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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:50 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:This game feels stalled out somehow. I wanted to wait for more content from ArcAngel9 before trying to dig into more ISOs.

ArcAngel, do your reads change at all based on the role assignments being random?



Wait for more content from what? I finished catching up!!!
How my reads each time is depended on each situation of a game. But how does it matter now, and I don't feel good about people who ask too many questions because its usually scum divert the attention by asking too many questions that actually don't pertain to the concept.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:51 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:55 am

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If you count 3 months as a long time.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:56 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:If you count 3 months as a long time.


3 months is a good time, I feel old enough already...
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:57 am

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^unless she hasn't played many games....
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:59 am

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↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:09 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:28 am

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↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:

I'm used to playing diverse and multifaction games, including cult games. So yeah, I understand that different strategies are needed depending on what we learn about the game formats.

But these games have a set format with just a few variations.

I gave you a link to a recent game where both scum were experienced players (the IC and an SE). I don't think we should approach this game assuming that one scum will be from group A and the other from group B.

That's why I want to know if you would change your list of who is scummy if you looked at the whole roster and picked the 2 or 3 most scummy players without thinking about whether they are SE/IC or not.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:28 am

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^^ "these games" being Newbie games.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:33 am

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I will replace out if a majority of players wants me to.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:36 am

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↑ CareyHammer wrote:I will replace out if a majority of players wants me to.

Don't, just play!!!
Try harder.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:39 am

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↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ fferyllt wrote:
↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:

I'm used to playing diverse and multifaction games, including cult games. So yeah, I understand that different strategies are needed depending on what we learn about the game formats.

But these games have a set format with just a few variations.

I gave you a link to a recent game where both scum were experienced players (the IC and an SE). I don't think we should approach this game assuming that one scum will be from group A and the other from group B.

That's why I want to know if you would change your list of who is scummy if you looked at the whole roster and picked the 2 or 3 most scummy players without thinking about whether they are SE/IC or not.


I know where you getting to.. I am not going to say it is not a posssiblity.
But like i said, both the newbies can't be scum which is highly unlikley, but both the scum can be in SE & IC which is likely but these could be pretty much assumptions what i can confirmly look at right now that there is at least one scum in out of 2 SE's and 1 IC, which narrow down my hunt to 3 people out of 9, Once we take down the first scum, and based on how the bussing or budding went throuh, it is possible to assume the other scum easily.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:40 am

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↑ goodmorning wrote:
↑ fferyllt wrote:GM, you are showing a tendency to go after people as being scummy who are going after you as scum.

OK. I can't help it if the people I think are displaying scummy behaviour happen to be calling me Scum. It happens sometimes.
I'd really like to clarify that I don't OMGUS. Ever. As any alignment. And I'd appreciate if you stopped trying to hint at such.


I can't know what's going on internally in your thoughts. All I can see is what is in your posts.

My main reason for posting that was awareness raising in case the pattern was not on your radar. I'm leaning slightly town on you at the moment.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:42 am

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↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
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↑ goodmorning wrote:Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.


Is Ffery is a new player? but her profile is created long time ago...

"A long time ago." :)

I drew scum in my first newbie game at the beginning of January, came down with the flu and my father in law passed away in February. I stuck with that one game until it completed, and then started playing multiple games. I have 2 completed games here now, and 3 in progress. I'm alive in two of them, including this one.

I have a lot of other-site forum mafia experience, though.


Oh okay, 3 games. I would say, you still farily new.
But, let me tell you something about this site. the games are here not the same as on other sites, you should be knowing that already!!
I really liked the way how you're looking at every possible way to suspect from almost all the posts, which makes you pro-town but the players on this site posts like hell, and some of their don't even look town to you. So, it is okay to get reads the way usually do but it is also important how you should change especially when you get to different type of games, Games where you have double mafia teams, cult leaders, wear wolf groups etc. People on this site follows different strategies to narrow downlist for scum hunting that includes "Mass claims" as well.

So, when i look at a newbie game, I don't think any MOD would think a bunch newbies can handle the entire mafia team on their own, Although the player role selection is random, it seems obvious to me that one of the SE's or IC's may be a possible scum (I would say high possibility), and all of them won't be scum too, if they do, it will be an one sided game.

I don't always see things in this way, like i said, different games different strategies... :cool:

I'm used to playing diverse and multifaction games, including cult games. So yeah, I understand that different strategies are needed depending on what we learn about the game formats.

But these games have a set format with just a few variations.

I gave you a link to a recent game where both scum were experienced players (the IC and an SE). I don't think we should approach this game assuming that one scum will be from group A and the other from group B.

