Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 1.10

buldermar [3/5] - fferyllt, Syryana, Lurker
fferyllt [3/5] - Deltabacon, orcinus_theoriginal, Nero
pitoli [1/5] - SafetyDance

Pacifists (Not Voting): buldermar, pitoli

Deadline: April 16th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-04-16 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

*Deltabacon is V/LA through the 7th
*SD, where you at >.<

[fferyllt]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: buldermar

going to sleep. Not leaving my vote in place overnight.

[Nero]

Townish

orcinus
pitoli

Unsure:

SafetyDance
Syryana

Unsure leaning scum
Lurker
Deltabacon

Scummy:

buldermar
Nero

Nero could go in the Unsure leaning scum group, but a couple of his posts did ping hard enough to draw my vote earlier so I'm leaving him in that pile. Deltabacon bothers me almost enough to put him in the scummy pile.

The thought crossed my mind that Lurker and Nero could be the same person using two accounts.

Pitoli is null lean town. She hasn't done anything too townie, and her behavior as a whole has been null for me. I have her leanin town because of the terrible wagon

I think Nero is lean scum because town Nero wouldn't quote something he wrote in a scum game

Buldemar...I don't know. I feel like he's town because of his reasoning in catch-up. His vote on you wasn't scummy because I did bring up new points that I hadn't before. It's very possible that that convinced him.

I concur on delta bacon.

Why is lurker lean scum?

that makes no sense whatsoever. surely i'd be more careful over what i quote as scum? and not town?

back to the drawing room for orcinus_theoriginal

[buldermar]

Ofc you'd use a great fake power role claim if it would keep you alive - which is exactly what you're attempting to make it do right now.

Will read 309 tomorrow.

Not if I planned to claim to be vanilla.

Jesus.

You're not this dense. You're scum.

To the extent I enjoy this at all, I am enjoying that you've made tomorrow uncomfortable for yourself by bigging up my scumhunting earlier. Good luck taking it back.

Feel free to insult me, but I don't understand how you can possibly think that you can claim something and then at the same time suggest that your claim is somehow indicative of you being town. There is no way for you to prove/disprove that you supposedly planned to claim to be vanilla, so that's utterly irrelevant. Good luck taking what back exactly?

[buldermar]

VOTE: buldermar

Okay?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ofc you'd use a great fake power role claim if it would keep you alive - which is exactly what you're attempting to make it do right now.

Will read 309 tomorrow.

Not if I planned to claim to be vanilla.

Jesus.

You're not this dense. You're scum.

To the extent I enjoy this at all, I am enjoying that you've made tomorrow uncomfortable for yourself by bigging up my scumhunting earlier. Good luck taking it back.

Feel free to insult me, but I don't understand how you can possibly think that you can claim something and then at the same time suggest that your claim is somehow indicative of you being town. There is no way for you to prove/disprove that you supposedly planned to claim to be vanilla, so that's utterly irrelevant. Good luck taking what back exactly?

Safe to say that ff wishes you luck in taking back your comments about fery's scumhunting skills

[buldermar]

If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll self-vote after I have one last chance to interact with buldermar. If I'm wrong about him, I'll retract my scum read before I flip.

I don't often lecture you, but in this situation I'd say that self-voting is considerably anti-town as you effectively deprive town some information that could have been obtained from vote analysis.

I'm off to bed soon, but I'll respond to every question you may have as detailed as possible when I wake up.

It's carefully worded, but there's an assumption in here that I'd be moved by the argument that self-voting would deprive town of information.

I think that's assumption that I'm town.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Even if you're by far the scummiest person in this game it would be extreme if I thought that you'd be more likely to flip scum than town statistically speaking. You know this, and you know I know this, but you conveniently ignore it because you also know that most people just think in absolute terms of "either scum or town", i.e., many people mistakingly think that because someone is more scummy than someone else on day one, that person is also more likely to be scum than town.

That being said, I'm pointing out that you're acting inherently anti-town which, should you turn out to be town, would be something in your game that you can improve on.

[buldermar]

VOTE: Buldermar

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If ff flips scum, the votes on buldemar need to be looked at

[buldermar]

Re buldermar, do you see what I was getting at in his post about not final-voting myself? I also thought he was being intentionally dense about what I was saying about not wasting a good safe claim on a vanilla town fake role claim if I were scum.

There is no fucking way in hell you actually think I'm being intentionally dense because there is no way that you actually think what ever the fuck you're suggesting about your claim indicating that you're town is logical. You don't waste a "good safe claim" on a "vanilla town fake role claim" if you're a scum who doesn't get lynched because of it - and that's exactly what you're advocating that you shouldn't because of your claim right now. It's absurdly backwards and I refuse to believe you don't realize it.

Will vote you once I've read the last posts in this thread fwiw.

[buldermar]

I felt like he was setting an impossibly high bar for me to meet - the best day I can remember ever playing.

Well it's the first game I had ever played with you and from all our talk on gchat and elsewhere I've gotten the impression that it's fairly indicative of your general level of play. You've said yourself countless times that you feel like you have no way of winning as scum because as soon as you fail to point out scum players succesfully everyone will know that you must be scum. I think you're deliberately trying to make things look as if I've made you something that you're not when I in fact have been accurate about every single thing I've pointed out about you.

