Newbie 1356 (OVER)

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356

Day 4

(Current Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-31 21:00:00))

Player-list

1. Varsoon
   Freshmaniscoolman
   
   
2. Zoggoth ***
   
3. dexter9264
   
4. RadiantCowbells **
   
5. Mutleyddmc
   
6. freezing-hell
   shaboostein
   Aphelion72
   
   
7. Mist7676 [SE]
   
8. Paid Pyro * [SE]
   
9. Debonair Danny DiPietro [IC]
   
   (An asterisk indicates a prod.)
   (The Inexperience Challenged [IC] player is here to help you learn to play the game. Their play is governed by the wiki article Being a good IC.)
   (The Semi-experienced [SE] players have a level of experience somewhere between a newbie and an IC.)
   
   
   
   Spoiler: Living

   1. Zoggoth
      
   2. dexter9264
      
   3. RadiantCowbells
      
   4. freezing-hell
      shaboostein
      Aphelion72
      
      
   5. Debonair Danny DiPietro [IC]
      
   
   
   Spoiler: Dead

   1. Varsoon
      Freshmaniscoolman
      , Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1.
      
   2. Paid Pyro [SE], Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1.
      
   3. Mist7676 [SE], Sane Cop, lynched Day 2.
      
   4. Mutleyddmc, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 2.
   
   
   Game Rules
   
   
   1. All site-wide rules apply. Please read them.
      
   2. Use common sense. I will be the judge of this.
      
   3. Keep your posts at least moderately polite and respectful.
      
   4. If it's not in the game thread don't quote/post/link it.
      
   5. All text posted should be easily readable by everyone. This means, among other things, no hidden text or cryptography.
      
   6. Prods after 72 hours, replacement in the event of untimely response to prods or three prods total.
      
   7. Pretending to break a rule will be treated the same as breaking it.
      
   8. As mod I reserve the right to modify anything at any time.
   
   
   Setup Information
   
   
   • This game uses the 2of4 semi-open setup. That means that the following roles exist:
     
     • 1 Mafia Goon
       1 Mafia Rolecop
       5 Vanilla Townies
       2 of {Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie}, with no duplicates.

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Spoiler: Role PMs

VT

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Vanilla Townie

. You have no powers to speak of.

Win Condition

:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is left alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

Sane Cop

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Sane Cop

. Each night, you may PM me with the name of the player you wish to investigate. When the next day phase starts, you will receive an investigation result of either "innocent” or “guilty.”

Win Condition

:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is left alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

Jailkeeper

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Jailkeeper

. Each night, you may PM me with the name of the player you wish to jail. Your target will be protected and roleblocked. You may not target yourself with this ability.

Win Condition

:

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is left alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

Doctor

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Doctor

. Each night, you may PM me with the name of the player you wish to protect. You may not target yourself with this ability.

Win Condition

:

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is left alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

Mafia Goon

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Mafia Goon

. You and your partner,

PLAYER

(

Mafia Role Cop

) may communicate at night in your QT. Each night, you or your partner may PM me with the name of the player you wish to kill. You must specify which of you will be performing the kill.

Win Condition

:

You win when only mafia players remain, or nothing can prevent the same, and at least one of you are still alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome to

Newbie 1356

!

Role

:

You are a

Mafia Role Cop

. You and your partner,

PLAYER

(

Mafia Goon

) may communicate at night in your QT. Each night, you or your partner may PM me with the name of the player you wish to kill. You must specify which of you will be performing the kill. Additionally, each night, you may PM me with the name of the player you wish to rolecop. When the next day phase starts, you will receive an investigation result of either “vanilla townie,” “doctor,” “jailkeeper,” or “sane cop.” You may perform the nightkill and investigation on the same night.

Win Condition

:

You win when only mafia players remain, or nothing can prevent the same, and at least one of you are still alive.

Please reply to this PM with your role name to confirm. The game will begin once 7/9 players have confirmed, or forty-eight hours have elapsed.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356 - Vote Count 1.1

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Not Voting (9):

Freshmaniscoolman, Zoggoth, dexter9264, RadiantCowbells, Mutleyddmc, Aphelion72, Mist7676, Paid Pyro, Debonair Danny DiPietro

With nine alive it takes

five

to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

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7/9 have confirmed! It is now Day 1.

[Mist7676]

Hello people, I am one of your SE's, in this game. But don't expect much from me. I don't deserve this title. It's mandatory.

Vote: Zoggoth

Shortest name of the new players. Probably couldn't spend much time writing a name while he has killing people, huh?