That's why I want to know if you would change your list of who is scummy if you looked at the whole roster and picked the 2 or 3 most scummy players without thinking about whether they are SE/IC or not.


I know where you getting to.. I am not going to say it is not a posssiblity.
But like i said, both the newbies can't be scum which is highly unlikley, but both the scum can be in SE & IC which is likely but these could be pretty much assumptions what i can confirmly look at right now that there is at least one scum in out of 2 SE's and 1 IC, which narrow down my hunt to 3 people out of 9, Once we take down the first scum, and based on how the bussing or budding went throuh, it is possible to assume the other scum easily.

Do you think the IC was lying when she said that the role assignments are random?
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:45 am

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IC is not allowed to lie about that.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:49 am

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That was my point, actually.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:01 am

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IC said it correctly, Roles are given randomly..
so its random to be one of them is nearly scum (which is pretty much in my theory)
So, I can't tell you for sure if GoodMorning telling the truth or not, she would only know that for sure if she is the Scum, otherwise as IC she can't lie doesn't mean she should agree to how we see what MOD given characters to player. Howeverm, I am trusting her now for this game.. Becuz scum GM is different to the GM i am seeing here, It is also possible that it may be becuz she is an IC here but i don't know it fore sure.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:03 am

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And moreover, She already mentioned to me that She is Town here, She normally don't do that if she is Scum, If she is playing me here.. She could only do it once :)
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:15 pm

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There are 9 players and 2 scum. Consider the set of SE/IC. The chance that they are all town is P(IC is not scum) * P(SE A is not scum given IC is not scum) * P(SE B is not scum given SE A and IC are not scum) = 7/9 * 6/8 * 5/7 = 210/504 ~= 42%. It is more likely than not that at least one SE/IC is scum. But it's far from definite.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:42 pm

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↑ Eye Urn wrote:There are 9 players and 2 scum. Consider the set of SE/IC. The chance that they are all town is P(IC is not scum) * P(SE A is not scum given IC is not scum) * P(SE B is not scum given SE A and IC are not scum) = 7/9 * 6/8 * 5/7 = 210/504 ~= 42%. It is more likely than not that at least one SE/IC is scum. But it's far from definite.


False theory!!!
I doubt the possibility of two newbies run around with scum flag.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:44 pm

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ArcAngel have you played a Newbie game before this one?
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:53 pm

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In this game, neither scum slot was SE/IC.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26035

I'm sorry ArcAngel, I almost wonder if we're talking past each other. It is not a false theory. Two newbies could randomly have drawn scum roles in this or any other game newbie game. It's really bothering me that you're not willing to consider that as a possibility.

I'd really like for you to address this: If you don't worry about whether a player is in the experienced group or the newbie group, would your top two or three picks for scum change?
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:02 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:In this game, neither scum slot was SE/IC.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26035

I'm sorry ArcAngel, I almost wonder if we're talking past each other. It is not a false theory. Two newbies could randomly have drawn scum roles in this or any other game newbie game. It's really bothering me that you're not willing to consider that as a possibility.

I'd really like for you to address this: If you don't worry about whether a player is in the experienced group or the newbie group, would your top two or three picks for scum change?


I never said it is never possible. I said it is highly not possible, there is a difference how you would want to look at it.
Eitherways, we all need to lynch someone at some point, And I am narrowing my list where i tend to believe the highest possibility of scum team. Isn't that is simple?

I don't really expect anyone to understand and like the things the way i do but this logic worked for me earlier and i don't see any reason why i shouldn't go in that direction now. And I very well aware that i could be wrong too.

unless if there is something that makes someone obvious (which i don't think will possible in a newbie game), I might drop this plan.
you all need to underdstand, with all the above I said doesn't mean that i am not keeping my options open to read other players, I am very well aware how i need to monitor a player and when to point when i something fishy.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:02 pm

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↑ fferyllt wrote:ArcAngel have you played a Newbie game before this one?


Not on this site.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:35 pm

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↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:
↑ Eye Urn wrote:There are 9 players and 2 scum. Consider the set of SE/IC. The chance that they are all town is P(IC is not scum) * P(SE A is not scum given IC is not scum) * P(SE B is not scum given SE A and IC are not scum) = 7/9 * 6/8 * 5/7 = 210/504 ~= 42%. It is more likely than not that at least one SE/IC is scum. But it's far from definite.


False theory!!!
I doubt the possibility of two newbies run around with scum flag.


What's false about? What's there to doubt? You agreed that the roles were randomized. I showed above that if the roles are randomized there is a roughly 42% chance that none of SE/IC are scum. Are you unaware of how randomness works?

Been working on a full careful re-read, I'll hopefully have some new reads some time tonight.
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