Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[fferyllt]

yeah, agree.

[Mac]

Does anyone else find 595 a bit strange?

[Revenus]

Mac, I believe he was just copypastaing the player list from Arc's earlier reads

[Z7-852]

Yeah that earlier post was copy pasted from Arc. It was early morning when I digged into this thread and wasn't really paying enough attention. Pressed Submit instead of Preview. Simple mistake that I corrected later on in my first "real" post.

[ArcAngel9]

Does anyone else find 595 a bit strange?

Mac, I believe he was just copypastaing the player list from Arc's earlier reads

that's right, seems like copy of my post
but what suprising me is that how identitcal his reads are with mine and yet he calls me scum, This is an effort less scum hunting.

[fferyllt]

ArcAngel9 - TOWN
fferyllt - Leaning Town
Mac Birdland - Leaning Town
goodmorning (IC - Null
Z7-852 Fropome - Null
Eye Urn - Unsure
CareyHammer (SE) - Scum/NUll
Deras - Leaning Scum
Revenus (SE) - Leaning Scum

Damn I misclicked when trying to edit post above. Ignore it because the reads where copy pasted from above and they are not my own.

My real thoughts are as following.

fferyllt - Leaning Town
At early game (and after it) had kept the game going without being too aggressive toward anyone. Getting information is good and we have had some.

Eye urn - Leaning Town
Have also been digging information witch is nice. Not really much to say against or for. For now I have a gut feeling about him leaning town.

Goodmorning - Leaning town
Seems to play in the same team as fferyllt. Might be piggybagging but I would say there are at least two townies.

Deras - Leaning town
Mac - Leaning town
Two new players that haven't given much but still they seem both townies.

Revenus - Null
Sometimes giving good insight but sometimes seems to be little off. But still keeping the wheels rolling and not being aggressive about it. He is not pushing the lynch nor denying it's usefulness. Little hard to tell but lets him be null for now.

CareyHammer - Leaning Scum
Too much lurking and too little action. Maybe not a scum move but at least a reason to put pressure against him. Also have been pressuring players that I think are leaning toward town. CareyHammer have been not really gave much explanations for his votes. Thread this long should at least give some ideas who to vote.

ArcAngel9 - Leaning scum
Lurking again. Not saying that all lurkers are scum but players that don't play don't give any information for townfolk.

This is just what my gut feeling is after skimming the thread. I haven't read the whole thing and really don't have strong reads on anyone. I would vote CareyHammer or ArcAngel9 but don't want to drop the to L-1 on basis of just on fast catch up.

Not as similar as all that.

[ArcAngel9]

And you would continue to hang on to someone reads or will you going to play more....
What are your readS?

[fferyllt]

I've moved Mac up a bit. Other than that, my earlier reads haven't changed much.

[fferyllt]

You never did go into your reasons for your scum reads on Revenus and Deras.

[ArcAngel9]

You never did go into your reasons for your scum reads on Revenus and Deras.

I gave the reads, why do you want to know my reasons, I would put my reasons when i vote them.
I am not feeling good about your play. your'e pushign players to give you answers, a normal town players do question but doesn't push, my read on you is dropping....

[ArcAngel9]

And you're asking me to provide something which you oviously haven't done.

[fferyllt]

Right.

I am still liking Deras for town. If he's scum he's totally zoomed me (Aretha Franklin reference ftw)

Cary is coming off quite earnest and stuff since his earlier stfu I'm on spring break get a life posts or whatever they were

Revenus scares me. He's posting stuff I agree with for the most part but not enough and not often enough.

My townish read on Eye has gone a little stale.

My townish read on Fropome is stale and also flecked with paranoia. (HOWEVER - he posted while I was working on this so I'll back off on this a tad)

Mac is bugging me. I'm cautious because I have a tendency to either trust or strongly distrust people who go after me. More likely to trust someone who does it first or does it originally. Second and sloppy seconds not so much. I'm awaiting his response to an earlier post I made. Right now, I'm cautiously leaning scum.

ArcAngel - she came into a slot that I was starting to get a scum vibe from. I've read a couple of her scum games to see if the relatively large amounts of stuff that is not applicable to this game or its current landscape is a feature of her scum games. I'd say that the quantity is not typical. But, a quick ISO of a couple town games do appear to be more short, sharp and to the point. The whole argument about the likelihood of one SE/IC player being scum and the other being in a n00b slot feels like distraction and maybe misdirection. Right now, I'm leaning scum.

goodmorning - backing off, I'm finding that I'm reading most of her recent posts as town, and more telling, I'm replying to her as though she's town. That often happens before I actually wake up to the fact that I've decided someone is town. So yeah, my gut has decided she's town.