[buldermar]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

LOL you pretty much confirmed yourself as scum in this post. If you were town and actually considered me scum you'd think that succesfully getting me lynched would close to confirm you as being town. However, if you're scum who pretends to be thinking that I'm scum but actually knows that I'm not you'd make

exactly

this kind of slip, knowing that

even if

you get me lynched, you'll be up next once I flip.

Please attempt to explain yourself out of this one.

VOTE: ff

[buldermar]

Townish

orcinus
pitoli

Unsure:

SafetyDance
Syryana

Unsure leaning scum
Lurker
Deltabacon

Scummy:

buldermar
Nero

Nero could go in the Unsure leaning scum group, but a couple of his posts did ping hard enough to draw my vote earlier so I'm leaving him in that pile. Deltabacon bothers me almost enough to put him in the scummy pile.

The thought crossed my mind that Lurker and Nero could be the same person using two accounts.

Pitoli is null lean town. She hasn't done anything too townie, and her behavior as a whole has been null for me. I have her leanin town because of the terrible wagon

I think Nero is lean scum because town Nero wouldn't quote something he wrote in a scum game

Buldemar...I don't know. I feel like he's town because of his reasoning in catch-up. His vote on you wasn't scummy because I did bring up new points that I hadn't before. It's very possible that that convinced him.

I concur on delta bacon.

Why is lurker lean scum?

that makes no sense whatsoever. surely i'd be more careful over what i quote as scum? and not town?

back to the drawing room for orcinus_theoriginal

Wait, did you just make a post that wasn't just spam and trolling?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Townish

orcinus
pitoli

Unsure:

SafetyDance
Syryana

Unsure leaning scum
Lurker
Deltabacon

Scummy:

buldermar
Nero

Nero could go in the Unsure leaning scum group, but a couple of his posts did ping hard enough to draw my vote earlier so I'm leaving him in that pile. Deltabacon bothers me almost enough to put him in the scummy pile.

The thought crossed my mind that Lurker and Nero could be the same person using two accounts.

Pitoli is null lean town. She hasn't done anything too townie, and her behavior as a whole has been null for me. I have her leanin town because of the terrible wagon

I think Nero is lean scum because town Nero wouldn't quote something he wrote in a scum game

Buldemar...I don't know. I feel like he's town because of his reasoning in catch-up. His vote on you wasn't scummy because I did bring up new points that I hadn't before. It's very possible that that convinced him.

I concur on delta bacon.

Why is lurker lean scum?

that makes no sense whatsoever. surely i'd be more careful over what i quote as scum? and not town?

back to the drawing room for orcinus_theoriginal

that would work for normal players

You don't exactly try to look town as scum

[buldermar]

Ofc you'd use a great fake power role claim if it would keep you alive - which is exactly what you're attempting to make it do right now.

Will read 309 tomorrow.

Not if I planned to claim to be vanilla.

Jesus.

You're not this dense. You're scum.

To the extent I enjoy this at all, I am enjoying that you've made tomorrow uncomfortable for yourself by bigging up my scumhunting earlier. Good luck taking it back.

Feel free to insult me, but I don't understand how you can possibly think that you can claim something and then at the same time suggest that your claim is somehow indicative of you being town. There is no way for you to prove/disprove that you supposedly planned to claim to be vanilla, so that's utterly irrelevant. Good luck taking what back exactly?

Safe to say that ff wishes you luck in taking back your comments about fery's scumhunting skills

I think she's an excellent player even if she happens to flip town and thus have been making a poor read on me in this game (as opposed to deliberately having done so).

[buldermar]

If ff flips scum, the votes on buldemar need to be looked at

Which of the two latest votes do you think looks worst?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If ff flips scum, the votes on buldemar need to be looked at

Which of the two latest votes do you think looks worst?

Equally bad, but I think syryana because of that awk vote on p2

[fferyllt]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

LOL you pretty much confirmed yourself as scum in this post. If you were town and actually considered me scum you'd think that succesfully getting me lynched would close to confirm you as being town. However, if you're scum who pretends to be thinking that I'm scum but actually knows that I'm not you'd make

exactly

this kind of slip, knowing that

even if

you get me lynched, you'll be up next once I flip.

Please attempt to explain yourself out of this one.

VOTE: ff

Are we done? I am really surprised that you can see scum in everything I've written in the last 24 or so hours. And I want to say that it is because you are scum, not because you're working from an earlier conclusion.

But, I'm not sure. So I hope the rest of town reaches a certainty that I don't have.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Nero

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Nero

[buldermar]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

LOL you pretty much confirmed yourself as scum in this post. If you were town and actually considered me scum you'd think that succesfully getting me lynched would close to confirm you as being town. However, if you're scum who pretends to be thinking that I'm scum but actually knows that I'm not you'd make

exactly

this kind of slip, knowing that

even if

you get me lynched, you'll be up next once I flip.

Please attempt to explain yourself out of this one.

VOTE: ff

Are we done? I am really surprised that you can see scum in everything I've written in the last 24 or so hours. And I want to say that it is because you are scum, not because you're working from an earlier conclusion.

But, I'm not sure. So I hope the rest of town reaches a certainty that I don't have.

Hey that makes two of us!

[buldermar]

VOTE: Nero

Yeah nice try but you're still getting lynched.

[fferyllt]

Aren't you the one who was fussing at me about contemplating a self vote?

[buldermar]

Aren't you the one who was fussing at me about contemplating a self vote?

Sure. Why?