Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

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- Axxle, CryoNudist, jon_h61, pirate mollie

[jon_h61]

Just got back from a long day at the Doc's, Meat World crap. Will be fresh and ready to go tomorrow.

[pirate mollie]

Mass Claim, of course.

hey you guys don't always get my acronyms and I am not always going to get yours

I am good with a massclaim

in the mean time

VOTE: axxle

[Axxle]

BTW, MC needs to happen. Axle, why don't you go 1st.

And why are you minimally posting?

Don't have much time and these posts didnt take very long.
I'm a citizen. Mollie next.

[pirate mollie]

I am the back medic. I thought jon was the doc cos he was flailing a bit but it looked like town flail. that is why I tried to steer the lynch off of him and have left him alone.

[CryoChemist]

mollie, Claim your targets, plz...

[jon_h61]

Axxle, please summarize where you stand right now. You been pretty absent all game, I want to hear from you. Why are you not the last Dragon?
Consider this a last stand that you may, or may not survive.

[pirate mollie]

mollie, Claim your targets, plz...

I only had one and last night I protected you cos I forgot all about aj.

[pirate mollie]

where did everybody go

[Axxle]

Axxle, please summarize where you stand right now. You been pretty absent all game, I want to hear from you. Why are you not the last Dragon?
Consider this a last stand that you may, or may not survive.

Without rereading I'm pretty sure you're town. Cryo is a weaker town read and PM has never been a town read for me so I'd go with mollie as the last scum. I'm not voting until I go over everything though.

Mollie: What exactly about jon made you think he was a doc and not just some other town role?

[pirate mollie]

I am the back medic.

I thought jon was the doc cos he was flailing a bit but it looked like town flail

. that is why I tried to steer the lynch off of him and have left him alone.

specials flail earlier and harder when under pressure

[CryoChemist]

We aren't so sure....we are reading this game and we can't help but shake the feeling that jon might have white-knighted us this entire time....

Thoughts?

[Axxle]

jon, can you claim?

[CryoChemist]

He already claimed VT

[Axxle]

I know he was implying it for a while and wanted him to actually say it to make sure he was consistent. Missed where he actually claimed.

I'm not seeing too much white knighting from him, I'll recheck though.

[jon_h61]

@ Cryo Maybe I should have brought forward my reason for calling you Town aligned sooner, but it looked to be catching up Dragons. I tried not to let slip why I knew you were a Citizen so I could keep an eye on what people said. Like when Majiffy attacked you, he completely ignored the whole issue, which added to the preponderance of evidence for his lynch.

Unfortunately I see evidence for either Axxle or p_m being a Dragon. Hopefully later tonight I'll have a list of questions for both of them that they'd be willing to answer.

[pirate mollie]

jon if you could get to them tonight or tomorrow that would be great. I will be traveling for the next week.

mod: I will be v/la from the 4th to the 11th traveling to new york and canada. I will still be able to check in though.

[UberNinja]

Noted.

[jon_h61]

@ MOD Limited access for the next four days, I may have family issues that will pull me away from game for a time. I'll do my best to devote time to game as possible.

P_M Sorry I didn't get questions done in time, I did reread the thread though.

Axxle At the start of the game, I brought up issues with you and even voted you. You never addressed the issues, instead calling me Town.

I very much have the feeling that Axxle's play has been disingenuous from their first post on mollie and the RVS debacle all the way through to his excuse for CooLDoG's slip. So much so that I'll
VOTE: Axxle

I'm thinking jon, Cryo, Majjify are all town looking at CD's iso. I'm a bit VLA for the weekend I'll reread and place my vote on Monday but my initial reaction might be Venmar or Molla busing.

It bugs me that I have you as my vote, yet you don't address that, AND put me in your Town pool. Makes me unsure of my read.

I'm still unsure of your slot. The first two thirds of your ISO is defending your meta read on pm. The other third is mainly defending your not getting the CooLDoG wagon. You said you'd vote by Monday. I'd like to see where you stand. Hopefully not sitting on a fence.

Axxle, please summarize where you stand right now. You been pretty absent all game, I want to hear from you. Why are you not the last Dragon?
Consider this a last stand that you may, or may not survive.

Without rereading I'm pretty sure you're town. Cryo is a weaker town read and PM has never been a town read for me so I'd go with mollie as the last scum. I'm not voting until I go over everything though.

Mollie: What exactly about jon made you think he was a doc and not just some other town role?

Except for correcting me on a vote count mistake, you pretty much ignored my reservations of you, and my votes on you. Would you mind addressing them now?
I know it's you or p_m.

