Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[Syryana]

I think the main problem here is that we've got zero good info from Lurker, Nero, Deltabacon.

Vote Count 1.16

fferyllt [3/5] - Deltabacon, Nero, buldermar
buldermar [2/5] - Lurker, SafetyDance
Lurker [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
pitoli [1/5] - Syryana

Pacifists (Not Voting): pitoli, fferyllt

-Angry P

[Nero]

I hope it slows down, because I am staying for the long haul.

I can't decide who's the more aggravating player, you or Nero.

I am going to post some material: Don't worry.

hi

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I wish you two could find more common ground than you have so far.

I wish he'd wake up and agree to lynch you.

If you're going to waste the next 10 days trying to figure out who could be my scum buddy instead of scum hunting, then I wish he'd agree to lynch me too. Confirmation bias ftl.

Sorry bulder look elsewhere we're PLing today

And just so you know, Nero lynch is also a PL because for him, intentional trolling may not be alignment indicative, only anti-town. Anti-town and scummy are two different things.

It's lurker or Nero, both I can dig if it really comes down to it, but lurker is my preference. Not a strong one particularly though

Or we could wait for lurker to be replaced and for bacon to come off VLA and for more info from Syryana (who I really need to reply to and I think has started giving some good points).

Oh and syryana is same alignment as fery because if fery town, syryana's suspicions look legit and I trust fery's read, and obviously if fery scum the interaction is too awkward for me to accept

Do scum have day talk?

Pedit: I like syryana

[Syryana]

Sorry bulder look elsewhere we're PLing today

And just so you know, Nero lynch is also a PL because for him, intentional trolling may not be alignment indicative, only anti-town. Anti-town and scummy are two different things.

It's lurker or Nero, both I can dig if it really comes down to it, but lurker is my preference. Not a strong one particularly though

Or we could wait for lurker to be replaced and for bacon to come off VLA and for more info from Syryana (who I really need to reply to and I think has started giving some good points).

Oh and syryana is same alignment as fery because if fery town, syryana's suspicions look legit and I trust fery's read, and obviously if fery scum the interaction is too awkward for me to accept

Do scum have day talk?

Pedit: I like syryana

My main problem with Lurker is that I got him mislynched (I was scum, him town) in another game for doing exactly what he's doing here. He's great mislynch material because he lurks all game then under pressure shits out some awful logic. His lurking is about as alignment indicative as Nero's trolling.

[buldermar]

I wish you two could find more common ground than you have so far.

I wish he'd wake up and agree to lynch you.

If you're going to waste the next 10 days trying to figure out who could be my scum buddy instead of scum hunting, then I wish he'd agree to lynch me too. Confirmation bias ftl.

Scum hunting as in doing things accompanied by insisting that I only do these things as town or scum hunting as in stating that "I'm town"?

[buldermar]

Though in general I agree that someone using the excuse that "I'd never do something that dumb as scum, so I must be town" is pretty alarming, it's honestly your presence in the game that moves me to think it's genuine. I don't see FFscum making a move like that when she knows you'd be all over her for it. Yes, it's still a WIFOM argument; we could go at this all day and not convince each other. I'm getting a gut town read from it though so I'd prefer not to lynch FF at this time.

As long as you admit it boils down to pure WIFOM you've made a correct logical deduction that ff is yet to make. fwiw I can definitely see scum-ff make a move like this.

[Syryana]

As long as you admit it boils down to pure WIFOM you've made a correct logical deduction that ff is yet to make. fwiw I can definitely see scum-ff make a move like this.

Yes, it is pure WIFOM. And I'm going from her site meta. I understand you've played with FF a lot elsewhere?

[buldermar]

I never said you had a town read on her. I was referring to the number of times you pointed out her skills and that you used it as a reason not to lynch her. In my experience the more you get to know someone, the more they get to know you, and they correspondingly get better at fooling you. My reaction in a situation where a really good player I know is acting strange is paranoia, not "save her she's awesome and if we mislynch her we're losing such a great player." That's what gave me the heebie jeebies about your earlier reactions w.r.t. FF.

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

[fferyllt]

I wish you two could find more common ground than you have so far.

I wish he'd wake up and agree to lynch you.

If you're going to waste the next 10 days trying to figure out who could be my scum buddy instead of scum hunting, then I wish he'd agree to lynch me too. Confirmation bias ftl.

Scum hunting as in doing things accompanied by insisting that I only do these things as town or scum hunting as in stating that "I'm town"?

that hurt my brain to read. I really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with you. It's kinda humorous that you're slagging me for repeatedly replying "I'm town" to all your posts that boil down to "You're scum".

*This is probably the longest D1 of a micro game ever

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

[Syryana]

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

VOTE: Nero seems like a decent suggestion.

[buldermar]

And just so you know, Nero lynch is also a PL because for him, intentional trolling may not be alignment indicative, only anti-town. Anti-town and scummy are two different things.

While it is true that anti-town behavior and scummy behavior are different matters, he has also avoided questions in a non-trolling manner which

is

indicative of alignment.

[Syryana]

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

While I agree that knowing a player's competence is good, your description of FF in the early game seemed excessive, to put it mildly.

