Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[fferyllt]

Because if I'm not going to self-vote then who other than Nero would you have me vote?

Because, see. Those posts are me conceding that you might be town, and therefore I'm going to stop trying to get you lynched. Nero is at the top of my scum pile now, but there is no serious appetite for his lynch.

It is interesting that two players followed me onto you. You'll have to figure out what it says about them when you know that I'm town.

[fferyllt]

given the near universal certainty that I am scum, pitoli's town read on me is curious. Moving her to unsure.

[buldermar]

Alright, enlighten me then: what changed your read of me so drastically if not hopes of not getting lynched?

Other than that, I agree that Nero should be looked at should you flip town. Actually IIRC I have a question to ask you specifically about Nero, I'll see if I can find it.

[buldermar]

Read from 208 to 219. What exactly did you mean with your comment/question in 219?

[fferyllt]

Alright, enlighten me then: what changed your read of me so drastically if not hopes of not getting lynched?

Other than that, I agree that Nero should be looked at should you flip town. Actually IIRC I have a question to ask you specifically about Nero, I'll see if I can find it.

If my motivation were to not get lynched I would still be sledging you, because I think I could probably swing another vote or two your direction. My earlier interpretation of your posts may be wrong, but it's plausible and I felt sure a few hours ago that it was right. As town, losing that conviction takes away all interest in trying to swing another vote or two.

[fferyllt]

Actually, I don't like the sound of post 214 at all. Why would you suddently quit the trolling mode only to promise to clarify on day 2?

VOTE: Nero

That wasn't trolling mode?

Rereading.

This question?

Nero's post 214 was a blatant insinuation. If what he's insinuating is true, he's intentionally painted a target on his back. So, I strongly doubt it's true. Hence my thinking that it's more trolling.

[buldermar]

So cutting away the part of your post in which you attempt to make arguments for you being town based on decisions you've just made, you have changed your read on me so drastically because your earlier interpretation of my posts may be wrong, but it's plausible and you felt sure a few hours ago that it was right? What does that even mean aside from "I just happened to change my interpretation"?

[fferyllt]

That's pretty much what it means.

[buldermar]

Actually, I don't like the sound of post 214 at all. Why would you suddently quit the trolling mode only to promise to clarify on day 2?

VOTE: Nero

That wasn't trolling mode?

Rereading.

This question?

Nero's post 214 was a blatant insinuation. If what he's insinuating is true, he's intentionally painted a target on his back. So, I strongly doubt it's true. Hence my thinking that it's more trolling.

Alright

[buldermar]

That's pretty much what it means.

So why didn't you just say that?

[buldermar]

Actually nvm that.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ugh

UNVOTE:

[buldermar]

Ugh

UNVOTE:

What's your thoughts?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Neither of us are scum

[fferyllt]

I dunno. What I thought yesterday could still be correct. But, I've lost assurance about it. Your reaction to my arguments has a townish outrage. And that is more persuasive than the words themselves which are not as unambiguous as you are making out.

It's not really that different from your "but you'd say the same thing as scum" arguments about my comments. Either you can tell it's coming from a town place or you can't.

And in your case, you apparently can't.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

*Neither of the three of us is scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay

I want to keep fery around for a bit longer because I feel like I can read her better given maybe one more day's data

I feel like we shouldn't lynch fery unless we're convinced beyond doubt

This isn't because I have unrealistic expectations of fery. But with players like Nero and lurker in the game, it's going to be very hard for us to win this game if we mislynch active players

[buldermar]

orc, could you explain how I'm wrong in 337?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

LOL you pretty much confirmed yourself as scum in this post. If you were town and actually considered me scum you'd think that succesfully getting me lynched would close to confirm you as being town. However, if you're scum who pretends to be thinking that I'm scum but actually knows that I'm not you'd make

exactly

this kind of slip, knowing that

even if

you get me lynched, you'll be up next once I flip.

Please attempt to explain yourself out of this one.

VOTE: ff

Sure, but (from hypothetical town fery's viewpoint) you aren't getting lynched unless fery goes first because there isn't enough support for your lynch

[fferyllt]

orc, could you explain how I'm wrong in 337?

Ahh.

I went back and read that and I can see why you think that's a scum admission.

I didn't show my work. If that gets my lynched then it's my own damn fault and I won't hoot at you in the postgame. When orcinus didn't express any agreement with me that your argument about my role claim was dumb and forced, and that you'd tacitly admitted you thought I was town in your self-vote lecture, I did a mental reset. That's when my read went from scummy to unsure. That motivated my 337 reply, and it motivated my unvote. I wasn't going to leave you at L-2 overnight.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Personally I think my own flavor is bullshit so I won't call fery out on it

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

But my thought still stands that with shitty trolls like Nero and lurker, we should put a vote there today given fery's protown behavior in the last few pages

[fferyllt]

I'm very apprehensive of how quickly we got to L-1 on ffery. The last few pages have been weird honestly and hard for me to read a la ffery's and buldermar's new cases. I like that buldermar at least unvoted whilst not backing down from his position, that makes him seem more town to me than anything else he's done.

Lurker and Nero just seem opportunistic to me, I'd be willing to lynch either of them until they become more open with their reads/reactions to the last couple of pages.

@Sryrana - what made you change your vote so quickly?

@Ffery - I feel like town should fight harder against their own mislynch since you're at least confirmed to yourself, no matter how great your doubts are on another town-looking mislynch. Do you think your lynch would provide the town with the most information?

Never watched BSG so I really don't get the references/significance of claiming Kara, I think that particular point is moot.

I think in general you are right about fighting mislynch. If I am all but certain to be mislynched sooner or later, then sooner may be better, especially if there's something worthwhile to be learned from the bandwagon.

LOL you pretty much confirmed yourself as scum in this post. If you were town and actually considered me scum you'd think that succesfully getting me lynched would close to confirm you as being town. However, if you're scum who pretends to be thinking that I'm scum but actually knows that I'm not you'd make

exactly

this kind of slip, knowing that

even if

you get me lynched, you'll be up next once I flip.

Please attempt to explain yourself out of this one.

VOTE: ff

Sure, but (from hypothetical town fery's viewpoint) you aren't getting lynched unless fery goes first because there isn't enough support for your lynch

Close. I was saying that if I'm wrong about bulder and he was lynched today and flipped town then my lynch tomorrow would be 2 mislynches and likely all that town could afford. So, if I'm getting mislynched better sooner than later and let the course corrections fall where they do the most good.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Nero

Can the three of us truce for the remainder of the day

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Nero

Can the three of us truce for the remainder of the day

I'll try to keep the occasional fit of paranoia in check.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I mean, as much as I would hate to be driving myself out of a correct lynch right now, it would fucking suck if the three of us were town and we lost to like lurker/deltabacon

Buldemar, thoughts?