these circumstances I think it goes towards you looking one way rather than the other.

In Day 1 the flow of the game was different, you'd barely made an appearance, and due to those circumstances it would've been rather weak to jump on you for asking for reads.

But now, not only have you done it twice, it would be strange to think that works in your defence and is somehow a counterpoint on me. It only shows repeated examples of you not being proactive and gives me all the more reason to vote you.

On a different note, I don't think that's a super scum-slip you've just discovered Belisarius. Looks more like derp-town, which is turn makes the whole situation pretty

[ac1983fan]

I'm not a VT, I'm a 1-shot Vigilante

Please don't take this with offense, but if you are telling the truth (which is possible though I'm unsure), that honestly doesn't make me want to lynch any less. I don't really trust a player with your playstyle with that kind of power (I wouldn't trust a player with MY playstyle with that kind of power either though).

[Human Destroyer]

What, you mean the sheeping part?

I wouldn't base a vig shot on something like that.

[Thurhame]

I was going to spend today reading/skimming and vote early tomorrow, but this situation needs to be addressed now. The only wagon is Human Destroyer, at L-1, who I don't want to lynch. I believe his claim, and even if I didn't, he's a claimed power role - if he's scum we can catch him later from the setup.

I don't like Belisarius's response to the claim, or the way Cheery Dog jumped on the wagon. Given that these are my suspects from what I've read so far, I'd lay good odds at least one of them is Scum.

VOTE: Belisarius

P.S. I agree with ac1983fan - if HD is telling the truth, he shouldn't use his vigshot yet. At this stage it could do more harm than good, especially in the hands of a relatively weak player.

[ac1983fan]

What, you mean the sheeping part?

I wouldn't base a vig shot on something like that.

I mean all of it. Every aspect of your play. Like you just seem like you are all over the place, barely even seems like you're trying.

[Apozzle]

Okay. I am struggling to accept the possibility that HD would

forget his role

and accidentally claim VT. Seriously, who does that?

[Nobody Special]

I've done it. Being in too many games can have that effect.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Maybe you should focus on just contributing to one game.

As for the HD claim. I'm confused, but it's too WIFOM to justify an unvote. I'll just be pissed if it turns out to be true.

[Cheery Dog]

I don't like Belisarius's response to the claim, or the way Cheery Dog jumped on the wagon. Given that these are my suspects from what I've read so far, I'd lay good odds at least one of them is Scum.

What is the problem with me voting my second biggest scumread when the first didn't seem to be gaining the required votes this close to deadline?
I'm happy with either beli or hd lynched and hd's changing claims doesn't convince me at ask that he should live. It doesn't fit with what he told me when I asked how he remembered all the roles from his mass of ongoings.

[implosion]

HD is town. *sigh*.

I've had a really busy past couple of days, and there really isn't much to say other than that.