Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

Don't like Selkies' 141. Probably because I have a firm townread on Ice, and this looks like opportunistic fabrication of a case.

Really don't like 143 either. Looks like lining up lynches. This can die.
VOTE: Selkies

DBK, I could kiss you for how town you are. Let's be friends.

I just remembered that Majiffy doesn't play RVS.

Get this man a prize for such an astute observation anyone that has played with me (read: 75% of the playerlist) should have made 5 pages ago.

So I would love to hear from Majiffy why he voted Rach to L-1.

The reason I gave in the post I voted her in.

Waginz.

I

do not

like the Varsoon wagon. Not for any particular reason, I haven't payed much attention to the actual reasons being given, but I don't like how it's building. No excitement, just a lot of ... votes. I'll be starting here when I finish catching up.

I may have missed it but what the fuck is NLS?

Lets do this until I think of something better

VOTE MAJIFFY

.

Play with fire, you gon' get burned.

I meta girl once, it turned out horribly.
Dohoho.

Get the fuck out, lol

Anyway I like this post as a whole. You can be town too.

And actually, here you say that you weren't even sure what you should make of people calling you out for post 50.

This is almost laughable.

God I am really disliking every post you make.

Majiffy, nice start. But what is so town about icebox hydra slip?

It wasn't the slip, it was the post itself.

Seemed to come from a town mindset.

Oh I missed that you had bo doesnt know as town, we should discuss that.

Yeah lets discuss your poor choice of a vote. Why are you voting DBK? He's pretty much my strongest townread.

[Svenskt Stål]

@ selkies, Lol, I can see that.

But still your vote is a tool, so if you are thinking about bo might aswell vote and see what happends.

But yes, I see it.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE BO DOESNT KNOW

I will straight up kiss the mod if that vote counts.

[Majiffy]

Lol bork

[Majiffy]

Also updated VC would be nice sir.

[Selkies]

Null lean scum

Tell me why you don't like my posts, let's talk this out

[Svenskt Stål]

Majiffy, he has stated that he is pretty much set with his vote on me, how is that in anyway coming from a townie?

Lets just play with the idea that I am a townie, can I right the ship or should I stop spending time in this thread?

[borkjerfkin]

Workin on it fuckers. Y'all are fast.

[Selkies]

Svenskt is your vote on Bo mostly predicated on his statement about his vote already being set in stone?

[Selkies]

Tell me about your firm townread on Ice based on Ice pointing out that your vote was L-1. Why exactly is this such a strong town tell

If it's opportunistic fabrication, you should be able to quote the parts I fabricated right

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

You need reasons to go along with "thissux"

[Selkies]

Hey Majiffy, try talking to the Jeckyll half of Selkies for a bit. I think reading us as one entity must be kinda disorienting at best.

-f

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.2

[3] Svenskt Stål (Does Bo Know, Disturbed_One, Selkies)
[2] Selkies (Varsoon, Majiffy)
[2] Varsoon (Icebox, Jennifer)
[1] Does Bo Know (Svenskt Stål)
[1] Majiffy (RachMarie)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

[Svenskt Stål]

@selkies, how on earth can a townie has his vote set after not even a day when we have 2 weeks?

@ selkies, mostly yes...but also his comment on orcs post about me being pro town for ignoring. That and something he said about icebox... that his 82 post pulled x=scum out of nowhere while in fact he actually stated the same thing that I saw, which was that X tried to cast blame but without confidence, which is kinda scummie. X is vandsoor or something, i forget.

[Majiffy]

Thanks, you're a dear.

[Svenskt Stål]

GOAT MOD.

[Selkies]

WTF???

Why are we voting Svenskt?

UNVOTE: Svenskt

-f

[Majiffy]

Null lean scum

Tell me why you don't like my posts, let's talk this out

I agree with not a single reason you ever give for anything, ever. And that's disconcerting - even with people I disagree with heavily, I've never felt so polarized.

Aside from that, I've elaborated on you in my two catchup posts. Go read them.

Majiffy, he has stated that he is pretty much set with his vote on me, how is that in anyway coming from a townie?

Lets just play with the idea that I am a townie, can I right the ship or should I stop spending time in this thread?

Townies can't tunnel?

Right the ship by voting Selkies.

Tell me about your firm townread on Ice based on Ice pointing out that your vote was L-1. Why exactly is this such a strong town tell

Came straight out of the townie's mouth. I feel like scum would have elaborated more, his was very matter-of-fact nothing-more-need-be-said. And that's townie as fuck.

If it's opportunistic fabrication, you should be able to quote the parts I fabricated right

Sure.

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

Go ahead and find a quote where I even suggested this.

