Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Mac]

If I get to L-1 I will lynch myself. Then I can save my other mafia buddy, that way he will have a free ride to the end. you fools. How did you not know I was mafia from the start

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.01

Mutleyddmc (2) - Mac, NicCage

Not Voting (5) - Didi, frog, MP5, Mutleyddmc, Xiao Long

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, April 18, 2013, at 5:00 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[Mac]

Huh?

[Mutleyddmc]

Look I lied about my claim. I'm
Not VT. I am the Cop. Don't kill me. Last night I looked at didi and he was scum.

VOTE: didi

[Didi]

Okay, so now it's obvious Mutley is indeed mafia. (and he's trying to reverse psychology implicate me it seems)

So we need to lynch him. BUT. Don't do it quickly, you'll only be playing into the mafia's hands as that will give us less info than if we talk and interrogate and shit first.

[Mac]

Just lynch the guy. What else are you going to get other than mindless trolling?

[Didi]

Scum wants town to talk as little as possible. I don't care about Mutley, and yes he needs to be lynched, but to do so immediately will be detrimental to our efforts.

The mere fact that you also want this lynch quickly has rocketed you up high on my scummeter Mac. Why do you want this lynch to be done so quickly? Even before some people have had a chance to talk?

[Mac]

Why do you think I want this lynch done quickly? Have you seen the guys recent posts? I don't think we'll get a legible sentence out of him, let alone any scumslips/details about his partner.

[Didi]

I think I was quite clear that I don't care about him talking, I want everyone else to talk.

[NicCage]

Who else do you have scumreads on Didi?

[Didi]

Let's see

Mutley: scum
Mac: leaning scum
frog: town
MP5: leaning town
Xiao: null
NicCage: null


is how I feel atm

[Xiao Long]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Mutley

[MP5]

Muttley, you're what the term "policy lynch" was invented for. I don't even care what your alignment is anymore, you're hurting us by being alive and short of me having a Cop not guilty on you (which of course I don't), there's no way I would let you get to Lylo.

He's now at L-2, consider my vote on him but for the fact he has threatened to hammer himself. I'm a little with Mac and a little with Didi here, I want to hear more from the Town before I'm down with lynching Muttley, but it doesn't need to drag on too long - don't let ourselves become entranced with WIFOM.

NicCage, what do you mean by "I had xiao and mutley turned around"? How do you know read Xiao in light of Muttley, and will this change whether Muttley flips town/scum?

[Didi]

Actually he's at L-1

2 people died
7 left
4 for majority

[Didi]

Wow I was about to go to bed but I just thought of something


What if

What if that whole fake hammer thing that Xegarus (who was replaced by Mac) pulled, was not to see people's and mutley's reaction
But rather to let his scumbuddy reply as if he was a townie who was sad with his death, to let him gain mad towncred
it's just a theory, but think about it, it fits

When the plan was prevented by someone (I think Voodoo Lady?) calling out that the hammer was fake, he then went on to do a back and forth with Mutley which ended with him making Mutley suddenly look town to people (while he was in quite the negative spotlight before)



I so hope I'm right about this
It's always fun when your crazy theories work out

[Xiao Long]

Now that I'm back home, I can do a legit reply.

Spoiler:

I'll start with what I was GOING to post BEFORE Mutley hammered Slimer

I was confused about who was in the spot light and what.scum you would be going with.

I don't remember off the top of my head who it was, but once Xeg said that Mutley was town, others did too and they started pressuring someone else. Might have been kingpin or didi.

Yeah I might be wrong, I could see it being playstyle, but with the exception of mutley sheeping your points against him are the same as they were before the fake hammer. It just looks suspicious to me.

I'm actually curious why this is suspicious. If my reason for voting him hasn't changed, isn't that less scummy since I've been consistent with my reasons? Idk, maybe others see it as scummy.

If slimer flips scum, xiao is scum or all three are town I think. xiao is the only legit scum I'd consider because he brought Fsnake into it for nothing and then slimer continued the trend of having Fsnake into it.

Do you still think I'm scum, or have your reads changed?

