Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Deras]

@Rev, what do you think of the GM/ff exchanges that happened while you were gone?

[Mac]

What the hell is #492 Carey? Seriously?

[ArcAngel9]

Town > Mac > Fropome > Deras > Revenus = Carey = ArcAngel > ffer > GM > Scum

ArcAngel looks like terrible town. Deras looks like he's at least trying. Revenus I don't like the playstyle of, but it feels like it's coming from a more townish direction. If Mac and Fropome are scum they are doing an extraordinary job in coming off as genuinely town to me.

GM/ffer cooled down way too easily for me. Way, way too easily. I don't like ffer's unvote based on meta, mainly because I have a strong disdain for any meta beyond the kind that Carey shows. The people in this game are self-aware enough to use the knowledge of their meta to their own advantage, and I feel both of these players have been trying to push their metas at us too much. As it stands now after my thorough re-reading, I'm seeing them very strongly as the scum pair. In case they aren't both scum, I'm definitely leaning more towards GM being scum. A lot of her posts suggest that she feels she knows more than we do. Maybe some of that's due to experience, but it feels like it's more than that. As for specifics, I'll point to the sigbet which is conveniently void if she's scum. I asked for specific terms for an entirely different reason, and managed to wheedle out that her sigbet is effectively a null-proposition when she knows it's wrong. I had assumed she lost if she were scum since she wasn't in the specified set. Just her whole attitude about this topic screamed "I know more than you" as I re-read.

I still don't like Carey's lack of actually playing, but given that his wagon has no traction and I have a stronger scum read now...

VOTE: goodmorning

Firstly, I am "SHE" not "HE"
And explain me why i am terrible town? What have i done that you think is town and what is exactly is the terrible.

Btw, I do like your theory of GM/ffer possible bussing, I am not sure abut FFER but i know GM is capable of bussing. so i ll keep my options open for that.

[Revenus]

@Rev, what do you think of the GM/ff exchanges that happened while you were gone?

Mind summarizing it for me?

[fferyllt]

Town > Mac > Fropome > Deras > Revenus = Carey = ArcAngel > ffer > GM > Scum

ArcAngel looks like terrible town. Deras looks like he's at least trying. Revenus I don't like the playstyle of, but it feels like it's coming from a more townish direction. If Mac and Fropome are scum they are doing an extraordinary job in coming off as genuinely town to me.

GM/ffer cooled down way too easily for me. Way, way too easily. I don't like ffer's unvote based on meta, mainly because I have a strong disdain for any meta beyond the kind that Carey shows. The people in this game are self-aware enough to use the knowledge of their meta to their own advantage, and I feel both of these players have been trying to push their metas at us too much. As it stands now after my thorough re-reading, I'm seeing them very strongly as the scum pair. In case they aren't both scum, I'm definitely leaning more towards GM being scum. A lot of her posts suggest that she feels she knows more than we do. Maybe some of that's due to experience, but it feels like it's more than that. As for specifics, I'll point to the sigbet which is conveniently void if she's scum. I asked for specific terms for an entirely different reason, and managed to wheedle out that her sigbet is effectively a null-proposition when she knows it's wrong. I had assumed she lost if she were scum since she wasn't in the specified set. Just her whole attitude about this topic screamed "I know more than you" as I re-read.

I still don't like Carey's lack of actually playing, but given that his wagon has no traction and I have a stronger scum read now...

VOTE: goodmorning

Firstly, I am "SHE" not "HE"
And explain me why i am terrible town? What have i done that you think is town and what is exactly is the terrible.

Btw, I do like your theory of GM/ffer possible bussing, I am not sure abut FFER but i know GM is capable of bussing. so i ll keep my options open for that.

I am an epic busser.

Still not liking Mac's lack of response on my posts to him upthread. ArcAngel, however has made a substantive post without addressing my posts to her.

VOTE: ArcAngel

[Revenus]

Btw, I do like your theory of GM/ffer possible bussing, I am not sure abut FFER but i know GM is capable of bussing. so i ll keep my options open for that.

That's really dumb, considering the way they've been going at each other.

What kind of scumteam does that? None. At most there's one scum in that pair.

[CareyHammer]

What the hell is #492 Carey? Seriously?

I know, I know. I suck at this game.

[Revenus]

I know where you getting to.. I am not going to say it is not a posssiblity.
But like i said, both the newbies can't be scum which is highly unlikley, but both the scum can be in SE & IC which is likely but these could be pretty much assumptions what i can confirmly look at right now that there is at least one scum in out of 2 SE's and 1 IC, which narrow down my hunt to 3 people out of 9, Once we take down the first scum, and based on how the bussing or budding went throuh, it is possible to assume the other scum easily.

Looking at Arc's posts, she has mainly just pushed this idea; the fact that one of the se/ics MUST be scum. Guess what? If it's truly randomized, then two newbies are equally as likely as one newbie/one se/ic. Nearly everytime someone has pushed some "math/odds" based cases, they've been scum.

