Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[fferyllt]

No you are not.

Vote Count 1.17

fferyllt [3/5] - Deltabacon, Nero, buldermar
buldermar [2/5] - Lurker, SafetyDance
Lurker [1/5] - Syryana
SafetyDance [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal

Pacifists (Not Voting): pitoli, fferyllt

-Angry P

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Cool lets wagon

Maybe lurker will replace out

[Syryana]

ISO'ing SD.

[fferyllt]

You know what's weird about SD?

In all his bile I don't think he's taken a single shot at me.

VOTE: SafetyDance

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know what's weird about SD?

In all his bile I don't think he's taken a single shot at me.

VOTE: SafetyDance

Yeah iirc he said he had a town read on you in his entrance. But then something changed?

[buldermar]

Alright, enlighten me then: what changed your read of me so drastically if not hopes of not getting lynched?

Other than that, I agree that Nero should be looked at should you flip town. Actually IIRC I have a question to ask you specifically about Nero, I'll see if I can find it.

If my motivation were to not get lynched I would still be sledging you, because I think I could probably swing another vote or two your direction. My earlier interpretation of your posts may be wrong, but it's plausible and I felt sure a few hours ago that it was right. As town, losing that conviction takes away all interest in trying to swing another vote or two.

"I'm not scum because if I were I'd be trying to mislynch you still."

She does seem to have a lot of "I'm not scum because I would have done X as scum" doesn't she?

That's what I'm saying, and I think it's backwards to do something and then claim to be town beacuse of it in the same breath.

[fferyllt]

I don't think anything's changed. But his insults haven't had a "you're scum" tinge to them for the most part.

Aside from his stated town read, it's almost like I'm not here. The posts of mine that he's quoted/responded to are null wrt alignment IMO.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No he included you in the "list" under "scummy"

I'm putting that in quotations because literally it is too terrible to be the work of even the worst town player.

[fferyllt]

No he included you in the "list" under "scummy"

I'm putting that in quotations because literally it is too terrible to be the work of even the worst town player.

That kinda fits with the 'not here' vibe in a way. I'm almost certainly going to be lynched, though maybe not today. He's distanced himself from that. Nobody else has done so quite that emphatically, except maybe pitoli.

[buldermar]

that hurt my brain to read. I really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with you. It's kinda humorous that you're slagging me for repeatedly replying "I'm town" to all your posts that boil down to "You're scum".

If you really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with me, then why are you going into a protracted slapfest with me?

It's a good point. I keep thinking that you'll take it as a scummy admission if I stop replying to you but I don't think you could possibly become more convinced that I'm scum. Maybe we could talk about something else? Like what it would take for you and orcinus to reach consensus on who to lynch? Or what inputs we need from quiet players?

I think orcinus does have a point about Nero's occasional non-obstructive post. I have a question up-thread for SD about Nero. And deltabacon is supposed to be back on the 8th.

It sounds unlikely that we'll get anything from Lurker that is role indicative on day 1, but I should probably read some old threads anyway.

Maybe we can nibble away at some of the uncertainties and question marks.

I think the one thing that stands out to me aside from specific posts is the fact that you've been uncharacteristically inconsistent with your scum reads. I really doubt you can make me change my mind, but I'll at the very least try to read your posts carefully and think about them. I guess I'll try to be less hostile too - mostly I'm just frustrated because I feel like I've pointed out several things pointing towards you being scum that is being overlooked or ignored (although syr does seem to be digging into things now).

I've thought about orc and I reaching consensus and I think it is going to be difficult. Lynching deltabacon or Lurker would logically make sense if I had a town read on you because they would be that much more likely to be scum, but since I don't it really doesn't make sense to lynch either of them when we in my opinion should be lynching you. I'm still open for lynching Nero because I still think he made a scum slip in being inconsistent with his trolling behavior.

I didn't like the fact that pitoli omitted voting when he FoS'ed Syr in 517, but according to Syr it's not alignment indicative and right now I'm inclined to trust that Syr is town and isn't making up falsifiable meta-reads on pitoli (in addition, if Syr was scum it wouldn't make much sense for him to do this in the first place).

[Syryana]

Yeah, I'm with Orcinus on this one. SD's been super aggressive against everyone for no apparent reason.

Also, there's this:

SD:
I'm universally town read and so is buldermar if you need to sheep, we're good targets

We have two prof lurkers in town, Lurker and Nero.

Fery is an experienced player with a good town game, claimed VT after getting to l-1, I don't want to lynch but buldermar does. I built case first (ill find it later), buldermar argued that fery shouldn't be lynched because she could be a boon to town. We've basically swapped positions since.

This is the thing,

why

? Because all I'm getting from fferyllt is a town read. So why are you two town? And I never blazeningly sheep for the sake of it.

Followed by:

SD: T->S list and your opinion on a syryana or deltabacon lynch

Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal
Possible scum in: nero, Lurker
No idea: pitoli, Deltabacon, Syryana

Blatant contradiction. Nothing in his "in-between" posts justifies this flip-flop. Forgot he originally had FF as townread. Get the rope.

VOTE: SafetyDance

[buldermar]

In my opinion knowing that she's awesome is important regardless of her alignment.

While I agree that knowing a player's competence is good, your description of FF in the early game seemed excessive, to put it mildly.

That's fair, but I think most of you are still underestimating her. In particular, I think orc allowed himself to be manipulated into unvoting her due to a neat little stunt she made in which she suddently changed her opinion of me while insisting that she could have gotten me lynched if she wanted to and therefore must be town.

