Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Piratecat]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

I thought it was a crumb at the time and I still think it easily could have been, but I obviously know it wasn't at this point. You're suggesting that I deliberately pretended to be thinking that it was a crumb - for what purpose exactly? What is the scum motivation for doing so?

I don't see how you could have seen it as a crumb when I said the change in our read was predicated on jal being town. that "breadcrumb" was us visiting the possibility that you might be town. I still you incredibly scummy, like dripping in pondscum scummy and I have thought so since d1. your case on us was terrible and you have been opportunistic as hell with your votes so fuck ya you are scum.

[buldermar]

Buldermar's VT confusion sounds Legit. Reduces my suspicion of him.

What made you suspicious at first and what reduced that suspicion?

[buldermar]

Right, so forget about the bus driver/redirector stuff.

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

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I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

I noticed that too. he stayed away from the d1 end of day shit show as well. but I am pretty sure buldey is scum. and it warms the cockles of my heart that everyone else is starting to come around!

also uber guile uber guile uber guile. <------ he thinks he is being sneaky with his sneaking around but we are onto him!

Oh no sweetheart, can't you go back to your town read on me? I hate when we fight.

[Piratecat]

Also, I've hydra'd with Uber several times before and he was very consistent in neglecting the hydra every time, to some extent. (And so was I, so no offense intended to him obv.)

If that's why people are suspicious of the CG hydra I'd suggest they rethink their reasoning.

it is not just the lack of posts it is the content in them as well.

[buldermar]

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

I think everyone here can figure out that it probably was PirateCat.

wat

we are vt

you are not even paying attention are you

Correct.

[Mac]

I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

1) I along with many others thought Slandaar was town. I also voted Cryo because I found him a better vote but that didn't take off.

2) yeah because waiting for both results is just a MASSIVE scumtell, isn't it? Are you saying that I was scummy for not voting PC?

3) I didn't discredit you, just questioned what the point in waiting til a PC wagon was forming before outing your results.

This wagon is shit.

[buldermar]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

I thought it was a crumb at the time and I still think it easily could have been, but I obviously know it wasn't at this point. You're suggesting that I deliberately pretended to be thinking that it was a crumb - for what purpose exactly? What is the scum motivation for doing so?

I don't see how you could have seen it as a crumb when I said the change in our read was predicated on jal being town. that "breadcrumb" was us visiting the possibility that you might be town. I still you incredibly scummy, like dripping in pondscum scummy and I have thought so since d1. your case on us was terrible and you have been opportunistic as hell with your votes so fuck ya you are scum.

Darling, I love when you talk dirty but I need sensitive care too you know?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't have any overriding scum or town feelings towards Buldermar, but I sure as hell know I don't want him near endgame with the amount of circuituous, highly flawed logic her brings to this game.
Sadly, the alternative to taking him there is taking one of our many lurkers.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi, AN or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

[qwints]

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

Anyone else think Jal tracked Buldemar N1 and got no result?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

Anyone else think Jal tracked Buldemar N1 and got no result?

This is a good catch. Doesn't clear him by any stretch though.

[Knight of Cydonia]

EBWOP:

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi, AN or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

I can understand fitz and AN to some degree, would like to hear more reasoning (or be directed to it if I missed it) on Viomi outside of the hardcore lurking.

[Messiah]

Wait, what has occurred since your vote on PC earlier that made you change your mind Mac?

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KoC, Viomi is Approximately Normal Guy. That slot is probably scum.

[Piratecat]

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi, AN or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

... How could evidence not lead to that conclusion? Slandaar hardcored tunneled us. Slandaar tried to put a fake guilty on us to lynch us during Day 2. Messiah CC'd that result and we were CC'ing way before Messiah came into play.

It's pretty damning we are town.

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I was looking into GiF and realized he was Buld's slot pred. GiF feels scummish to me, but that's due to him asking about flavor and not knowing Locust are bad guys. At least in my flavour PM it mentions Locust which makes me think that the flavour PM of GiF is different and possibly not allied to the Locust. Unless he was just trying to confuse us. >.>

Then we have the talk of the SK regarding cop which felt a bit out of place because a Miller is not a SK, but a Miller is a town who comes up guilty.

I have got to talk this over with Mollie.

@Buld:

Can you paraphrase your flavour without breaking mod rules?

[Piratecat]

OMG FUCK.

Not allied to the COG. ^

[Majiffy]

Can we discuss that all day yesterday Buldermar was trying to downtalk my analysis of the wagons and the gamestate, and trying to weaken any attempt at building a Slandaar wagon again? Yeah? Lets not forget that really obvious bit.

[qwints]

.. How could evidence not lead to that conclusion? Slandaar hardcored tunneled us. Slandaar tried to put a fake guilty on us to lynch us during Day 2. Messiah CC'd that result and we were CC'ing way before Messiah came into play.

Aren't y'all the ones who originally suggested mutli-ball? I could totally see scum-Slandaar faking a guilty on a player he thought was scum on the other side.

[Mac]

...because of the chance of 2 scum teams? or have we just completely forgotten about that? I know there was only one kill n2 but surely that's hinting at doc protection of some sort?

it begs the question: why would Slandaar (scum) tunnel so fucking hard on townPC if he didn't suspect that a) there was another scum team and b) PC was scum? and then fakeclaim some shit that put PC is jeopardy until Messiah disproved it. Slandaar, as much as his cases may not make sense, is not an idiot.

@Messiah: I read back, there are more scummier people. I still have doubts about them though.

Viomi has offered absolutely zero content in her posts so far. The only town like thing she has done was vote Slandaar. Which makes me lean towards an AN vote.

VOTE: AN

[Piratecat]

We were NOT the first person to bring it up.

[Piratecat]

buldey I hate it when we fight too but the kiss but make up afterwards will be great!

supposedly you were reading the game close ennough to form a terribad terri terri terribad meta case on me on d1 but only finding mala's scummy did you forget about all this already

I don't have any overriding scum or town feelings towards Buldermar, but I sure as hell know I don't want him near endgame with the amount of circuituous, highly flawed logic her brings to this game.
Sadly, the alternative to taking him there is taking one of our many lurkers.

I don't understand what you are saying here could you plz rephrase it

[Majiffy]

PirateCat, Goat,

Slandaar

, havingfitz, Buldermar

I'm feeling town on Goat. Still up in the air on PC, so that probably means scum.

If you idiots aren't willing to lynch Buldermar, can we settle for Fitz? He's a little scumbutt too.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Buldermar's logic and approach to this game, while not indicative of his alignment necessarily, detracts from scumhunting as he draws attention onto himself by flailing at anyone who holds an opinion contrary to his. While it is not necessarily scummy, it is anti-town in that it muddies the waters, and therefore I would prefer not to take him to endgame.

[Majiffy]

Do you always hide behind policy?

[Piratecat]

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

Anyone else think Jal tracked Buldemar N1 and got no result?

YES!

doesn't mean he isn't scum though

[Majiffy]

doesn't mean he isn't scum though

Fucking vote him then!