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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:41 pm

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Svenskt Stål wrote:Do you inhabit brain capacity at all?

I think that as scum you would think twice before throwing down against me.

I think ffer would be inclined to give a read on me some time and not insta voting

The reaction when asked if the question was serious.

I'd be inclined to do that no matter what my alignment. However, I wouldn't hesitate to land on you like a ton of bricks if I had a scum read on you atm.

The back and forth posting from us must be whiplash-inducing.

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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:45 pm

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Svenskt Stål wrote:Do you inhabit brain capacity at all?
Your insults form an interesting juxtaposition with the cluelessness of your posts. Humor me further.


I think that as scum you would think twice before throwing down against me.
Why?


I think ffer would be inclined to give a read on me some time and not insta voting
Why?


The reaction when asked if the question was serious.
Wait wait.

You called my reaction "defense through offense".

Why on earth would I feel the need to defend myself when you asked me if a question I posed was serious or not?

And you've played with me through RVS--you know how I play this part of the game.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:55 pm

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orci,nus if you mean the polygamy game, Svenskt replaced in long after RVS was over.

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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:05 pm

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Ah right, that could explain it.

Okay yeah i can see Sven as town then I guess.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:22 pm

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Okay, just started reading for realsies.

Gonna try to post my main thoughts so far; I'll try writing this with my own thought process, meaning I'll type what I think as I read and no worries about repeating anyone's logic.

Firstly, I noticed something skimming through the topic that people were reading each others' games. I'm not meta-ing anyone. Takes too much time. Meta me if you want (check my wiki), but try to limit questions about my meta in here to a minimum.

On to the read:

: Rach is concerned that Selkies is pushing a Sven wagon when 1. no one formally agreed and 2. the wagon clearly isn't a wagon yet. Selkie's push could be taken as a joke, or something, but Rach's concern is real, but my gut tells me it's not town-concern.

: Sven's reaction reads terribad here. Also calls Rach townie even though she's done basically
nothing
townie. At most, her 27 is suspicious.

: Icebox's been posting fluff by page 2. OH SHIT SCUMTELL. (But not really.)

: Varsoon comes in and says something is super scum, yet doesn't vote. So I can't tell if he's serious or not. If he were serious, he probably should've voted here; after all, it wouldn't have been an RVS reason.

: So he does think it's still RVS here. Clearly wasn't being serious in 50. Okay.

: No explanation as to why his reads literally swapped. Cool. Scumpoints for Sven.

: Majiffy comes in, likes wagons. Probably not all that into RVS junk either.

: Didn't count the votes, but Majiffy's wagon vote was L-1...not comfortable with this, but L-1 wagons can dish a lot of good info.

: Oh goodness...anyone unvoting an L-1 wagon doesn't make them townie. Scum and town both do this: townies are concerned their read isn't good, scummies may do it to know that person will flip town.

but

: Sven still asks Rach questions after his unvote. And then asks her to rank people from town to scum when there's barely anything on the table.
And
, she could be dead at any time, so her reads can help the scum target people (maybe, but whatevs); Rach is town if Sven is scum, most likely.

: Shrugging L-1 off isn't a scumtell. Ape shit over a vote that you don't even know is serious yet? I find that worse. Maybe that's just me.

: Rach is so townie here, tbh. Calmly answers Sven's questions, seems sincere, willing to listen to reason even though she has suspicions.

: Icebox pulls Varsoonscum out of thin air, even though he's posted after that fact.
But
, apparently can't see Varsoon's other posts noting how not-serious the entire RVS business was. Hm...maybe keeping a closer eye on this. Might not mean much, but as scum, I can argue with my scumbuddy while there's a bigger picture happening, make a lot of noise, and quiet it back down.

: I usually am the one to say vote someone you think is the most scummy, but Varsoon seems pretty content not voting. Voting isn't only to ensure people know your position on your top scumread; also creates wagons that will reveal more information, maybe takes into account certain roles, etc. Also, Varsoon immediately silences Icebox here. Can't see them being a scumteam.

tl;dr
VOTE: Sven
Majiffy has some splainin' to do.
Icebox pulling Varsoon out of nowhere is weird.
Rach is probtown.
Selkies is probtown.
Varsoon is neutral, can't read him very well ATM.

Feel free to ask me questions about any of my reads so far, though.

Disturbed_One and Jennifer should post.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:31 pm

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Bo goes in my town pike after a post like that ...

BTW Bo I am sure Majiffy will splain after Mollie leaves... he is rather distracted.

Because it is RVS is one of the reasons (along with knowing Majiffy pretty well from playing many games with him plus having him in a game I modded), is why I have not pushed much on it.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:34 pm

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That last statement was for Selkies... sorry about that hit enter too soon.

