Open 488: Pick Your Poison [GAME OVER]

[Bacde]

I'm actually willing to lynch AP

[Scott Brosius]

@Trikyp
Your vote is bad again...

What am I supposed to do about it?

lol.....

Unvote
Vote: Triykp

I haven't forgotten you baboon

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

WHY IS EVERYONE CALLING ME TRIKYP????

Anyway, um. Yeah. Now I'm stuck.

[Bacde]

Siv is town get off him scott

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

What? Why?

[Bacde]

What? Why?

oh are you saying that you are not town?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

How does that follow?

I'm saying there's not really anything to indicate I'm town, I would think.

[Bacde]

How does that follow?

I'm saying there's not really anything to indicate I'm town, I would think.

your actions and words indicate your alignment

scott is voting you since you have made mostly terrible votes and posts, yet I, having played with you, know that terrible posts and votes tend to be what you do as town

thus scott's reason for voting you isn't indicative of your alignment imo, and thus not a good reason to vote you

are you or are you not town?

[kcudz]

So, Kcuddy, what makes me scummy?

> Ignores my question
> Asks me one, expecting a response
Tell me more.

[Bacde]

So, Kcuddy, what makes me scummy?

> Ignores my question
> Asks me one, expecting a response
Tell me more.

is this post supposed to help us find scum?

[kcudz]

Obviously not.

[Bacde]

Obviously not.

Do you always have this much snark cuz its hard to tell what your opinion actually is buster brown

[FuDuzn]

WHY IS EVERYONE CALLING ME TRIKYP????

Ya come one guys, his name is Severe Dirt Trip. It isn't hard to remember

Also, also what Bacde said about him. In the few games I have played with him he aways comes off as a bit aloof, in his case I don't think it is indictative of his alignment.

Keyblade strikes me as a bit scummy, just seems a bit weird when your name comes up as a vig target you suddenly make a few posts and throwing out scum reads.

Still have a town read on Kcudz, genuinely seems like he is trying to feel himself around town.

Bacde seemed to be coasting along until Scott called him out on trolling, then he appeared to get a bit more serious about the game. That struck me as a bit of an 'interesting' interaction, something to maybe look back at a future date.

AP is

[FuDuzn]

Oops sorry, phone posting and hit submit. Allow me to continue.....

Ap is........a drunk. But a drunk who makes sense in that vigging lurkers doesn't seem like a very good strategy, at least not this early in the game. Not sure why he is trying to figure out possible alts though, seems like needlessly pushing things off topic.

[kcudz]

FuDuzn - why is vigging lurkers not a good strategy? Why isn't early game the BEST time to vig lurkers?

Can you elaborate on your town read on me? I don't get what you're trying to say. What's your read on fuzzy?

[FuDuzn]

Hmm, meant to mention fuzzy. Nothing he has done has reeked of scum, in my experiences he is kind of aloof like Dirt Trip.

Kcudz, you appear to be poking and prodding and not backing down when challenged on your reads/views. And most importantly, in my book, not afraid to mention ideas(like vigging lurkers) that may be perceived as scummy. So as I see it you are either town, or a terrible scum player.

And about vigging lurkers, I have always been of the opinion that it is a bad idea. It is still relatively early in the game and lurkers will either become more active or be replaced.

[kcudz]

So is not backing down on reads/views a trait of a terrible scum player? And if you referenced this ("And most importantly, in my book, not afraid to mention ideas(like vigging lurkers) that may be perceived as scummy") as the reason for your either/or claim, are you essentially saying that I did something scummy enough that you erased any thought of me being scum, because no one is that terrible?

We can agree to disagree on the lurker theory, but the fact of the matter is that vigging non-contributing lurkers/active lurkers early game operates as a town advantage.

[fuzzybutternut]

So is not backing down on reads/views a trait of a terrible scum player? And if you referenced this ("And most importantly, in my book, not afraid to mention ideas(like vigging lurkers) that may be perceived as scummy") as the reason for your either/or claim, are you essentially saying that I did something scummy enough that you erased any thought of me being scum, because no one is that terrible?

We can agree to disagree on the lurker theory, but the fact of the matter is that vigging non-contributing lurkers/active lurkers early game operates as a town advantage.

Actually, no it doesn't. The only way that would work is if you pegged scum, which is unlikely. Anything else and you're just giving scum an extra kill, which =/= helping town.

