Open 488: Pick Your Poison [GAME OVER]

[fuzzybutternut]

So your main suspicion isn't your highest priority? Interesting.

[kcudz]

You've taken it out of context. I explicitly answered why I thought GNR was scum, and that was because my main suspicion *on the slot* was on baboon.

[fuzzybutternut]

and you also said that GNR didn't change that, so, what gives?

[kcudz]

This is the point where an exasperated kcudz just stops explaining himself to fuzzy.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

trying to ward off suspicion saying you're a noob. Why should that matter?

I was not under any suspicion when I said that. Where's the warding?

The defense of it was. You called youself a newb, people questioned it, you continued with the defense of it

Using punctuation as a scum tell. Really?

I used it implicitly to describe an unnatural thought process taking place. That, and it was on page one. What's your point?

What's so unatural of using punctuation? Why was it even brought it up?

Backpedaling on arguments.

Please quote the exact posts.

Post 98 - arguing semantics about the word after presenting it earlier (Post 97)

Also, Shisou vote came out of nowhere

You obviously did not read the thread thoroughly enough.

You didn't make much of a mention of her prior to your vote. (Besides an FoS) Hence, "out of nowhere"

And the game started five days ago. That's not really "PLENTY of time to provide content." Some people can't be on all the time

People have posted several times in that time span. They posted filler. If they post filler, surely they have time to offer an idea/opinion? I don't see where you're going with this.

I'm saying why waste limited shots on people that have no garuntee of flipping scum?

I understand the theory fine. Though I have to wonder if you do

Cool, so you acknowledge the advantages to vigging a lurker? Because you've failed to refute any of the arguments that I've provided.

See below

PEdit: Why do you think two of the three of us are scum? Or really, why do you think any of us are scum?

Read the thread.

I have been. From what I've seen, you haven't really made a case towards any one person. Most of your suscpicions seem to be on people who are asking you questions

Responses in Bold

The problem with vigging scum reads over lurkers is that scum reads are all about perspective. Lurkers are more of a universal issue, per say.
You need to be looking at things through a cost-benefit lens. vigging lurkers are helpful to town because:
1) It eliminates a slot that would otherwise be hard to get a read on,
2) allows Town to turn sights on to other, more pressing prospects,
3) doesn't hurt Town as much as a mis-vig would.

Vigging a scum read is often more fallible and although momentarily satisfying, does not always yield a higher benefit. Vigging the lurkers and/or non-contributers is a safe bet.

1.) Fair enough, but also gets rid of an opportunity for that slot to be replaced and thus be active
2.) We can turn sights elsewhere without shooting a lurker slot
3.) Disagree. See #1

Actually, no it doesn't. The only way that would work is if you pegged scum, which is unlikely. Anything else and you're just giving scum an extra kill, which =/= helping town

I have already argued this. And you have evidently not read the game.

If the vig hits scum in a lurker, awesome. Everyone's happy.

If the vig hits town in a lurker, that's still pretty good. Why? Because:
1) It takes out a slot that would be difficult to get a read on.
2) It lessens the pool of potential scum. Town-hunting is harder than scum-hunting.

Keybladewielder is

still

an optimal vig target.

1.) See above #1
2.) Yes, it lessens potential scum, but can also waste LIMITED shots. I think town-hunting is easier actually

[FuDuzn]

Well GNR, that is some terrible reasoning on why kcudz could be scum.

And Kcudz, I appreciate you not voting me anymore.....but I fear you are letting emotions lead you to a fuzzy vote. I still don't believe he is being anything other then just aloof fuzzy.

[kcudz]

1) Conflicting definitions are not alignment indicative.
2) It specifically applied to AP because of his consistency with them. It was brought up because I was asked about it.
3) It's not so much a semantics issue as one that of subjectivity.
4) So what's the bright line? If an FoS isn't adequate in terms of mentioning something scummy, what is? Why does mentioning an FoS then voting him later (with evidence of possible support from PimHel) mean it comes from "out of nowhere"?
5) Why is that different from scum reads? Scum reads are not infallible.
6) Why do I specifically need to construct a case on someone in order to cast suspicion on someone, or justify my vote? Can you elaborate on the ludicrous correlation line you've drawn between my votes and people asking me questions? Why is that important at all? I can point out a few people that have asked me questions that I read as town.

[AngryPidgeon]

post. I'll be back after muh date ^.^

[Keybladewielder]

Lucky bastard. He has a date and I have nothing better to do than play Angry Birds in my iPod....

Anyway, should we think about an AP lynch? Has he really done anything scummy?

[PimHel]

post. I'll be back after muh date ^.^

I feel sorry for Bacde who won't be called Babe by AP anymore

Vig-discussion is bad... Both sides have good points, so stop harrassing each other over this.