[Paid Pyro]

SE #2 here.

Vote dexter9264

Named after a serial killer

[RadiantCowbells]

Cop here and I have a scum result on

Vote: Mist7676

Quick! Lynch the SE!

[Zoggoth]

VOTE: Aphelion

for being the only other complete newbie.

[Mist7676]

VOTE: Aphelion

for being the only other complete newbie.

You do know there is 6 of them! So many voting opportunities so little time!

Cop here and I have a scum result on

Vote: Mist7676

Quick! Lynch the SE!

OHNOES Cop claim? We have a tough one here! And is it odd you checked the SE first a ahh newbie paranoid at its best XD

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Oi, to head off questions of this nature: I respond to nearly any variation of my name from the full thing to DDD, Danny to DDDP to "Hey, you" as long as I know that I'm the "Hey, you" you're referring to. As the IC, I'm here to answer questions and provide some order to the game while also playing the game. If you have some question not related directly to your role (those questions should be sent to Messiah) feel free to ask them. It is much better to ask a question than to blunder and hurt the town accidentally.

Other than that, you get out of this game what you put in. So if you want to have fun, come in with a positive attitude, don't take any debate, arguments, or accusations personally and just pretend it's Pat Benetar and give it your best shot. I think experience is the best teacher and so unless otherwise prompted I'll be playing the game the same as the rest of you.

~~

Cop here and I have a scum result on

Vote: Mist7676

Quick! Lynch the SE!

Works for me.
VOTE: Mist7676

[Zoggoth]

@mist I meant people who have no games recorded on the site, because I stalk people pre-game.

Also to actually get some questions and answers down, if forced to make a choice between lynching two equally scummy players, would it be better to lynch the more experienced one? In other words, is it worth risking the loss of an experienced townie to avoid the risk of leaving an experienced scum alive?

I would argue that experienced scum have a far easier job in convincing newbies to play badly than the experienced town have in convincing them to play well, so I would be slightly inclined to lynch the more experienced player. Of course, this doesn't take precedence over actual reads, and it certainly wouldn't be enough to justify a quick-lynch.

I would be particularly interested to see what our SE's and IC think about lynching experienced players, as they might end up at the receiving end of this.

[Mist7676]

I am now where near experienced, but I would defiantly lynch the more experienced player, because it would be harder to play with an excellent scum than with the simple scum we just caught.

[dexter9264]

Freshman

: if someone acted scummy and then replaced out, should you continue believing that his replacement is scum?

Zoggoth

: Are you for or against lynching an experienced player Day 1?

DDD

: do you believe that since you are the most experienced, that your faction has a higher chance of winning? Also should we be taking your word over someone else's?

Mutleyddmc

: What do you want your legacy this game to be? When it's all over, what do you want to be remembered for?

Aphelion72

: Please give us a good reason not to lynch you D1

Mist7676

and

Paid Pyro

: Being the SE's I'm curious about what you have to say on a Day 1 lynch of the IC. He is the most experienced player, and could very well lead scum to victory if he is scum.

Radiant Cowbells

: Should a town player ever lie about his role? What if that player is a VT? What if that player is a power role?

[Mist7676]

Nice questions Dex.

Frankly, if our IC was the scum, and we caught on, I would lynch him. Scum is scum. No matter how experienced. But lynching him for no reason just because he

might

win as scum. I'd rather catch on myself ;]

[RadiantCowbells]

Should a town player ever lie about his role? What if that player is a VT? What if that player is a power role?

I know this isn't the politically correct view on this website, which abhors gambiting, but:

Yes. Gambiting can be extremely effective and it, like any WIFOM, gives extremely strong potential benefits if done properly.
In my first game I gambited successfully to live another day as cop, fakeclaiming VT as cop with a wagon already on me, and it kept me alive another day and could have won the game for us.
Does that mean if I claim VT scum are going to NK me right away in case I'm actually a cop or doc?

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356 - Vote Count 1.1

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Mist7676 [L-3] - RadiantCowbells, Debonair Danny DiPietro
Zoggoth [L-4] - Mist7676
dexter9264 [L-4] - Paid Pyro
Aphelion [L-4] - Zoggoth

Not Voting (4):

Freshmaniscoolman, dexter9264, Mutleyddmc, Aphelion72

With nine alive it takes

five

to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

[RadiantCowbells]

The inactivity makes me

Can we get some prods please?