I'm taking anything I've written here that is meta based with a huge grain of salt. My game does have a strong meta-analysis component. MS is like a meta goldmine and I could easily spend a ton of time reading prior games looking for patterns I can match to this one. But, one thing I've learned in my short time playing here, is that for me to do reliable meta-analysis it has to be meta that I've experienced. A will of ISO posts is not a good substitute for the types of comparisons I draw about games I've actually experienced.

[fferyllt]

I certainly do push when town. I'm not passive about letting reads come to me. I shake trees and see what falls out.

What I'm seeing fall out is that you, ArcAngel go on a reactive attack anytime someone posts to or about you. That looks scummy.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: ArcAngel

[ArcAngel9]

I certainly do push when town. I'm not passive about letting reads come to me. I shake trees and see what falls out.

What I'm seeing fall out is that you, ArcAngel go on a reactive attack anytime someone posts to or about you. That looks scummy.

And you say what you doing is Town? Reactive is not scummy, what do you do when Scum pushes to you an edge? would you react or stay quite? I guess you know the answer....

Look, I was kept under L-1 yesterday which i pretty much see it as scum motivated wagon. the only thing that stopping me to see you as scum is how you changed your mind and took me back to L-2, otherwise I am not liking the way you continously pushing me to participate more. I will particapate and put out my opinions when i have and I feel to put out. I don't have to necessarly write out my reads to meet your expecations.

And the other thing I am not liking is how the scum is now driving focus slowly to my side so they could take an adbvantage on my lynch.
did you properly read the

Z7-852

reads, How conviently he jumped into saying that I am leaning scum, And I am not suprised that Revenus agreeing with it. I am not saying everyone is Scum but there is scum in between them who is just agreeing with things..

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: ArcAngel

so what is your strateogy aftet I flip town.. ?? who is your next scum target?
And i am obviously not scum alone, who do you think are my scum buddies...

[Mac]

Is that L-1?

If so, no one should even express an intent to hammer until we have heard from a Carey replacement.

[fferyllt]

I certainly do push when town. I'm not passive about letting reads come to me. I shake trees and see what falls out.

What I'm seeing fall out is that you, ArcAngel go on a reactive attack anytime someone posts to or about you. That looks scummy.

And you say what you doing is Town? Reactive is not scummy, what do you do when Scum pushes to you an edge? would you react or stay quite? I guess you know the answer....

Look, I was kept under L-1 yesterday which i pretty much see it as scum motivated wagon. the only thing that stopping me to see you as scum is how you changed your mind and took me back to L-2, otherwise I am not liking the way you continously pushing me to participate more. I will particapate and put out my opinions when i have and I feel to put out. I don't have to necessarly write out my reads to meet your expecations.

And the other thing I am not liking is how the scum is now driving focus slowly to my side so they could take an adbvantage on my lynch.
did you properly read the

Z7-852

reads, How conviently he jumped into saying that I am leaning scum, And I am not suprised that Revenus agreeing with it. I am not saying everyone is Scum but there is scum in between them who is just agreeing with things..

You are reacting at everyone who suspects you. We can't all be scum.

I would be very surprised if we're looking at an ArcAngel/Carey slot. I'm agnostic about most of the rest of the available combinations atm. I have never seen a town player completely unwilling to give a basis for their reads. I've seen people hold things back that they thought could be used tactically or strategically later, but not a complete stonewall.

There is no town reason I can discern to do what you are doing wrt your reads.


p-edit or whatever Mac I'm pretty sure it's L-2. Carey unvoted. I don't recall anyone else voting.

[ArcAngel9]

^ this is a false accusation, I did gave basis of my reads, did you even read my opening post? It has the base read of each player in detail . What do you call that? Why are you lying about that?

Like I mentioned that my reactiong was clearly geniune as I was pushed to L-1, Carrey had a stupid reason to jump into my wagon and so is you...

[Deras]

Hey guys just dropping in to say I'm pretty swamped with work, I'll do my best to post something later tonight

[Deras]

^ this is a false accusation, I did gave basis of my reads, did you even read my opening post? It has the base read of each player in detail . What do you call that? Why are you lying about that?

Like I mentioned that my reactiong was clearly geniune as I was pushed to L-1, Carrey had a stupid reason to jump into my wagon and so is you...

Actually, I just read this and went to check really quickly: yes you did add reasons to your first readlist but that lists me as leaning town, then your next one says bleeding scum, you haven't explained what made you change. (didn't check the others to see if there were changes)

[fferyllt]

So, I have did a quick catch up, so its going to be a simple reads..

Although this is a newbie game, I can tell that most of the players in this game seem to have had their own experiences elsewhere playing mafia games.

So, apart from the people I know already. Welcome to mafiascum.net rest of you! If you’re a mafia game lover, then you have come to your paradise. This site is a final stop for all the players who love playing mafia games, enjoying staying here.!