Xiao is really aggressive. and despite saying this is his first game of mafia, he seems to know what a policy lynch is. hmm. Why so aggressive Xiao?

I dunno, I guess I'm just an aggressive person. Everything being text with no tone makes me seem much more aggressive, though. =P
And I knew what a policy lynch was cause I read dat wiki bro bro. Learned some decent stuff from it.

There is a difference though, Xiao. Do you

actually

think these accusations are so ridiculous that they don't warrant a proper response? I find them strong enough to want him lynched, and he is now at L-1. I'm almost happy to concede that my original accusation on you was frivolous enough that your lack of response wasn't terrible. Personally, my thoughts are that my accusations are much more serious now.

This is pretty much irrelevant now, but yeah, I thought your questions warranted response, I was just stating he didn't think so.

If slimer flips scum, then I will make a much greater effort to look at the interactions between slimer and the rest of you, but I won't waste my time until then. If he did, Didi is still a scum read, however I feel that frog has influenced me a little with his view on Didi so I may turn this around if I see Didi's slot improve. Not swayed by his thoughts on Muttley yet though.

Does Didi still read scummy to you?

I unvoted it straight away it was a clear joke.

I'm calling bullshit on this, you've stated that you've played mafia before (albeit on a different forum), so I think you're trying to play it off as a mistake.

Look I lied about my claim. I'm
Not VT. I am the Cop. Don't kill me.

Scum cop, maybe.

Okay, so now it's obvious Mutley is indeed mafia. (and he's trying to reverse psychology implicate me it seems)

What? Reverse psychology implicate you? Can you re-state this, cause it's confusing the hell out of me.

Let's see

Mutley: scum
Mac: leaning scum
frog: town
MP5: leaning town
Xiao: null
NicCage: null

Aside from Mac pushing hard to lynch Mutley, what about him reads scum?
And what about frog reads town?
And why is NicCage null to you? (only saying cause he seems town to me, though his predecessor didn't).

Wow I was about to go to bed but I just thought of something


What if

What if that whole fake hammer thing that Xegarus (who was replaced by Mac) pulled, was not to see people's and mutley's reaction
But rather to let his scumbuddy reply as if he was a townie who was sad with his death, to let him gain mad towncred
it's just a theory, but think about it, it fits

When the plan was prevented by someone (I think Voodoo Lady?) calling out that the hammer was fake, he then went on to do a back and forth with Mutley which ended with him making Mutley suddenly look town to people (while he was in quite the negative spotlight before)



I so hope I'm right about this
It's always fun when your crazy theories work out

This seems improbable, but quite possible. Just don't put all your eggs in this basket, because there actually is a good chance Mutley is town and just wants to shit up this game.

Quote boxes make big posts. xD

[frog]

Mutley is pretty clearly scum. He read scum to me D1 and has only gotten worse, having quicklynched our cop (then claimed that same PR today) and even admitted he was scum in the post Mac quotes at the top of the page. If it weren't so early in the day I'd claim intent to hammer.

A few questions:

Didi, in your list of reads, you've singled out Mutley as scum (for obvious reasons I gather) but also Mac for the reason that he's been pushing Mutley's lynch so vigorously. Do you think the two could be scumbuddies?

NicCage, if you indeed read Mutley and Xiao the wrong way around, why do you think this happened in the first place?

Mac, what do you think of Didi's post 414?

[Mutleyddmc]

Look ill explain myself. I honestly didnt think that would hammer as it wouldn't have counted in the games I've played before. However there were 4 other people well on slimer!

It's obvious what he was doing be suspicious so the mafia didnt night kill. Obviously that failed him and us.
I have no chance of surviving this lynch and rightly so. You should all be lynching me no matter what.
Which is why when I flip town. You should look at those that seem to say I am town that may not have before.

I may even hammer myself.

[MP5]

Muttley, if you are Town, Do Not hammer yourself. It only helps scum go through another day without giving up any information.