I don't have a town read on fery if that's what you're asking

Do you really think you will have an easier time reading her on day 2 than Lurker or Nero? Because if you don't I really don't understand why your vote is not on her. If you do I'll continue to insist that you're underestimating her skills.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi buld talk to me about 627

And maybe the SD wagon

Pedit: I do, trust me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Or don't trust me I don't care

But I'm confident with maybe 80% accuracy that I will be able to correctly deduce fery's alignment given one more day

[buldermar]

Lets just clear up where I stand on the whole fery situation and why I don't want her lynch today

If nothing changes, I want fery gone at some point in time. I think she's scummy. Less so than before.

I am, however, unwilling to lynch fery unless I am 100% sure or unless we're heading into lylo or something. This is because of several reasons.

Firstly, keeping fery around gives me a better read not just on her, but also, in the event that she's scum, on other players.

Secondly, we have several players right now that we simply just cannot read. We CANNOT read lurker. We can BARELY read Nero. Bacon is VLA. SD has intellectual lapses.

We need to lynch in lurker and Nero today because we have no way of determining their alliance, no way of ascertaining anything from their posts. This is not true for fery.

Lurker and Nero WILL be lynched at some point in time. Given thei lack of usefulness of their posts, it's best that that lynch happens today

I was under the impression that you were unwilling to lynch Nero. Is this incorrect or correct?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also on Nero/lurker

I thought it over. I firmly believe that if we were to policy, we should policy lurker

The thing is, many people have expressed that they would like to lynch Nero and not lurker. Scum must recognize that town will not policy lynch twice in a 9p micro.

The optimal strategy for scum during a policy lynch would be to push for an incorrect one

And let's be honest Nero and Lurker are equally trolly, Nero at least answered some questions of mine. And the buldermar vote sucked.

Lurker/fery makes a lot of sense tbh. So if you believe ff scum you should be looking at lurker over Nero.

[buldermar]

^^ I think it contrasts pretty strongly with his play so far in this game.

I'd have to agree with this. Additionally, his sudden vote on me suggests that he's deliberately lurking this game (if we go by the hypothesis that his play deviates from his norm). I still think it's an awful basis for a lynch -_-

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nah before today I was okay with Nero or lurker, leaning towards the latter. Today I realized that if we were to policy we probably only get one shot at it.

[fferyllt]

that hurt my brain to read. I really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with you. It's kinda humorous that you're slagging me for repeatedly replying "I'm town" to all your posts that boil down to "You're scum".

If you really don't want to get into another protracted slapfest with me, then why are you going into a protracted slapfest with me?

It's a good point. I keep thinking that you'll take it as a scummy admission if I stop replying to you but I don't think you could possibly become more convinced that I'm scum. Maybe we could talk about something else? Like what it would take for you and orcinus to reach consensus on who to lynch? Or what inputs we need from quiet players?

I think orcinus does have a point about Nero's occasional non-obstructive post. I have a question up-thread for SD about Nero. And deltabacon is supposed to be back on the 8th.

It sounds unlikely that we'll get anything from Lurker that is role indicative on day 1, but I should probably read some old threads anyway.

Maybe we can nibble away at some of the uncertainties and question marks.

I think the one thing that stands out to me aside from specific posts is the fact that you've been uncharacteristically inconsistent with your scum reads. I really doubt you can make me change my mind, but I'll at the very least try to read your posts carefully and think about them. I guess I'll try to be less hostile too - mostly I'm just frustrated because I feel like I've pointed out several things pointing towards you being scum that is being overlooked or ignored (although syr does seem to be digging into things now).

I've thought about orc and I reaching consensus and I think it is going to be difficult. Lynching deltabacon or Lurker would logically make sense if I had a town read on you because they would be that much more likely to be scum, but since I don't it really doesn't make sense to lynch either of them when we in my opinion should be lynching you. I'm still open for lynching Nero because I still think he made a scum slip in being inconsistent with his trolling behavior.

I didn't like the fact that pitoli omitted voting when he FoS'ed Syr in 517, but according to Syr it's not alignment indicative and right now I'm inclined to trust that Syr is town and isn't making up falsifiable meta-reads on pitoli (in addition, if Syr was scum it wouldn't make much sense for him to do this in the first place).

My lack of strong scum reads aside from a hellacious fit of paranoia about you has bothered me too. It's why I am not too excited with the policy lynch idea right now. I've had a feeling that scum aren't really even in the frame atm which imo points in the direction of deltabacon, SD and pitoli.

[buldermar]

pitoli, what do you think of Nero?

What do I think of Nero? I'm confused whether he's actually motivated by his wincondition or not. The occasional non-trollish post by him isn't actually meant to be helpful; it looks more self-preservatory from this angle. I do think it's something scum Nero would do to push the policy lynch onto Lurker.

Thanks.

[buldermar]

I mean, my posting style from some of my early games has changed drastically so a comparison between this and an early town game would paint me as scum.

Comparison isn't valid.

Pedit: just vote lurker.

Wow. I just went and looked at Lurker's more recent ongoings, and

damn

his posting style has changed since the last game I played with him.

VOTE: Lurker

I don't mean to be that obnoxious fucker pointing to rules, but this really is borderline of talking about ongoing games.

[buldermar]

Can you link to the game you are talking about, Syryana.

Don't do this unless it's finished.

[buldermar]

Can you link to the game you are talking about, Syryana.

Street Racers

This is an ongoing game (note that it doesn't matter whether he is alive or dead in the game). I don't personally want you banned, but don't do this.

[fferyllt]

I thought that game had ended.

[buldermar]

Sorry Judge Judy but you don't *decide* that the whole town is lynching based on Policy. That is a terrible assumption and with over a week out from deadline is nothing short of ridiculous.

Guess who's back, back again, guess who's back, tell a friend.