Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[Nero]

i've never been town before

Vote Count 1.3

Syryana

[3/5] - Lurker, fferyllt, Nero

fferyllt

[3/5] - Syryana, Deltabacon, orcinus_theoriginal

Sotty7

[1/5] - pitoli

pitoli

[1/5] - Sotty7

Pacifists (

Not Voting

): buldermar

-Angry P

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I've never played with Nero, or else I would've voted him first thing out of the gate.

Hi Nero. Remind me to lecture you postgame.

[Nero]

also let me tell everyone right now that i don't intend to write a colossal amount explaining why i'm town and why the person i'm voting is mafia. just trust me, i'm usually right.

[fferyllt]

Nobody is voting.

VOTE: Nero

Talk.

I've never played with Nero, or else I would've voted him first thing out of the gate.

Hi Nero. Remind me to lecture you postgame.

You

did

vote him first thing out of the gate.

[Syryana]

My apologies for my silence, I've been somewhat busier than expected this week.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Pitoli

I agree with orcinus and Sotty that Pitoli's #36 was terrible, fluffy, and irrelevant. There's plenty to comment on and she ignored all of it.

Well no FF did it last game when she was obvtown and I think it's townie that she's willing to uphold that belief despite whatever flak she might get for it.

I disagree with this being a towntell. Upholding one's beliefs is all well and good but I'm not inclined to give her a townread for it. I don't see any particular reason why she wouldn't refuse to give meta as scum, particularly since she's historically refused as town (according to you).

If this was a bigger game I would love to policy lynch Nero.

Very much this. My brief review of his last newbie game revealed him to be a terrible troll.

I was looking for a game where the two of you played. Reading the recent newibie game I see what you mean about unsubstantial. I'd say obfuscatory though trolly works, too. he was town in that game.

No. He was a Mafia Goon, if we're reading the same game. Newbie 1342.

Main (abbreviated) thoughts atm: Pitoli is lurky and fluffy, Nero is troll-y. Will be looking into fferyllt more also, some of her actions just seem off to me.

Pedit:

also let me tell everyone right now that i don't intend to write a colossal amount explaining why i'm town and why the person i'm voting is mafia. just trust me, i'm usually right.

You were scum in that game and I'm thinking you're scum in this one too.

[Nero]

why?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lol hey cool look at that.

I would've called for a PL right out of a gate is what I meant.

This fixation on small details doesn't seem like scumhunting. What exactly are you doing right now ff and what do you hope to get out of this conversation?

I would love to put FF at L-1 right now but I'm afraid of an unpredictable idiot named Nero.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: syryana

[Nero]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Pitoli

[fferyllt]

Lol hey cool look at that.

I would've called for a PL right out of a gate is what I meant.

This fixation on small details doesn't seem like scumhunting. What exactly are you doing right now ff and what do you hope to get out of this conversation?

I would love to put FF at L-1 right now but I'm afraid of an unpredictable idiot named Nero.

Inconsistencies grab my attention.

I hope to figure some people out, though I usually better on more sleep. I woke up and got back into this thread around 4 am my time. It's 6 am now. Coffee would probably help.

I liked Syryana's last post.

[fferyllt]

No. He was a Mafia Goon, if we're reading the same game. Newbie 1342.

Ah. Thanks. Missed the small print strikethru in the OP, though I noticed he stopped posting right before day 1 ended.

That changes things a bit.

[fferyllt]

I just realized that there's a lot of noise about Pitoli's fluff post, but buldermar got no flack at all for posting a "checking in" during the midst of all this noise.

[Nero]

Checking in.

[Syryana]

I just realized that there's a lot of noise about Pitoli's fluff post, but buldermar got no flack at all for posting a "checking in" during the midst of all this noise.

I should think the reasoning for that would be obvious. Buldermar made a single post saying essentially "I'm here." It's neither town nor scummy IMO; I'm treating it as null until we get more from him.

Pitoli's post on the other hand is neither a first post nor null; she comes in after placing an RVS vote with her inane question: "Why can't wagons be random?" It's terrible, fluffy and completely ignores the interactions between fferryllt and orcinus. The difference: Buldermar's post doesn't read like he's trying to post filler, Pitoli's does. If Buldermar continues to lurk, then we can revisit.