Unvote, Vote: Keyblade

Just look at his last two posts and notice the 180-turn.

@Bacde
Have you played in a scum game of trikyp as well?

[Keybladewielder]

Lucky bastard. He has a date and I have nothing better to do than play Angry Birds in my iPod....

Anyway, should we think about an AP lynch? Has he really done anything scummy?

I honestly don't see any scum... yet

Except for kcudz
And maybe Angry Pigeon...

180° turn? Both posts say I suspect AP. what is your problem?
Or do you just have reading issues?

[Scott Brosius]

Lucky bastard. He has a date and I have nothing better to do than play Angry Birds in my iPod....

Anyway, should we think about an AP lynch? Has he really done anything scummy?

Translation: Hey guys wondering if I'm wondering if this potential mislynch wagon could have some steam behind it? I don't want to give strong opinions either way just testing the waters to see what is viable!

Unvote
Vote: Keyblade

No I still haven't forgotten you 2 baboon and tripkgljyliktikugugi

[Bacde]

post. I'll be back after muh date ^.^

I feel sorry for Bacde who won't be called Babe by AP anymore

Vig-discussion is bad... Both sides have good points, so stop harrassing each other over this.

Unvote, Vote: Keyblade

Just look at his last two posts and notice the 180-turn.

@Bacde
Have you played in a scum game of trikyp as well?

no I haven't so I'm not 100% on siv

[Keybladewielder]

Wtf - I meant what I said. I literally have no life, no girlfriend. I pretty much hate my life.

How the hell did you even come up with that, you pull it out of your ass or something

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay, easy guys. This isn't a personal game, so let's leave personal matters out of it. Scott, that was a pretty terrible misrep.

[Keybladewielder]

I have to go on V/LA but I'll most likely be back Friday or Saturday

[PimHel]

Lucky bastard. He has a date and I have nothing better to do than play Angry Birds in my iPod....

Anyway, should we think about an AP lynch?

Has he really done anything scummy?

I honestly don't see any scum... yet

Except for kcudz

And maybe Angry Pigeon...

180° turn? Both posts say I suspect AP. what is your problem?
Or do you just have reading issues?

Bolded the bits for you. First, you mention that maybe AP is scum. But after that, you question if he really has done anything scummy. If he's scummy to you, you don't question if he has done something scummy.

But *Hugs*.

[Bacde]

Okay, easy guys. This isn't a personal game, so let's leave personal matters out of it. Scott, that was a pretty terrible misrep.

tbh that was a pretty bad misrep

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Self Meta: My scumplay is about the same as my townplay but more anti-town and more obviously scum.

And yes. I'm not town. I'm scum .

Anyway about vig theory - the first kill costs us a lynch. The second comes free. Is 2 vig shots worth one lynch? Right now? I'd argue no.

[Scott Brosius]

Eh, I can sheep onto scott. VOTE: Scott Brosius

Also antagon, stopping rqs is pro-town, which is not quite the same thing as town.

So why are you sheeping? Since Bacde has not clearly stipulated a reason to vote me, what is yours?

....

[Scott Brosius]

Okay, easy guys. This isn't a personal game, so let's leave personal matters out of it. Scott, that was a pretty terrible misrep.

Hardly, weak wishy-washy opinions that are contradictory as Pim pointed out, and that testing the water question reeks of scum.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Ohey. Um. Yeah, the vote was kinda dumb. And I'm stuck now - I didn't have a good reason for it, and if I make up a reason you'll realize it was just made up after the fact, and if I unvote that can also get painted as scummy. Um, as to why I did it, it was some sort of weird gut thingy. Some of your stuff looked slightly odd and I just figured what the hell.

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay, easy guys. This isn't a personal game, so let's leave personal matters out of it. Scott, that was a pretty terrible misrep.

Hardly, weak wishy-washy opinions that are contradictory as Pim pointed out, and that testing the water question reeks of scum.

There was nothing weak nor wishy washy there. It was a statement completely unrelated to the game.

[Bacde]

Ohey. Um. Yeah, the vote was kinda dumb. And I'm stuck now - I didn't have a good reason for it, and if I make up a reason you'll realize it was just made up after the fact, and if I unvote that can also get painted as scummy. Um, as to why I did it, it was some sort of weird gut thingy. Some of your stuff looked slightly odd and I just figured what the hell.

oh fuck i have to figure out whether this is mafia or if this is town

[Bacde]

Self Meta: My scumplay is about the same as my townplay but more anti-town and more obviously scum.

And yes. I'm not town. I'm scum .

Anyway about vig theory - the first kill costs us a lynch. The second comes free. Is 2 vig shots worth one lynch? Right now? I'd argue no.

what the fuck siv you are even worse that I could have possibly imagined

you didn't act like this at all in the game I played with you where I was scum