Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[buldermar]

Like I'm actually confused as to why I need to specify how bad Pitoli's post was. It added nothing to discussion, asked something that has already been established, and ignored the entire conversation beforehand.

But anyways. Hi buldemar.

Hey =)

I agree that it's bad, but I'm not sure why you find it particularly scummy?

Vote Count 1.4

pitoli

[3/5] - Sotty7, Syryana, Nero

fferyllt

[2/5] - Deltabacon, orcinus_theoriginal

Syryana

[1/5] - Lurker

Sotty7

[1/5] - pitoli

Pacifists (

Not Voting

): buldermar, fferyllt

-Angry P

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I use my vote to try and get town out of RVS as fast as possible.

I find this reasoning a bit silly. RVS isn't mandatory. If you think it is something to be "moved out of" why would you instigate it in the first place?

Big words from someone who avoided RVS.

How do you start a game, tell me please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like I'm actually confused as to why I need to specify how bad Pitoli's post was. It added nothing to discussion, asked something that has already been established, and ignored the entire conversation beforehand.

But anyways. Hi buldemar.

Hey =)

I agree that it's bad, but I'm not sure why you find it particularly scummy?

I didn't.

[buldermar]

Well, after reading again I'd be up for an FF lynch, given that he's quite happy to allow you to pick his vote for him whilst town reading you with very weak reasoning which you have rebutted, and has been obstructive to the production of offsite meta, which whilst it could read as null, reads to me as scum deliberately impeding an investigation on them.

UNVOTE: Orcinus

VOTE: FF

It's a she.

We're not lynching ff today for several reasons.

Firstly and most importantly, she's by far the best player in this game and (in my opinion) especially so as town. This means that when she's town, by reading her reads carefully, we succesfully lynch scum more often than we otherwise would. When she's scum, we may wrongfully lynch town, but we also have a really good indicator that she's scum as she's very rarely wrong in her reads.

Secondly, the accusation that she is "town reading with very weak reasoning" is preposterous. What exactly is it you mean with weak reasoning?

Thirdly, I highly doubt that her refusing to give away meta is at all related to her alignment in this game.

On the other hand, it looks a bit scummy to me that you deliberately chose to read it as "scum deliberately impeding an investigation on them" when it for all you know could be related to wanting anonymity for now.

[buldermar]

Oh and ff refusing to offer offsite meta is townie, not scum. Jsyk.

^^ also looks town to me.

[buldermar]

Well no FF did it last game when she was obvtown and I think it's townie that she's willing to uphold that belief despite whatever flak she might get for it.

Nero: Good policy lynch, or

great

policy lynch?

I'm pretty sure that her being unwilling to provide meta from a different site is in itself null.

[fferyllt]

I don't think my track record reading unknown players is nearly as good as all that. We'll see. I do hope to help my team win, no matter how short my stay in the game.

My team is town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't think my track record reading unknown players is nearly as good as all that. We'll see. I do hope to help my team win, no matter how short my stay in the game.

My team is town.

What's Buldemar?

[buldermar]

Orcinus I want to know

why

you think he should be PL'd. First game I've played with him.

I'm going to try out a scumtell.

VOTE: fery

Town-fery would've meta'd Nero.

You're voting someone for asking a direct and simple question as opposed to reading an entire game?

[fferyllt]

I don't think my track record reading unknown players is nearly as good as all that. We'll see. I do hope to help my team win, no matter how short my stay in the game.

My team is town.

What's Buldemar?

He's hard to read, though I've gotten him right once or twice. I don't have an opinion yet.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yep.

First off, "an entire game" is misleading. Nero has maybe 50 posts between 3 games. All of them one-liners.

Secondly, from what I've seen of FF last game, I know that she tries very hard as town. And not once in last game did she ever ask for meta--she preferred to get it herself.

Which is why I think that this is out-of-character for town ff. Along with other things.

[buldermar]

Lol hey cool look at that.

I would've called for a PL right out of a gate is what I meant.

This fixation on small details doesn't seem like scumhunting. What exactly are you doing right now ff and what do you hope to get out of this conversation?

I would love to put FF at L-1 right now but I'm afraid of an unpredictable idiot named Nero.

Inconsistencies grab my attention.

I hope to figure some people out, though I usually better on more sleep. I woke up and got back into this thread around 4 am my time. It's 6 am now. Coffee would probably help.

I liked Syryana's last post.

Do you think anything about Syryana specifically writing out "Mafia Goon" as opposed to just saying "scum"? I have some thoughts about it, but I'd like to hear yours first.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No matter how quick and how good FF's reads are, #26 was overkill.

[buldermar]

I just realized that there's a lot of noise about Pitoli's fluff post, but buldermar got no flack at all for posting a "checking in" during the midst of all this noise.

People haz le fear when they see my name.

[buldermar]

If Buldermar continues to lurk, then we can revisit.

I don't ever lurk. Either I spam the thread with posts or I'm busy IRL.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you think anything about Syryana specifically writing out "Mafia Goon" as opposed to just saying "scum"? I have some thoughts about it, but I'd like to hear yours first.

Really?

like. Really?

[buldermar]

People are being intriguingly free with their townreads this game.

And it's a sunny day in Denmark.