[kcudz]

Actually, no it doesn't. The only way that would work is if you pegged scum, which is unlikely. Anything else and you're just giving scum an extra kill, which =/= helping town

I have already argued this. And you have evidently not read the game.

If the vig hits scum in a lurker, awesome. Everyone's happy.

If the vig hits town in a lurker, that's still pretty good. Why? Because:
1) It takes out a slot that would be difficult to get a read on.
2) It lessens the pool of potential scum. Town-hunting is harder than scum-hunting.

Keybladewielder is

still

an optimal vig target.

[FuDuzn]

No Kcudz, I am saying that I couldn't see scum putting that idea out there as a possible play. It would be ballsy at the very least, and like I said, a pretty stupid play since I view it as a pretty anti town idea. Scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that on Day 1, in my opinion. Are you trying to convince me that you are scum??

Mind........blown.

Pre Edit: then would he be a good lynch target instead?

[kcudz]

Are you trying to convince me that you are scum??

This is an asinine conclusion to arrive to. All I'm doing is questioning your logic.

KBW would most definitely not be a good lynch target.
1) His interactions with other players tell us close to nothing.
2) It wastes a lynch, whereas we could be lynching targets who have a higher chance of flipping scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Actually, no it doesn't. The only way that would work is if you pegged scum, which is unlikely. Anything else and you're just giving scum an extra kill, which =/= helping town

I have already argued this. And you have evidently not read the game.

If the vig hits scum in a lurker, awesome. Everyone's happy.

If the vig hits town in a lurker, that's still pretty good. Why? Because:
1) It takes out a slot that would be difficult to get a read on.
2) It lessens the pool of potential scum. Town-hunting is harder than scum-hunting.

Keybladewielder is

still

an optimal vig target.

You then take out someone who doesn't have a chance to defend themselves, and may not be able to post because of IRL things. You'd rather have scum get through the night with a kill than to actually scum hunt and find them yourself?

P-Edit: So, you'd want vig to waste a shot, but you're not willing to let town waste a lynch? They're essentially the same thing.

[kcudz]

You then take out someone who doesn't have a chance to defend themselves, and may not be able to post because of IRL things. You'd rather have scum get through the night with a kill than to actually scum hunt and find them yourself?

This is :badlogic:. Everyone in this game has had PLENTY of time to come and defend themselves and provide content. A select few have chosen not to. If RL matters get extreme, then replace out. It's not a hard solution. You are also arriving at inane conclusions.

P-Edit: So, you'd want vig to waste a shot, but you're not willing to let town waste a lynch? They're essentially the same thing.

Again, I have argued this with AP. The vig wouldn't be wasting a shot. The shot is an extra, granted ability. A lynch and a vig-shot are different in many aspects, but the most important is that a lynch requires a town-driven majority. A vig shot is ultimately an independent decision.

Fuzzy gets lynched or shot before LyLo.

[fuzzybutternut]

Your points are moot, Kuddy. Replacing out often does worse for town than getting lynched does, and it stalls the game.

The vig's shot isn't something you should waste on nothing. The vig shot is there to give town the extra advantage and another chance to get scum. They can't do that by just shooting whoever the hell they want to. It's a strategical position.

[kcudz]

Your points are moot, Kuddy. Replacing out often does worse for town than getting lynched does, and it stalls the game.

Tell me more.

The vig's shot isn't something you should waste on nothing. The vig shot is there to give town the extra advantage and another chance to get scum. They can't do that by just shooting whoever the hell they want to. It's a strategical position.

OK, then how do we remove the "nothing"? What if that "nothing" is Town, and scum just keep those irrelevant players alive? Do you advocate that we should just lynch them?
You fail to look at things without evaluating the costs and benefits that both sides offer. Strategically, Town will gain the most edge out of shooting lurkers. It's more often than not helpful to Town, and that's why it's a viable strategy. Using a vig-shot as another shot to get scum is essentially gambling. It really depends on your savviness as a player. The safe bet is to kill the lurker.
Also, using a vigshot as another shot to get scum is essentially what I have been advocating here. Removing lurkers lessens the pool of potential scum and allows for easiers reads. You are failing to read the underlying benefits to what I'm supporting here.
No one is talking about "shooting whoever the hell they want".