Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[buldermar]

Need more content from Lurker, obviously.

That's the most annoying name ever. It was only after reading the most recent vote count that I realized it's actually a specific player.

[buldermar]

Lol hey cool look at that.

I would've called for a PL right out of a gate is what I meant.

This fixation on small details doesn't seem like scumhunting. What exactly are you doing right now ff and what do you hope to get out of this conversation?

I would love to put FF at L-1 right now but I'm afraid of an unpredictable idiot named Nero.

Inconsistencies grab my attention.

I hope to figure some people out, though I usually better on more sleep. I woke up and got back into this thread around 4 am my time. It's 6 am now. Coffee would probably help.

I liked Syryana's last post.

Do you think anything about Syryana specifically writing out "Mafia Goon" as opposed to just saying "scum"? I have some thoughts about it, but I'd like to hear yours first.

He's new to the site I think but obviously has mafia experience from his posts.

Hm. Remembering my first game here, I was a lot more careful of local terminology than I've been in later games. I was scum, and that played into my punctiliousness.

I was thinking that if I was new to this game and I had just received the role "Mafia Goon" in a PM, I would without thinking about it refer to that role by its exact name as opposed to referring to it as scum. We managed to confirm a VT in a different game because the new player referred to his role as Townie as opposed to VT. In the PM, the role was called Townie. Since the OP post of the game did not contain role PM's we were thinking that it would be highly unlikely to a scum to come up with the specific role name "Townie" as opposed to VT, which is more common terminology.

Interesting. Maybe. I'd be more comfortable making a townie call on role pm wording that than a scum call. The cardflip in the game we were talking about specified "Mafia Goon".

Yeah, I'm not sure it's of relevance then.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Np

It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.

-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.
-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with? Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.
-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas
-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up
-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.
-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you

And everything previously mentioned

My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.

This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.

[buldermar]

Okay. I like some of the points you're making, but I also think some of them are just misreads. Should I outline my thoughts now or wait for your full "case"? One thing that I can at least say is that I'd really, really hate lynching her on day 1 and be wrong. That would in my opinion be way worse than lynching any other person and be wrong.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sleep, come to me.

Raise your concerns, if I'm still awake ill address them, if not ill pay special attention tomorrow

I make a lot of brash claims but I have all the evidence in my head somewhere (I think)

Buldemar, fear of mislynching completely aside, do you think fery is lean town or lean scum? I think you're letting that cloud your judgement too much. Yes, we should do risk/reward analysis, but I don't think you're giving the fery case a fair chance in your head.

[fferyllt]

Np

It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.

-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.
-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with? Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.
-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas
-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up
-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.
-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you

And everything previously mentioned

My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.

This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.

I think I'm more relaxed. I'll probably find my zone in a few more games. The intensity of short games that wrap up in a week or less just doesn't work here. I keep getting told to stfu. Not that I listen.

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I don't know what to make of buldemar's interactions with you but it seems like its alignment indicative. Ill figure out which way it's pointing to later

[buldermar]

I agree on enough of your points to lean scum, but I just can't stand the thought of mislynching her specifically. You're probably right that I'm being a bit biased and I'll try not to, but I think we should seriously consider lynching someone else for at least day 1.

Here is my concerns:

Np

It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.

-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.
-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with? Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.
-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas
-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up
-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.
-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you

And everything previously mentioned

My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.

This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.

I agree that she is more passive than usual in this game.

I don't think the forming of a town read on you based on the few posts is scummy, but I agree that it's a bit odd she has not yet stated her opinion on me, given that she has offsite experience with me. I have one thing to mention regarding this tho... I've talked to her a lot about my scum game and how I feel like I'm particularly good as scum. It could be that she is afraid of forming a town read on me and being wrong because of this. If that's the case it would be a town tell, obviously.

I don't think it's particularly strange that she doesn't have a vote down. In fact, I don't have a vote down myself, and I don't really throw around with my votes all that often. However, I also dislike the vote on page 2. That seemed very much unlike her to me and of all the things you mention, that's probably the one that means the most to me.

Calling out Lurker was odd to me. Not because she didn't call out the other people, but because calling out anyone at this point - with so long until deadline - seems forced.

[buldermar]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

[fferyllt]

I expect to get lynched early as town more than is my "normal" at MS, in part because my play style evolved elsewhere and it's going to change as I get used to this site. changes are almost always suspicious in mafia. I think my insistence on earning my reputation here instead of importing it from elsewhere is also going to cause trouble, but I'm ok with that.

[buldermar]

That doesn't even remotedly answer my question.

[Deltabacon]

That was such a bad post.

[fferyllt]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Who specifically do you want as an alternative lynch because I haven't seen you scum reading anyone

Your reply looks mostly fair to me

Pedit: and these changes specifically = ?

It just looks like you're giving up now

Pedit: ok
Hi bacon

[fferyllt]

That doesn't even remotedly answer my question.

It wasn't an answer to your question.

It was to orcinus. Self meta and all that, but I'm still playing transparently here.

[buldermar]

And I'm going to simply disregard your "I changed my style and expect to get mislynched" comment. I know you're capable of playing loose and pretending to not care as scum.

[buldermar]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

I didn't instigate the hyperfocus on you. If anything I attempted to illuminate how it wasn't justified objectively speaking - at least at the time.

[buldermar]

Who specifically do you want as an alternative lynch because I haven't seen you scum reading anyone

Your reply looks mostly fair to me

Pedit: and these changes specifically = ?

It just looks like you're giving up now

Pedit: ok
Hi bacon

Yeah I've seen her do this give up thing as both scum and town so pretty sure it's null. She also sometimes self-vote as both alignments.

I'll reread the first couple of pages and see if something stands out, but I'm not sure that I can give you anything.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

How about 30 posts by Buldemar who you don't have a read on and who (more importantly) you aren't TRYING to get a read on

Like this is the prime example of the passiveness and lack of original opinions I was talking about

Pedit: nobody hyperfocused you

Pedit: okay
I think for ff, not paying attention is a scum tell

[fferyllt]

Who specifically do you want as an alternative lynch because I haven't seen you scum reading anyone

Your reply looks mostly fair to me

Pedit: and these changes specifically = ?

It just looks like you're giving up now

Pedit: ok
Hi bacon

I think the wagon on pitoli has merit but I'm not going to add to it until she(?) comes back and responds to her wagon.

Nero's going to be a fucking irritant, but it's a 9 player game. If he's not scum I don't want to lynch him.

[fferyllt]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

How about 30 posts by Buldemar who you don't have a read on and who (more importantly) you aren't TRYING to get a read on

Like this is the prime example of the passiveness and lack of original opinions I was talking about

Pedit: nobody hyperfocused you

Pedit: okay
I think for ff, not paying attention is a scum tell

In this game, I know buldermar's play style better than anyone's, but he's IMO difficult to read. It will take a lot to convince me he's town.

[buldermar]

Oh hey there :3

Vote: Sotty

When you take into consideration the stupid question pitoli posed later on and compare it to the opportunity of jumping on the ff wagon at this time, this actually looks town to me. I think scum-pitoli would probably be more likely to go for the wagon-option.

This is all on the premise that pitoli is actually a noob and isn't faking shit, ofc.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

For the record the second pedit should be at very bottom, formatting error

And hi Buldemar you can stop giving me meta I don't trust it unless I see it myself sorry :S and I don't really have a strong town read on you

Pedit (so many pedits): okay wait pitoli's wagon is shit though.

Pedit: yeah.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I had pitoli down as newb scum/town before the game even started because of how she signed up for the game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pedit: and these changes specifically = ?
Fery this was at your 159