Why? It allows scum to pretend to scumhunt on the crutch of this; you really want to just narrow your scumhunt on the three most experienced players in the game? That's really bad. So bad it's suspicious.

Fos:Arc

pedit:Carey: if you're town, please replace out.

[Revenus]

Sorry, this

Nearly everytime someone has pushed some "math/odds" based cases, they've been scum.

I want to EBWOP

meant to say that in my past games, this has been true.

[Mac]

Can you point out these questions ff, apparently I'm shit at finding things.

[CareyHammer]

If you want me gone, you are going to have to mis-lynch me.

[Revenus]

It's only a mislynch if we lynch town, bro.

[fferyllt]

@Mac, here:

Mac, what is your read on Carey?

@Mac, a quick review of your posts since I asked this question indicates you didn't answer this.

Sorry, totally thought I did. Null-leaning-scum. Needs to post more. Needs more content. Posts like #334 are fucking useless to us all.

In #88 that wasn't your case. We've debunked that and decided the two posts were similar.

VOTE: VOTE: fferyllt

"We've".

Interesting pronoun choice. Who is "We"?

In a quick read back through this, I am seeing your case as "fferyllt accussed GM of going after n00bs but made a post that could also be interpreted as going after n00bs", though both my votes so far have been on experienced players.

If this is true, (and I of course disagree), then you are accusing me of hypocrisy. And your reasoning from there looks like "hypocrisy is scummy".

I'd ask you if you really think a scum player would jump on something a town player did and call it scummy if the scum player was doing the same thing. But, apparently you do think exactly that. Or you are pretending to.

"We've" is just me referring to me debunking it for the town as I thought I had done but yeah, I have to re-read because some people have said I'm misrepping you.

To clarify the hypocrisy, the way I see it goes like this:

Deras - some objectively scummy posts (the OMGUS in particular) but comes off pretty n00b despite playing a few games several years ago. In reading parts of a couple of those games, I got the same sense of earnest effort that I've seen here. Good recovery in his more recent posts, which is also not alignment indicative. Town or scum, he should be doing that.

Looking scummy

goodmorning -

easy targets

and staying away from Carey whose posts have been terrible, and Deras whose bandwagon looked like it had legs there for a bit. Encouragement of the Deras wagon without joining it comes off as subtle manipulation.

Carey - no content. excuses. OMGUS vote on Eye. He'd be hard pressed to look worse. It's like he's trying to look so bad that players will think "he can't possibly be scum. No scum player would do that - it's too obviously scummy".

I clarified "easy target" as Carey and Deras (which could be the exact post of misrep here) and then you name Carey as scummy and Deras as null (but I believe you said null-leaning scum at one point) - this is where I find it a bit hypocritical if you were referring to Carey and Deras as easy targets. Regardless of whether or not you have your vote on experienced players, .it's contradictory. Scum tend to trip over themselves when trying to form a case against a town player (assuming you are scum, GM is town and I'm not misrepping you) - this is what I'm getting at.

Of course. All this hinges on you clarifying who you meant as easy targets.

I'm not sure how you came to Fropome because he's pretty capable from what I've seen.

You seem to have dropped trying to continue your case on me. I say Fropome is inexperienced. That is borne out in his own description of his previous games. You counter that he's capable. He's still a n00b and he's still one of two n00b players that GM went after. I was after experienced players at the time you claimed I was doing the same thing GM was doing and voting her for it.

Your case doesn't hold water. And your vote looks pretty iffy, even though it's me saying it.

[CareyHammer]

Looking at Arc's posts, she has mainly just pushed this idea; the fact that one of the se/ics MUST be scum. Guess what? If it's truly randomized, then two newbies are equally as likely as one newbie/one se/ic. Nearly everytime someone has pushed some "math/odds" based cases, they've been scum.

Why? It allows scum to pretend to scumhunt on the crutch of this; you really want to just narrow your scumhunt on the three most experienced players in the game? That's really bad. So bad it's suspicious.

Fos:Arc

Why don't you put your vote behind your FOS?

[Revenus]

Because my vote is on you, comprende?

[CareyHammer]

From what I've seen before, this is probably a town on town battle. I'm sure scum is laughing at us.

[fferyllt]

From what I've seen before, this is probably a town on town battle. I'm sure scum is laughing at us.

If you think it is town-on-town then who do you think is scum? And who is your towniest read?

[Mac]

fferyllt:

Spoiler: wall

Mac, what is your read on Carey?

@Mac, a quick review of your posts since I asked this question indicates you didn't answer this.

Sorry, totally thought I did. Null-leaning-scum. Needs to post more. Needs more content. Posts like #334 are fucking useless to us all.

In #88 that wasn't your case. We've debunked that and decided the two posts were similar.

