/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Tammy]

What's frustrating is that both of them left their vote on someone who isn't getting lynched. And I have a sneaking feeling they're both laughing at us trying to figure out which one we should lynch when they would both flip scum.

[Tammy]

I think they both have a decent chance of flipping scum.

I agree but I'm a waffly baby and I actually really want to get this right. I hope this turns out like the time we deadline lynched Zach in Castle Zar and he came back scum.

Yeah me too. Oh and since you're bringing the waffles this time, I can supply the syrup!

[Empire]

What's frustrating is that both of them left their vote on someone who isn't getting lynched. And I have a sneaking feeling they're both laughing at us trying to figure out which one we should lynch when they would both flip scum.

This really bugs the shit out of me too, both of those votes are awful. Nacho's because the DV vote seemingly came from nowhere + his case sucks, CES's because reading over his play it feels like the N/OGML scumread is always going to be there no matter what which is weird for a guy who considers consistency a scumtell (his reads have been pretty static this whole game too).

[Empire]

I'm fairly sure he relies on rhetoric as either alignment, but the most he has done here is dodge the claim necessity (which he did Yesterday) and blatantly not claim when DV threatened to hammer and he was online Today. Not much pragmatism for scum CES in that line of thought, is there?

Ugh, yeah you're right in a sense but there's a lot of benefit to not claiming as scum generally (town are naturally going to be afraid of possibly lynching a PR + remember how people reacted to N's refusal to claim?). I think it's something he knows he can get away with too if he's scum.

[Tammy]

I'm fairly sure he relies on rhetoric as either alignment, but the most he has done here is dodge the claim necessity (which he did Yesterday) and blatantly not claim when DV threatened to hammer and he was online Today. Not much pragmatism for scum CES in that line of thought, is there?

Ugh, yeah you're right in a sense but there's a lot of benefit to not claiming as scum generally (town are naturally going to be afraid of possibly lynching a PR + remember how people reacted to N's refusal to claim?). I think it's something he knows he can get away with too if he's scum.

I agree with this. I remember him telling me that he would mock someone who insisted he claim when run up. He was scum when he said that though, so dunno where I'm going with it. But I think the point is that I don't think the not claiming is a town tell. (I'm tipsy sorry if I'm not making sense.)

[Tammy]

Okay so for who's left. I have good town reads on: Tierce, Empire, Zach and Llamarble. Seriously if anyone of them are scum...fml.

I'd also like to believe that Benmage and deasvail are town. Benmage because of some earlier interactions and because I like to believe people have integrity when they say they do. Yes, I'm a sucker, I know. Also, deasvail is just reading like his town self to me mostly, though there are times when I go hmmm...

So really OGML, Nacho, CES and Shadoweh exist in this black hole of you seem pretty scummy are you plane of existence. The last three though actually work quite nicely as partners?

[Faraday]

Day 3, Votecount 14

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Llamarble, Shadoweh, Zachrulez, OhGodMylife

OhGodMyLife (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum

Nachomamma8 (4) - Benmage, Deasvail, Tierce, Tammy

Deasvail (1) - Nachomamma8

Not voting (1) :

Empire

• With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 7th of April at 3:59am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-04-06 23:59:59)
  
• NO ONE is V/la

[Zachrulez]

I hope people are actually around to make a lynch happen within the next few hours.

[Tierce]

I'll be around.

Empire, I've seen CES tunnel as Town quite a bit. Remember d3x? I also see him do the same in Chrono Trigger Resurrection and Newbie 1236, for example. It's a matter of not getting his lynch and yet keeping at it doggedly; do you really think CES-scum would push on as lousy a target as OGML?

But YOLO. I already facepalmed my way at the penguin_alien lynch, I won't be too sad if CES dies Today either.

[Tammy]

I'll be around.

And, I know it's not addressed to me, but I've seen ces!scum doggedly go after a lousy target.

[Empire]

I'll be around for a little bit longer because I'm already late to what I was supposed to go to tonight, but it's a party so I don't think anyone will care. I'll vote within the next 30 minutes.

Do you really think CES-scum would push on as lousy a target as OGML?

Yes. He did that in that Westeros game Tammy referenced from memory (Tammy can correct me if I'm wrong here).

[Empire]

I also think he generally pushed weak/easy targets in NY 155 too.

[Tierce]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have better things to do than defend CES and will hammer if needed, etc. But I'd prefer that Nacholynch.

[Tammy]

Do you really think CES-scum would push on as lousy a target as OGML?

Yes. He did that in that Westeros game Tammy referenced from memory (Tammy can correct me if I'm wrong here).

No, you're right. I've seen him do it twice, but that is one game I was thinking of. The only caveat to that game is that it was multiball, but it was still a focus on bad play and disregarding towntells that were dropped (and it was the first vote he dropped in rvs and the lynch he pushed regardless)

[Tammy]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How do you do that shrug?

[Tierce]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How do you do that shrug?

Hunt down an hitogoroshi game or someone who uses it and ctrl+c. Alternatively, hunt down hito himself.

[Empire]

Feh, ok, I've decided.

Vote: Nacho

I don't have time to go into detail for why I'm picking this vote over CES since I really have to go but I think him and CES are both good shots at hitting scum, if you guys want to rush lynch CES without me I won't really care.

Zach is basically confirmed town via Vi's result (though I also agree with Tierce that this is Zach playing to his town-meta). Tammy and Tierce are town. These are all non-negotiable.

I have weaker townreads on DV, Llamarble, and Benmage, but DV is slowly inching towards the non-negotiable pile and I think Llamarble is heading there too last time I reread him. OGML might be town too but I really just wish he'd post more for me to get a better handle on him.

That leaves CES, Nacho, and Shadoweh, which takes me back to where I was a while ago. I don't know what to think of Shadoweh. Yeah I know she isn't bad as scum but there's a bit of stuff in her ISO that reads really genuine to me which makes me think I'm wrong about someone else. I've been trying to figure out who I could be wrong about but it hasn't led me anywhere, since there's just a lot that looks town here.

I know the chances of me dying tonight are pretty much 0 but I wanted to lay this out since this is going to be my last post.

I fucking hope to the god I don't believe in that this is a scum flip. Otherwise, I'm going to bawl.

[Zachrulez]

Welp...

Unvote Vote: Nacho

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[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Nacho

It would have had more effect if I did it right the first time...

[Tammy]

I fucking hope to the god I don't believe in that this is a scum flip. Otherwise, I'm going to bawl.

A+ made me laugh

[Empire]

I WAS SERIOUS

OK LATER

[Tammy]

i know that's why it was funny

[Tammy]

also i'm tipsy

[Empire]

YOU ARE THE MEANEST PERSON

OK LEAVING NOW FOR REAL, BYE

[Faraday]

Day 3, Votecount 15

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - Llamarble, Shadoweh, OhGodMylife
OhGodMyLife (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum

Nachomamma8 (6) - Benmage, Deasvail, Tierce, Tammy, Empire, Zachrulez

Deasvail (1) - Nachomamma8

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 7th of April at 3:59am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-04-06 23:59:59)
  
• NO ONE is V/la