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[Apozzle]

I would be uncomfortable with a lynch on Thurhame today since he just replaced in.

I do not think we will get a claim from Edo before the deadline.

I was really feeling HD/Beli as possible scum... not really sure where to go now.

[Thurhame]

@Thurhame

Could you explain in a bit more detail why you switched from Cheery to Edo? Both Cheery and Edo were sitting at no votes, so why does Edo have the best chance of going through? You've had a scum read on Cheery, but no such mention of one on Edo.

Basically, there are multiple players who either have Cheery as Town or flat out refuse to lynch him. Same for everyone else I considered except Edos. Edos has only 1 townread on him that I saw, so we should be able to lynch him even if one or two people don't show up between now and deadline.

[Thurhame]

2 votes down, 4 to go. 5 hours before deadline.

[pieceofpecanpie]

OK can we lynch Edosurist now then instead?

No.

[pieceofpecanpie]

Seriously, out of all of them he's been missing for most of the Day. He's a pretty worthless lynch. I also don't know where the "Edo is scummy" idea is coming from. Where are these cases?

[Thurhame]

He's a better lynch than Town, and more likely to get enough votes before deadline than Cheery. With less than 5 hours to go, that's enough for me.

[ac1983fan]

Seriously, out of all of them he's been missing for most of the Day. He's a pretty worthless lynch. I also don't know where the "Edo is scummy" idea is coming from. Where are these cases?

I made mine way back when I started the day...Then his behavior didn't change much; plus I stand by the theory that the four stalled wagons indicated at least one of them was scum. Also, didn't you JUST SAY you'd be willing to lynch him?
Honestly this jumping from person to person is being way unhelpful for us. We've possibly outed a majority of our pro-town power roles (assuming none of the claims are fakeclaims) and I would have liked to lynch Edos from the beginning but it looked like people were shifting to HD so I switched to him. I don't understand why we didn't just stick to lynching HD (or even NS...really a less than fabulous player with a PR is still a less than fabulous player).

[pieceofpecanpie]

Seriously, out of all of them he's been missing for most of the Day. He's a pretty worthless lynch. I also don't know where the "Edo is scummy" idea is coming from. Where are these cases?

I made mine way back when I started the day...Then his behavior didn't change much; plus I stand by the theory that the four stalled wagons indicated at least one of them was scum. Also, didn't you JUST SAY you'd be willing to lynch him?

Did you even read my #897?

[ac1983fan]

Seriously, out of all of them he's been missing for most of the Day. He's a pretty worthless lynch. I also don't know where the "Edo is scummy" idea is coming from. Where are these cases?

I made mine way back when I started the day...Then his behavior didn't change much; plus I stand by the theory that the four stalled wagons indicated at least one of them was scum. Also, didn't you JUST SAY you'd be willing to lynch him?

Did you even read my #897?

Yeah, I did. You put Edos in your list of players we

can

lynch. that indicates a willingness to lynch him, does it not?

[implosion]

So yeah, so far we've had CCVBMM claimed. That's a lot of letters. Funny story,

that means there's

probably

scum in the PR claims.

Hint 1, it's NS. Hint 2, we should lynch NS. Hint 3, i'm kind of pissed because we're about to not be able to lynch my first choice because he's been absent for a week until deadline and we're not going to be able to lynch my second choice because derpy people who don't read why his RB claim means jack shit.

I'll be here before deadline as well and if there isn't a wagon on either Edos or NS when i come back then i'm going to be a sad panda.

Also, on an unrelated note, i think i had a dream where i was a town roleblocker (note: I'm saying this now only because if i was a town roleblocker, i'd cc NS) and that that was why i was pushing on NS >_>. But alas, I'm not.

[implosion]

Incidentally, two other things.

One. This is day two. There are eleven people alive. That means we can mislynch two more times, at most. We don't have TIME to just categorically ignore PR claims for being PR claims, even for a day.

Two, and a LOT of very experienced mafia players have said this (yes, i'm appealing to authority but bear with me): claiming before a lynch is not the golden egg that will save the town from impending destruction. It isn't even completely necessary. Hell, i'd almost be HAPPY to lynch Edosurist and see him flip a power role, because we have so many goddamn power roles claimed. It'd narrow the pot immensely.