Checking in.

I want to PL you so much right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Syryana: why don't you?

[buldermar]

I think orcinus is town.

Because of #18, or?

[fferyllt]

I just realized that there's a lot of noise about Pitoli's fluff post, but buldermar got no flack at all for posting a "checking in" during the midst of all this noise.

I should think the reasoning for that would be obvious. Buldermar made a single post saying essentially "I'm here." It's neither town nor scummy IMO; I'm treating it as null until we get more from him.

Pitoli's post on the other hand is neither a first post nor null; she comes in after placing an RVS vote with her inane question: "Why can't wagons be random?" It's terrible, fluffy and completely ignores the interactions between fferryllt and orcinus. The difference: Buldermar's post doesn't read like he's trying to post filler, Pitoli's does. If Buldermar continues to lurk, then we can revisit.

I'm not saying that the short histories are identical. Mostly I'm saying that I'd like some content from buldermar. There is plenty in this thread to think about and interact with. I'm pretty happy that the RVS ended quickly despite my bandwagon being the proximate cause.

[buldermar]

Syrana. Since he tried to cover it up with a pretty bullshit reason. Everyone else at least was pretty open that this was a RVS wagon

That being said I don't believe town ff would give away town reads as easily as that. Last game you were unsure about my alignment all the way until day 2, going scum, then town, then scum.

Vote is now serious

I've played with ff before and I've seen her accurately nail an entire scum team of four players on day 1 before she got nightkilled based on very few posts. In other words, I think you're very wrong that ff wouldn't give away town reads early or easily.

[Syryana]

Syryana: why don't you?

A few reasons. First, like Sotty said, this is a 9P game. We don't have a lot of room for mislynches. Second, I like Pitoli better for a lynch at the moment. Third, I have a gut feeling fferyl might be scum also thanks to some inconsistencies (need to investigate) earlier, so I'm not going for a PL on Nero when we might catch some actual scum.

If Pitoli comes back and gives me reason to not vote her anymore and my investigations on fferyl come to naught, then I'll consider a PL on Nero.

[fferyllt]

I think orcinus is town.

Because of #18, or?

more of an "or". I think it was the confirmation that his vote wasn't random that nailed it for me. As I was writing post 20 I had already implicitly assumed I was replying to town-orcinius. Post 21 was making it explicit.

[buldermar]

Oh hey there :3

Vote: Sotty

Wagon FF please

So this is not a random vote.

Why?

Why can't wagons be random?

you're kidding me.

VOTE: Pitoli

I like orc for town based on the above reaction as well.

[Syryana]

People are being intriguingly free with their townreads this game.

[buldermar]

Am I the only one who looks at the wagon on Syryana as being baseless and stupid? It was an RVS vote which Orcinus in particular has over-exaggerated.

VOTE: Orcinus

I'm not bothering with RVS. He's flopping on his scumreads, with votes that 'Are now serious' on an RVS vote to a vote on the person who questioned why wagons can't be random

referring to a wagon from the RANDOM vote stage.

Tryharding scum has been caught.

Interesting, because I read this opposite of you. I think that the overreaction, which I agree it is, is likely to come from town. I think scum-orc would probably be more deliberate about what to base votes on.

[buldermar]

I use my vote to try and get town out of RVS as fast as possible.

I find this reasoning a bit silly. RVS isn't mandatory. If you think it is something to be "moved out of" why would you instigate it in the first place?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Am I the only one who looks at the wagon on Syryana as being baseless and stupid? It was an RVS vote which Orcinus in particular has over-exaggerated.

VOTE: Orcinus

I'm not bothering with RVS. He's flopping on his scumreads, with votes that 'Are now serious' on an RVS vote to a vote on the person who questioned why wagons can't be random

referring to a wagon from the RANDOM vote stage.

Tryharding scum has been caught.

Interesting, because I read this opposite of you. I think that the overreaction, which I agree it is, is likely to come from town. I think scum-orc would probably be more deliberate about what to base votes on.

You need to read the thread again.