Yeah DO and Jen need to post. I know from experience that DO is good at being either town or scum, and I really dont know Jen that well,,, So yeah want more postin goin on.

I would be happy to provide you scum game links Selikies.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:43 pm

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Fery will ask if she needs it, I'm sure.

Bo: any particular reason you commented on every single player in your readthrough except us, and then shoved us in a town pile at the end?

Just to clarify: You feel Rach is town because Sven is scum, and if we took Sven out of the picture, Rach would be lean-scum? I don't quite understand how Rach ended up in the town pile there
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:57 pm

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Well, I didn't say much about Varsoon either, but his entrance did seem interesting to comment on and his responses to Icebox could be useful later.

You're much closer to my read on Varsoon than my read on Rach.

Rach isn't scum at all to me right now. She did have that suspicious post or two in the very beginning, but her play seems to be very question-heavy, so in the end I'm not really holding it against her. If you're referring to my comments on #70, I was just saying that Rach seeing Sven unvoting as a townie move isn't a very good towntell to me.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:58 pm

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Sorry, I didn't finish my thought as to why you seemed more townie than Varsoon.

Mainly gut-instinct for now. You seem much more inclined to get the game going, being proactive, as opposed to Varsoon, who hadn't really done much at all.

Yep. Going with that.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:00 pm

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Cool. Talk to me about why Sven might have reacted like that in #27 and why it's scum and not town.

I'm curious to hear /your/ reasoning here.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:05 pm

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I think you either have the wrong post number or the wrong player there, because that doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:07 pm

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*33, I got confused.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:26 pm

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The reaction to your vote on him isn't a question, or confusion, or anything that shows curiosity at all, when I felt like he could've just asked why you voted him or anything. It's an
assumption
, without even considering your vote might've been part of RVS (it clearly wasn't when you responded right after, that your vote was serious at that point), or considering another reason the vote's on him.

He also tried to get one head of your hydra to feel bad for making the other one vote him. Doesn't feel right to me.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:31 pm

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It's night time and it's time to sneak my vote off while GIF isn't looking.

VOTE: RachMarie

Read Sven as town for unvoting her.
Then read Bo as town for defending her slot and voting Sven.

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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:38 pm

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No thoughts I guess? :?:
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:39 pm

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Sven unvoting Rach is null, I don't see it being overly town. Certainly not town enough to offset his weird play in the first few pages.

This makes no sense, you're reading...Rach as scum, but then Bo as town for defending Rach? And Bo as town for voting Sven, who you think is town?
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:39 pm

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Clarifying: Fery thinks Sven town, I think him NLS.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:40 pm

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? Sorry. I don't understand your inference process of my reads.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:41 pm

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What's NLS?
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:42 pm

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Just checked back at my 108, apparently I deleted the line where I asked Rach which parts of the post sounded townie. Probably because I was more focused on answering Selkies.

@Rach: Why is my 104 a town post?

@Icebox: I shouldn't answer my thoughts on that until Rach answers why she thinks my post is town. Could give her ammo on the account she is scum.

PEdit: Sorry for the late post Icebox, I was editing my wiki while my other tab was open with the game.

And yeah, what's NLS?
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:43 pm

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Icebox wrote:It's night time and it's time to sneak my vote off while GIF isn't looking.

VOTE: RachMarie

Read Sven as town for unvoting her.
Then read Bo as town for defending her slot and voting Sven.

@Bo thoughts?

I'm not sure what's unclear here.

Rach is scum: Hence you voting her.
Sven as town: For unvoting Rach. But you just said Rach was scum, so why would Sven get towncred for this? And why is Sven unvoting alignment indicative? I assure you that scum don't want to be caught on the wrong wagon, and while I see how we could interpret town motivation in wanting to avoid a mislynch, you're going to have to talk me through why it's one and not the other. Unvoting should be a null move.
Bo as town: For defending Rach and voting Sven. But Rach is scum and Sven is town, so doesn't this completely contradict your reads?

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:47 pm

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I wanna know what NLS is too please??

It was the way you had looked at the entire list of peeps that have posted so and are trying to put them into the town and scum piles already, kinda reminds me though you did it a lot quicker than I did, usually takes me quite a while to figure out my reads when I am town.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:49 pm

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I still don't understand your reasoning. :?

Ask your hydra partner to explain.

Basically you think, I think Sven and Bo are town and that I think RachMarie is scum.

I think Rachmarie might be scum.
I think Rachmarie town read them both opportunistically.
Further, she did not seem to disagree with the Sven vote, nor make mention of it.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:49 pm

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Even though she read him as slight town, or what not.
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