[Mutleyddmc]

I want to be known as the greatest ever scum player!! OH shit did I say that out loud I should probably delete that. I forgot how to.... I am in trouble here best try get a quick lynch

VOTE: mist7676

[Mist7676]

Come on mutely. I thought we promised not to bus each other!

[Mutleyddmc]

Forgot about that. Best do some RVS

VOTE: Freshmaniscoolman

no wait

VOTE: Zoggoth

no wait

VOTE: dexter9264

no wait

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

no wait

VOTE: Mutleyddmc

no wait

VOTE: Aphelion72

no wait

VOTE: Mist7676

no wait

VOTE: Paid Pyro

no wait

VOTE: Debonair Danny DiPietro

no wait

I declare RVS well overdone now!
UNVOTE:

[Mutleyddmc]

I bet anyone at some point in day 1 I will have voted for both scum. I'm that damn good.

[Zoggoth]

Zoggoth

: Are you for or against lynching an experienced player Day 1?

To be honest, I would be surprised if a newbie scum hadn't given off any scum-reads by the end of day 1, which makes the experienced players more likely to be scum by PoE. However with the 'lynch the experienced' mentality found in many newbie games, it could also be said that experienced scum were more likely to reveal themselves because of dealing with this and the pressure from having to play both as scum and SE/IC, as these roles can sometimes be in conflict.

To give you a simple answer to the question, I would have to say I was for lynching an experienced player,but only if they seem scummy (aside from the obvious 'IC is always scum'). The advantage of having an experienced player to analyze another player's flip is far less than the advantage of flipping a scummy player, as scummy players' interactions (particularly with other suspected scum) can tell us a lot, regardless of whether they actually flip scum or not.

Besides, we will still have at least one SE/IC at the start of D2 anyway, so its not like we're giving up our only experienced player.

@mist and mutley, I really hope this is a really good scum play, rather than just a joke.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@mist I meant people who have no games recorded on the site, because I stalk people pre-game.

Also to actually get some questions and answers down, if forced to make a choice between lynching two equally scummy players, would it be better to lynch the more experienced one? In other words, is it worth risking the loss of an experienced townie to avoid the risk of leaving an experienced scum alive?

I would argue that experienced scum have a far easier job in convincing newbies to play badly than the experienced town have in convincing them to play well, so I would be slightly inclined to lynch the more experienced player. Of course, this doesn't take precedence over actual reads, and it certainly wouldn't be enough to justify a quick-lynch.

I would be particularly interested to see what our SE's and IC think about lynching experienced players, as they might end up at the receiving end of this.

Given two completely equally scummy players then that might be a reasonable tiebreak because those with experience are more to fall into old patterns while the chance exists that newer players are just making silly mistakes. That being said I have never come to a point in a game in all my games where my top two reads were equally scummy and there wasn't something more useful than generic "experience" as a tiebreaker.

DDD

: do you believe that since you are the most experienced, that your faction has a higher chance of winning? Also should we be taking your word over someone else's?

If I'm being honest I would say no. First because the entire premise of your argument is wrong since experience and skill go together but it's not a one-to-one relationship by any means. And secondly because I'm town and in all honesty I'm an average town player with a very average town record; if I was scum I'd already have a victory noted down in my records but since town we're still going to have to work for it. But regardless of the average you should absolutely take my word as gospel because at least you can be sure you'd be listening to a town player then.

[Zoggoth]

@DDD While I'm sure that

you

are entirely aware of your alignment, I find your assumption that everyone else will believe you troubling. Isn't it usually assumed that everyone claims to be town? (other than mutley of course) Are you sure that you're not a scum who's panicking at being in a game with such obviously skilled scumhunters?

speaking of mutley's scumclaim (an rather unorthodox tactic), I recommend a mass OMGUS, because that can't possibly go wrong. VOTE: mutleyddmc

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD While I'm sure that you are entirely aware of your alignment, I find your assumption that everyone else will believe you troubling. Isn't it usually assumed that everyone claims to be town? (other than mutley of course) Are you sure that you're not a scum who's panicking at being in a game with such obviously skilled scumhunters?

I didn't say that everyone will believe me, I said everyone should. And everyone should claim to be town, yes. But personally I believe doing so (unprompted) has some benefits, it accustoms and suggests the idea to other players directly and why would scum bother claiming town since everyone will anyways, thus I think it's persuasive as a basic truth. And I'm extremely 100% confident that I am not panicked nor scum and thus am certainly not panicked scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm town Dayvig. Dayvig here.

Challenge my claim and you get shot.

[Mutleyddmc]

I am day jail keeper and I choose to jail you so you cant shoot me