Didi, quite a hypothesis you have there. Scum don't have daytalk though, so Xeg couldn't have tried to plan Muttley's defence for him - so reactions would have been off the cuff, so to speak. Personally I found Xeg to be very townish, and I don't have any reservations with Mac thus far, so I'm not buying it.

@Xiao - does Didi still read scum to me? Well, his play has improved today, its not as strong of a read as yesterday. How do you see him?

[Didi]

Aside from Mac pushing hard to lynch Mutley, what about him reads scum?
And what about frog reads town?
And why is NicCage null to you? (only saying cause he seems town to me, though his predecessor didn't).

Uhm yeah that's pretty much all I have, I thought he seemed quite townlike at the end of the previous day. Though I was also quite suspicious of his predecessor's behaviour. And I have my crazy theory. :p
Frog just came in after the replacement, immediately posted a bigass post, and in general had/has a townlike posting style imo.
I feel like he hasn't posted much yet, just short posts, not much to read. Therefore I have a hard time reading him. He hasn't said anything particularly scummy yet, but also nothing quite towny.

Wow I was about to go to bed but I just thought of something


What if

What if that whole fake hammer thing that Xegarus (who was replaced by Mac) pulled, was not to see people's and mutley's reaction
But rather to let his scumbuddy reply as if he was a townie who was sad with his death, to let him gain mad towncred
it's just a theory, but think about it, it fits

When the plan was prevented by someone (I think Voodoo Lady?) calling out that the hammer was fake, he then went on to do a back and forth with Mutley which ended with him making Mutley suddenly look town to people (while he was in quite the negative spotlight before)



I so hope I'm right about this
It's always fun when your crazy theories work out

This seems improbable, but quite possible. Just don't put all your eggs in this basket, because there actually is a good chance Mutley is town and just wants to shit up this game.

Yeah I won't. But a man can hope!

Mutley is pretty clearly scum. He read scum to me D1 and has only gotten worse, having quicklynched our cop (then claimed that same PR today) and even admitted he was scum in the post Mac quotes at the top of the page. If it weren't so early in the day I'd claim intent to hammer.

A few questions:

Didi, in your list of reads, you've singled out Mutley as scum (for obvious reasons I gather) but also Mac for the reason that he's been pushing Mutley's lynch so vigorously. Do you think the two could be scumbuddies?

Yes

Didi, quite a hypothesis you have there. Scum don't have daytalk though, so Xeg couldn't have tried to plan Muttley's defence for him - so reactions would have been off the cuff, so to speak. Personally I found Xeg to be very townish, and I don't have any reservations with Mac thus far, so I'm not buying it.

Scum don't have daytalk? Wut? Explain. Cuz what I'm used to is that the mafia just has a quicktopic or PM's eachother or an outside forum or whatever, and they can just talk with eachother there all the time.

[frog]

I can't see Mac and Mutely being scum together, not given their current interactions. I understand you have your (in my opinion very unlikely theory), but considering the vehemence with which Mac has been pursuing Mutley I find their coupling unlikely. Xeg read very town to me too.

Scum can only talk during the Night phase. During the day they can't use their Quicktopic or whatever else is used for communication.

Also somebody please take their vote off Mutley so he doesn't hammer himself, we're less than a day into D2 and there's no reason for it to end so early.

[Didi]

Oh okay, I didn't know. Yeah that debunks my theory.


Still think it's suspicious he wants him gone so quickly though and not give us time to discuss (since mafia likely knows mutley is probably gonna go down, so might as well get it over with fast so town can't scumhunt)

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

I have some answer when I return from work.

[frog]

If you think Mac is suspicious for pushing the lynch, what do you think about Xiao for putting Mutley at L-1 in such a scenario? That looks pretty scummy to me.

[Mutleyddmc]

My thoughts on xiao end of day 1 were leaning town. Now though its scum.

The last post by her says its a good chance that I'm town. Why the change considering everything I've done yesterday has been scummy? The change being that she knows I'm town and is using it in some kind of defence. The fact voodoo died last night also implicates xiao to me. Xiao was always so sure she was town. Hence the killing it would seem to not implicate xiao. In my eyes however it has.