[buldermar]

Oh and syryana is same alignment as fery because if fery town, syryana's suspicions look legit and I trust fery's read, and obviously if fery scum the interaction is too awkward for me to accept

If you really think this is true then not lynching one of them would be utterly retarded.

[buldermar]

As long as you admit it boils down to pure WIFOM you've made a correct logical deduction that ff is yet to make. fwiw I can definitely see scum-ff make a move like this.

Yes, it is pure WIFOM. And I'm going from her site meta. I understand you've played with FF a lot elsewhere?

I've played

some

with her elsewhere and discussed theory with her.

[Nero]

Any suggestions on how to make it a more productive and less long-winded game day?

VOTE: Nero seems like a decent suggestion.

a pretty terrible one if you ask me

[buldermar]

that hurt my brain to read. I really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with you. It's kinda humorous that you're slagging me for repeatedly replying "I'm town" to all your posts that boil down to "You're scum".

If you really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with me, then why are you going into a protracted slapfest with me?

[buldermar]

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

While I agree that knowing a player's competence is good, your description of FF in the early game seemed excessive, to put it mildly.

That's fair, but I think most of you are still underestimating her. In particular, I think orc allowed himself to be manipulated into unvoting her due to a neat little stunt she made in which she suddently changed her opinion of me while insisting that she could have gotten me lynched if she wanted to and therefore must be town.

[Syryana]

a pretty terrible one if you ask me

Good thing no one asked you then.

[Syryana]

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

While I agree that knowing a player's competence is good, your description of FF in the early game seemed excessive, to put it mildly.

That's fair, but I think most of you are still underestimating her. In particular, I think orc allowed himself to be manipulated into unvoting her due to a neat little stunt she made in which she suddently changed her opinion of me while insisting that she could have gotten me lynched if she wanted to and therefore must be town.

I will investigate this.

[Syryana]

Alright, enlighten me then: what changed your read of me so drastically if not hopes of not getting lynched?

Other than that, I agree that Nero should be looked at should you flip town. Actually IIRC I have a question to ask you specifically about Nero, I'll see if I can find it.

If my motivation were to not get lynched I would still be sledging you, because I think I could probably swing another vote or two your direction. My earlier interpretation of your posts may be wrong, but it's plausible and I felt sure a few hours ago that it was right. As town, losing that conviction takes away all interest in trying to swing another vote or two.

"I'm not scum because if I were I'd be trying to mislynch you still."

She does seem to have a lot of "I'm not scum because I would have done X as scum" doesn't she?

[fferyllt]

that hurt my brain to read. I really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with you. It's kinda humorous that you're slagging me for repeatedly replying "I'm town" to all your posts that boil down to "You're scum".

If you really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with me, then why are you going into a protracted slapfest with me?

It's a good point. I keep thinking that you'll take it as a scummy admission if I stop replying to you but I don't think you could possibly become more convinced that I'm scum. Maybe we could talk about something else? Like what it would take for you and orcinus to reach consensus on who to lynch? Or what inputs we need from quiet players?

I think orcinus does have a point about Nero's occasional non-obstructive post. I have a question up-thread for SD about Nero. And deltabacon is supposed to be back on the 8th.

It sounds unlikely that we'll get anything from Lurker that is role indicative on day 1, but I should probably read some old threads anyway.

Maybe we can nibble away at some of the uncertainties and question marks.

[Syryana]

It's a good point. I keep thinking that you'll take it as a scummy admission if I stop replying to you but I don't think you could possibly become more convinced that I'm scum. Maybe we could talk about something else? Like what it would take for you and orcinus to reach consensus on who to lynch? Or what inputs we need from quiet players?

You seem inordinately concerned about buldermar thinking you're scum. This also implies you're trying to tailor your actions to make buldermar think you're town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sorry bulder look elsewhere we're PLing today

And just so you know, Nero lynch is also a PL because for him, intentional trolling may not be alignment indicative, only anti-town. Anti-town and scummy are two different things.

It's lurker or Nero, both I can dig if it really comes down to it, but lurker is my preference. Not a strong one particularly though

Or we could wait for lurker to be replaced and for bacon to come off VLA and for more info from Syryana (who I really need to reply to and I think has started giving some good points).

Oh and syryana is same alignment as fery because if fery town, syryana's suspicions look legit and I trust fery's read, and obviously if fery scum the interaction is too awkward for me to accept

Do scum have day talk?

Pedit: I like syryana

My main problem with Lurker is that I got him mislynched (I was scum, him town) in another game for doing exactly what he's doing here. He's great mislynch material because he lurks all game then under pressure shits out some awful logic. His lurking is about as alignment indicative as Nero's trolling.

So why exactly are you voting Nero instead of lurker

[orcinus_theoriginal]

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

While I agree that knowing a player's competence is good, your description of FF in the early game seemed excessive, to put it mildly.

That's fair, but I think most of you are still underestimating her. In particular, I think orc allowed himself to be manipulated into unvoting her due to a neat little stunt she made in which she suddently changed her opinion of me while insisting that she could have gotten me lynched if she wanted to and therefore must be town.

I don't have a town read on fery if that's what you're asking

[Syryana]

So why exactly are you voting Nero instead of lurker

Because Lurker's matching his townplay right now and he's provided more to the game than Nero has.