My advice for all of you - Slow down first, understand the site meta and people, follow the rules, don’t get offended and play for winning

And about my reads… I have done a fair catch up, I will tone up with you all soon as the game go … (note that I don’t enjoy writing really long posts, so my reads going to be simple .)

Fferullt

– She seems like an aggressive player, almost suspecting everyone in the game which is a good town-tell, Leaning town.

MAC

– mac seems different, she is playing more logically on this game than in the games I have been with her, Leaning town.

Revenus

– I really didn’t like the way he went on with Carey, Being an SE and knowing this site meta and how things usually works here, he should been knowing already that lurking is common here.. So Just only reasoning lurking for accusing Carey as scum is not good, Leaning scum.

Eye Urn

– I don’t like your avatar, I hate giant evil octopus. And, to talk about your game play, I see that you’re pushing GM’s much with no reasons, I am not sure if you were doing that because you think that you may not need direction from an IC or if it is your play style from the other sites that made subjectively concluded that GM is scummy becuz she is being overly cautious ?, either ways you need to remember that she was given an additional task in the game, she usually be more cautions than any player and she is not scummy that way. You’re leaning scum to for now.

GoodMorning

– Hey, Thanks for the heads up, Yeah I don’t think you’re again too… I am bit bored of suspecting you in almost every game we play. So who do you think is scum here? And btw, you’re doing a great job as IC. Keep it up girl

Carey

– Null so far, you need to pull a better play Carey, and stop saying like you’re catching up. Read through for real and post your reads.

Fropome

– Fro has been one of the active posters, it’s good thing for a newbie with that I can tell you that he is may be new to this site but not new to mafia game. He appears to be buddying up with Eye and Revenus, I don’t have positive read on either of them. So Fro is neutral to me for now.

Deras

– His reads seems genuine, Leaning town.

And to look at this game in a strategic way..
There will be 2 scums in a 9 player game.

And I am positive that there is one scum between SE’s & IC
I feel GM is town, Carey is null. Revenus would be my choice for this day’s lynch, if everyone wants to move this directly.
And there would one more scum in the rest of you.

Well, see, you've downgraded Deras from leaning town to leaning scum. No explanation why. You had no read of GM, but now you think she's not scumhunting. (I actually agree with that assessment btw and it would be a town point in your favor if it hadn't looked just as reactive as every other thing you've posted in the last 2 or 3 days). Mac's fallen, too, IIRC apparently on the basis of voting you.

[ArcAngel9]

^ this is a false accusation, I did gave basis of my reads, did you even read my opening post? It has the base read of each player in detail . What do you call that? Why are you lying about that?

Like I mentioned that my reactiong was clearly geniune as I was pushed to L-1, Carrey had a stupid reason to jump into my wagon and so is you...

Actually, I just read this and went to check really quickly: yes you did add reasons to your first readlist but that lists me as leaning town, then your next one says bleeding scum, you haven't explained what made you change. (didn't check the others to see if there were changes)

Your post #478 and 534
your reason to call me scum looks very oppurtunist to me, the way I account the possible scum in SE's and IC is a random guess and when i drop that discuss right after MOD confirmed that roles were assigned randomly through using Random.org site. I have been MOD before in a different site, the games I have modded, I always considered not to put the entire mafia with full of noobs as it will be unfair in the game.

But how you still hang on to that point as reason and targeting me to lynch over carrey was very oppurtunist, its like you know carrey would eitehrways a lynch target at anytime as he was playing an effort less game.

[goodmorning]

It's difficult to scumhunt when 90% of new posts are "I'll get to this in a bit".

I've definitely put off doing a reread, but suffice it to say that my current scumpool is Z, AA, and Fe.
Z has yet to post anything that would change my mind on the slot. It would probably be appropriate to allow him a bit more time to contribute before considering a lynch on him.
AA is playing to her classic scum meta. I'd be voting her now but I'd like to see the wagon stabilize first, just in case.
Fe is the one I really need to look at more in depth, but he's playing close to the belt and something about his posts just strikes me as being off.

fff is scumpool backup.

[Mac]

@ ff - WRT #621 I've never voted Arc.

I find it unlikely that AA9 and Carey are scumbuddies but I strongly disagree with the idea that they are definitely not. I know Carey put AA9 at L-1 but he's... well... Carey. We need a replacement in ASAP, and someone who will actually give a damn about the game.

Agree with GM on Eye Urn who seems to be keeping his cards very close to his chest. His vote on AA9 is based on her being more than terrible town because she disregarded "basic probability" which I don't understand - could you expand a bit more please?

I have read back a bit for what it's worth, it stemmed for AA9 feeling once scum was in IC/SE combo because the mod wouldn't let two newbies in. Then Eye Urn came in

and backed her up

with some complicated math which hurt my eyes and said there was a 42% chance of one scum in the three ICs... Kinda looks like he's trying to back up a null point from AA9. But then he goes and votes her.