Cryo, what's your take on the day? I can understand Majiffy leaving me alive, I was pushing him as Town aligned all the way til Day Five's end. If Venmar hadn't died I may have still thought he was Town.

I've had p_m as Town almost all game too. I'm wondering if I've been left alive because I

have been wrong

in my reads enough that Dragons hoped to use me to their advantage. I'd really like your thoughts.

[UberNinja]

@ MOD Limited access for the next four days, I may have family issues that will pull me away from game for a time. I'll do my best to devote time to game as possible.

Noted.

[CryoChemist]

This is throwing a bit of sand in the wheels. We want to hear more from Axxle and mollie before dropping a heaping pile of steaming hot knowledge on yous guys. The Mass V/LAs aren't helping.

Axxle! You should still be around. What have you found after "rechecking" jon?

[Axxle]

Going to a meeting now, but should be able to get back to this after that.

I don't see him white knighting that much. It's true that you're the first person to mention things in the citizen PM and since CD was caught because of VT speculation I doubt scum had a citizen PM (might have mentioned this before, don't remember) and because of that you're pretty town.

[Axxle]

Except for correcting me on a vote count mistake, you pretty much ignored my reservations of you, and my votes on you. Would you mind addressing them now?

I tend to ignore votes on me since the point of the game is to lynch scum not not get lynched, but at this point yeah it's needed.

"I very much have the feeling that Axxle's play has been disingenuous from their first post on mollie and the RVS debacle all the way through to his excuse for CooLDoG's slip. So much so that I'll"
I'm not sure how to respond to this. Everything I've said this game has been genuine, and hey I might have caught scum day 1 post 1 (or two I guess). I think what happens is that I tend to really try to not sheep so I go after the weird little things.

"It bugs me that I have you as my vote, yet you don't address that, AND put me in your Town pool. Makes me unsure of my read."
See above, I tend to ignore votes on me.

"I'm still unsure of your slot. The first two thirds of your ISO is defending your meta read on pm. The other third is mainly defending your not getting the CooLDoG wagon. You said you'd vote by Monday. I'd like to see where you stand. Hopefully not sitting on a fence."
Well I did the whole thing on Venmar afterwards which didn't exactly pan out. If I was scum I think I would have just lynched Maestro here since I already expressed so much doubt earlier.


PM is probably the last scum, forgetting our power roles is absolutely unforgivable. We just lost our doctor so scum wouldn't think there's another protection role. Failing to do so lost us a lynch. I mean Venmar said he was protecting AJ when he claimed, you can't just forget that. I don't like how she isn't reevaluating her jon read who she thought was a flailing town power role, and has since admitted to be a citizen. I could probably go back and find other things but I think I'm good.

Vote: Pirate Mollie

[pirate mollie]

I am unsure about jon but I am not ready to go schizo on him. I think you are a lot scummier than jon is and have basically been skating a lot. I don't think aj even checked in yesterday. did he? I don't remember him at all.

[jon_h61]

P_M First off, what do you prefer to be called when I'm referring to you, I have a feeling we may meet more often and I'd like to know what to call you.

I don't mind you going "schizo" on me, especially if it's main purpose is discerning my alignment.

@ Cryo When we were grilling Maestro, I said to him

I'm just trying to help in any way that I can, to hunt down and destroy dragons!

hoping that other Citizens would catch it and maybe come together as a block. I wasn't trying to "break" the game, but I did see something that we Town aligned players could use to our advantage.

PM is probably the last scum, forgetting our power roles is absolutely unforgivable. We just lost our doctor so scum wouldn't think there's another protection role. Failing to do so lost us a lynch. I mean Venmar said he was protecting AJ when he claimed, you can't just forget that. I don't like how she isn't reevaluating her jon read who she thought was a flailing town power role, and

has since admitted

to be a citizen. I could probably go back and find other things but I think I'm good.

This isn't a true statement, I've been very vocal about my role for some time now, practically yelling it at times. A quick ISO of me would show a few bread crumbs that any alert Citizen (I hoped) would have caught on to. Another reason to suspect Axxle. Axxle still has Cryo as a weak Town read, but like Majiffy hasn't addressed my reasons for being so vehement in proclaiming Cryo Town aligned.

I think if Axxle was a Citizen, he should have caught it, and at the very least tried to see if I was for real, or trying some off the wall gambit. If he's a Citizen, I'm sure he could come up with a question to proof my role.

I'm ready, willing, and able to answer any and all questions, accusations, observations, etc.