In fact, if Edos claims a power role, we should be 100% lynching in PR claims. If he doesn't, then he's claiming VT and you have no grounds on which to object to his lynch based on his claim. Him lurking and being unable to claim are both terrible reasons for not lynching him.

Unvote

VOTE: Edosurist

In the hopes that momentum can be built.

[implosion]

I will say this again, for emphasis.

Claiming is not necessary in general.

Claiming is ESPECIALLY unnecessary in these particular circumstances.

Claiming a PR does not give you a free pass in and of itself, even for a day. Especially a PR like roleblocker.

We do not have

time

to give PRs free passes, even for a day.

[implosion]

Actually.

With this many letters claimed, we should probably just massclaim.

Which is sad, because we definitely don't have time to massclaim.

[Thurhame]

3 votes down, 3 to go. Waiting on Apozzle, Nobody Special, Human Destroyer, SafetyDance, and Cheery Dog.

At this point it's either Edosurist or no lynch. Any other target would require getting literally

everyone

in here in the next 4 hours (assuming Edos doesn't come back).

[Cheery Dog]

He's a better lynch than Town, and more likely to get enough votes before deadline than Cheery. With less than 5 hours to go, that's enough for me.

But what if he is town?

unvote

I'm going to have to get a reread happening soon, way to maybe claims.

[Apozzle]

All of the claims have been "a lynch is inevitable so I will just claim now instead of waiting" claims. It is very likely that one of them is fake. It is most likely that NS is a fake claim. The current context makes NS more likely to be scum.

I will vote Edo if necessary.

[Cheery Dog]

Less than 4 hours left?
I don't have time to get a good indepth read through going, guess I'll join the lynch party while attempting it.
VOTE: edo

[pieceofpecanpie]

Seriously, out of all of them he's been missing for most of the Day. He's a pretty worthless lynch. I also don't know where the "Edo is scummy" idea is coming from. Where are these cases?

I made mine way back when I started the day...Then his behavior didn't change much; plus I stand by the theory that the four stalled wagons indicated at least one of them was scum. Also, didn't you JUST SAY you'd be willing to lynch him?

Did you even read my #897?

Yeah, I did. You put Edos in your list of players we

can

lynch. that indicates a willingness to lynch him, does it not?

Or try actually

reading

my #897... Seriously, why do I bother putting effort into posts?

Well, that's everyone, so out of the remaining pile people that I'd consider lynching are ac1983fan, implosion, Cheery Dog and perhaps even Thurhame if we get into a pinch. I'd like to leave Edosurist for now, doesn't seem like good value at all given his absence.

[Thurhame]

That's 4 votes + 1 willing to vote.

We need 1 of Nobody Special, Human Destroyer, or SafetyDance to join.

[pieceofpecanpie]

I'll vote Edo before deadline if I'm needed, with all these PR claims this town needs flips to see what's up.

@Belisarius

I want you to answer my #894.

[ac1983fan]

Or try actually

reading

my #897... Seriously, why do I bother putting effort into posts?

I did actually read your post. I know what was said but my point still stands...You clearly stated you'd be willing to lynch Edos. Like no matter what else you said in the post, the thing I said you said, you did say. Therefore I don't understand why you're arguing with me.

[ac1983fan]

Time to summarise:

Players I

don't

want to lynch:

[NOT EDOSURIST]

Players that

can

be lynched:

[VARIOUS, INCLUDING EDOSURIST]

[ac1983fan]

Yeah, i understand that you have a slight town read on Edos but it doesn't change the fact that he is clearly in your list of options for lynches; he may not be your first option but that's not my point and has never been my point.

[Thurhame]

You clearly stated you'd be willing to lynch Edos.

No. He said Edos was one of the players who can be lynched - as opposed to the claimed power roles + Beli's inno. He did NOT say that he

personally

was willing to lynch Edos.

[Apozzle]

Going to just leave my vote on Edo since I am not seeing anything else happening today.

Vote: Edosurist