VOTE: VOTE: fferyllt

"We've".

Interesting pronoun choice. Who is "We"?

In a quick read back through this, I am seeing your case as "fferyllt accussed GM of going after n00bs but made a post that could also be interpreted as going after n00bs", though both my votes so far have been on experienced players.

If this is true, (and I of course disagree), then you are accusing me of hypocrisy. And your reasoning from there looks like "hypocrisy is scummy".

I'd ask you if you really think a scum player would jump on something a town player did and call it scummy if the scum player was doing the same thing. But, apparently you do think exactly that. Or you are pretending to.

"We've" is just me referring to me debunking it for the town as I thought I had done but yeah, I have to re-read because some people have said I'm misrepping you.

To clarify the hypocrisy, the way I see it goes like this:

Deras - some objectively scummy posts (the OMGUS in particular) but comes off pretty n00b despite playing a few games several years ago. In reading parts of a couple of those games, I got the same sense of earnest effort that I've seen here. Good recovery in his more recent posts, which is also not alignment indicative. Town or scum, he should be doing that.

Looking scummy

goodmorning -

easy targets

and staying away from Carey whose posts have been terrible, and Deras whose bandwagon looked like it had legs there for a bit. Encouragement of the Deras wagon without joining it comes off as subtle manipulation.

Carey - no content. excuses. OMGUS vote on Eye. He'd be hard pressed to look worse. It's like he's trying to look so bad that players will think "he can't possibly be scum. No scum player would do that - it's too obviously scummy".

I clarified "easy target" as Carey and Deras (which could be the exact post of misrep here) and then you name Carey as scummy and Deras as null (but I believe you said null-leaning scum at one point) - this is where I find it a bit hypocritical if you were referring to Carey and Deras as easy targets. Regardless of whether or not you have your vote on experienced players, .it's contradictory. Scum tend to trip over themselves when trying to form a case against a town player (assuming you are scum, GM is town and I'm not misrepping you) - this is what I'm getting at.

Of course. All this hinges on you clarifying who you meant as easy targets.

I'm not sure how you came to Fropome because he's pretty capable from what I've seen.

You seem to have dropped trying to continue your case on me. I say Fropome is inexperienced. That is borne out in his own description of his previous games. You counter that he's capable. He's still a n00b and he's still one of two n00b players that GM went after. I was after experienced players at the time you claimed I was doing the same thing GM was doing and voting her for it.

Your case doesn't hold water. And your vote looks pretty iffy, even though it's me saying it.

Spoilered the quote cos it's massive. But like I said, it hinged on who you classed as noob and who you didn't. I wouldn't say capable players are noobs, if they prove themself to be capable.

You did say easy targets which I misinterpreted as Deras and Carey who were on your scumlist, hence the confusion. But you meant Fropome. I can't follow up on a case that is based on a misrep, it wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be town. That was really the only thing that set off my scumbells.

UNVOTE:

Can't decide if Carey deserves a vote or not. What a ridiculous attitude.

[Mac]

Carey why are you flopping about? Like you agree with AA9 saying Rev is leaning scum and then you try and butter him up to get his vote off you and say it's probably townvtown.

[Revenus]

^town post

[CareyHammer]

Still catching up, isoing everyone, etc.

unvote

for now

[Eye Urn]

There's been so little to "catch up" on over the weekend that I'd say Carey is blatantly misrepresenting his availability, but unfortunately that's his meta. Carey's only a decent candidate to be lynched while we don't have a scum read. I agree we'll need to lynch him before we get to LyLo, but we're still a bit off of that and ArcAngel is very scummy. Totally ignores posting in this game while posting numerous times in multiple other games. Quotes something 4 pages ago and doesn't seem to have registered my retraction of the vote. I really like where she claims that I called her a male, when I did no such thing. If I did, it wasn't in the quoted post, and I'm pretty sure I've been aware of her gender this entire game.

Revenus continues to rub me the wrong way, but I just figured out why: he is rather terse. I realized that I tend to have negative opinions of people who post very short messages, as it's usually a sign of someone being the type of person I do not get along with. In contrast to that though, almost all the content of what he's been saying is similar to how I feel, just without going much into detail. So he's somewhat near the top of my Town list now.

Mac continues to say some very town-like things, just not very often. Fropome needs to post more.

[goodmorning]

@Carey: Who is your Towniest read? Who is your Scummiest?

@Fe: Agreeing with someone does not mean they are Town and it's not a good way to read people. Coming from you, a player I'd rank as being pretty competent, that statement is very interesting.

[Eye Urn]

I'm not saying I find him Town solely because I'm agreeing with him. I'm saying I figured out that my scummy reading of him was due solely to how he posts, not his content. I went back and read a bit more of what he posts in other games, and it's really just the same succinct compact bitterness.

[goodmorning]

"Figured out"?

Even more interesting.