[buldermar]

Am I the only one who looks at the wagon on Syryana as being baseless and stupid? It was an RVS vote which Orcinus in particular has over-exaggerated.

VOTE: Orcinus

I'm not bothering with RVS. He's flopping on his scumreads, with votes that 'Are now serious' on an RVS vote to a vote on the person who questioned why wagons can't be random

referring to a wagon from the RANDOM vote stage.

Tryharding scum has been caught.

Interesting, because I read this opposite of you. I think that the overreaction, which I agree it is, is likely to come from town. I think scum-orc would probably be more deliberate about what to base votes on.

You need to read the thread again.

You need to be more specific as I'm not going to read the thread in its entirety again right now.

[fferyllt]

Lol hey cool look at that.

I would've called for a PL right out of a gate is what I meant.

This fixation on small details doesn't seem like scumhunting. What exactly are you doing right now ff and what do you hope to get out of this conversation?

I would love to put FF at L-1 right now but I'm afraid of an unpredictable idiot named Nero.

Inconsistencies grab my attention.

I hope to figure some people out, though I usually better on more sleep. I woke up and got back into this thread around 4 am my time. It's 6 am now. Coffee would probably help.

I liked Syryana's last post.

Do you think anything about Syryana specifically writing out "Mafia Goon" as opposed to just saying "scum"? I have some thoughts about it, but I'd like to hear yours first.

He's new to the site I think but obviously has mafia experience from his posts.

Hm. Remembering my first game here, I was a lot more careful of local terminology than I've been in later games. I was scum, and that played into my punctiliousness.

[buldermar]

I use my vote to try and get town out of RVS as fast as possible.

I find this reasoning a bit silly. RVS isn't mandatory. If you think it is something to be "moved out of" why would you instigate it in the first place?

Big words from someone who avoided RVS.

How do you start a game, tell me please

I didn't avoid RVS, I just wasn't around. However, if I was around I would explicitly have declared it over because it's inherently anti-town and a massive waste of time.

More or less any other way of starting the game is superior to writing a post that contains absolutely nothing that has any potential what-so-ever to be alignment-indicative. I could have written about my favorite colour and it would have been more useful.

[fferyllt]

No matter how quick and how good FF's reads are, #26 was overkill.

If I wound up quick-lynched overnight at your behest without a chance to dump my nascent reads, I wanted my town read on you well cemented in memories.

You're welcome.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Am I the only one who looks at the wagon on Syryana as being baseless and stupid? It was an RVS vote which Orcinus in particular has over-exaggerated.

VOTE: Orcinus

I'm not bothering with RVS. He's flopping on his scumreads, with votes that 'Are now serious' on an RVS vote to a vote on the person who questioned why wagons can't be random

referring to a wagon from the RANDOM vote stage.

Tryharding scum has been caught.

Interesting, because I read this opposite of you. I think that the overreaction, which I agree it is, is likely to come from town. I think scum-orc would probably be more deliberate about what to base votes on.

You need to read the thread again.

You need to be more specific as I'm not going to read the thread in its entirety again right now.

Oh wow the derps on me - I thought the wagon on FF was on Syrana, then saw another vote for Syrana in post 29.

So said "overreaction" doesn't actually exist.

[buldermar]

Like I'm actually confused as to why I need to specify how bad Pitoli's post was. It added nothing to discussion, asked something that has already been established, and ignored the entire conversation beforehand.

But anyways. Hi buldemar.

Hey =)

I agree that it's bad, but I'm not sure why you find it particularly scummy?

I didn't.

You didn't find it particularly scummy, yet you voting him for his bad post?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I use my vote to try and get town out of RVS as fast as possible.

I find this reasoning a bit silly. RVS isn't mandatory. If you think it is something to be "moved out of" why would you instigate it in the first place?

Big words from someone who avoided RVS.

How do you start a game, tell me please

I didn't avoid RVS, I just wasn't around. However, if I was around I would explicitly have declared it over because it's inherently anti-town and a massive waste of time.

More or less any other way of starting the game is superior to writing a post that contains absolutely nothing that has any potential what-so-ever to be alignment-indicative. I could have written about my favorite colour and it would have been more useful.

Right but then town would never get into the serious stages of the game.

The game only starts when an interaction such as that between me/ff (arising from random votes mind you) causes an alignment-indicative response to arise. Every game starts in RVS, and it ends when something alignment-indicative comes up. My goal is to make that period in between as short as possible.

But this is a pointless discussion.

No matter how quick and how good FF's reads are, #26 was overkill.

If I wound up quick-lynched overnight at your behest without a chance to dump my nascent reads, I wanted my town read on you well cemented in memories.

You're welcome.

If you're actually town, remind me to come back to this post game.

Were you genuinely worried about a quicklynch?

[buldermar]

Yep.

First off, "an entire game" is misleading. Nero has maybe 50 posts between 3 games. All of them one-liners.

Secondly, from what I've seen of FF last game, I know that she tries very hard as town. And not once in last game did she ever ask for meta--she preferred to get it herself.

Which is why I think that this is out-of-character for town ff. Along with other things.

Something can't be "misleading" when it's a guess, it's just incorrect or inaccurate, which is entirely different - especially in this context.

All I'm saying is that I find the assertion that her not having read the meta being indicative of her being scum silly.

Which other things?