[Icebox]

I didn't put my vote on someone I thought as scummy that early because I was making that statement in passing. Furthermore, I didn't want to start a wagon nearly as much as I wanted to gauge the reaction of that player and other players. Stating someone is scummy and not placing a vote is a bit on an unconventional play, neh? It's sure to get the ball rolling somewhere.

Why do you think facking "being scummy" is a good idea for getting a reaction?

Regardless, please forget about last game.
I was town last game.
You won't know if I am town or not this game until I flip.

My point was that you don't do RVS regardless of your alignment.

But, to be fair, my comment about absolute statements and my scum-read without a vote was really reaction testing more than it was serious posting. It, for the most part, worked out.

What kind of reaction were you expecting to get from doing so?

@Majiffy:

That tree.

Stop barking up it.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

-G

[Selkies]

Null lean scum

Tell me why you don't like my posts, let's talk this out

I agree with not a single reason you ever give for anything, ever. And that's disconcerting - even with people I disagree with heavily, I've never felt so polarized.

I feel like you're wrong.

Also Ice is town since my unvote.

Aside from that, I've elaborated on you in my two catchup posts. Go read them.

I did, no specifics. You need some.

Tell me about your firm townread on Ice based on Ice pointing out that your vote was L-1. Why exactly is this such a strong town tell

Came straight out of the townie's mouth. I feel like scum would have elaborated more, his was very matter-of-fact nothing-more-need-be-said. And that's townie as fuck.

Sure.

If it's opportunistic fabrication, you should be able to quote the parts I fabricated right

Sure.

Go quote.

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

Go ahead and find a quote where I even suggested this.

Really don't like 143 either. Looks like lining up lynches. This can die.
^

[Selkies]

God I am really disliking every post you make.

Give me a reason here, because Varsoon's case was shit.

[Does Bo Know]

I am probably never going to read that. From the sound of things you are set in your read and have the day 1 vote in stone so I will be ignoring you too.

And as soon as I agree, you jump on me for it.

Was that a trap?

Discussion with Varsoon about RVS is actually unrelated to the game; I just can't PM or anything outside this game because that's against the rules, and I'm interested in the discussion.

Yeah yeah, votes aren't really set in stone yadda yadda, but I'm more comfortable saying this vote's set in stone than most. The game is incredibly active so you never know what's gonna happen, but totally confident in my Sven vote right now.

I completely forgot about why the Icebox case is something I disagree with. It's been echoed multiple times, but mainly your case at that point in the game was a bunch of confusion that Varsoon couldn't clarify and some of it was hydra confusion. I'll go back and read again later if you want me to be even more specific about things.

Majiffy's case on Selkies is pretty much the same as Varsoon's.

I was going to say this earlier but I wanted to see more of what Selkies thought of Varsoon's vote on him before saying this: Selkies didn't see the actual reason Varsoon saw Selkies as scum, and decided to tear apart everything else multiple times. He thought he was missing something from Varsoon's small case, but I read it and noticed the reason on the first read. I don't see why Selkies didn't think to look back.

[Selkies]

@selkies, how on earth can a townie has his vote set after not even a day when we have 2 weeks?

@ selkies, mostly yes...but also his comment on orcs post about me being pro town for ignoring. That and something he said about icebox... that his 82 post pulled x=scum out of nowhere while in fact he actually stated the same thing that I saw, which was that X tried to cast blame but without confidence, which is kinda scummie. X is vandsoor or something, i forget.

Ok. This is kinda where we're leaning.

Bo says he's discomforted about Varsoon having a scum read on us. Then in 216 (I think) gives him a luke-warm defense. And post 228 is one of those posts that make me think of that dog-shaming site. Like you should have to hold up a sign saying "I posted this in a mafia game" with a crestfallen expression, right under the picture of the dog who is sitting in the tattered remains of what was once a sofa with an "I was lonely" sign.

-f

[Majiffy]

This is good. Let’s ISO Icebox and see what we find.

I don't like that you started with this; bunny-hopping off some light suspicions by DBK to launch a case. Opportunistic.

If this is a serious reason, it really sucks. It’s not buddying; it’s just pointing out that somebody is enjoyable to play with. If this is a RVS vote, I’m not seeing what it’s achieving.

It's building a wagon. Which helps get us out of RVS. Which is pro-town. The fact that you can't grok that is what feels so entirely fabricated.

So first off, no mention whatsoever of the Rach wagon at L-1. At all. It’s a mine of information, much more than anything we’ve had so far, you have two people, and you failed to comment on it? Really?

Did you just try to fault someone for pursuing a completely valid direction of questioning? Mhmmm yes you did. By deflecting off what he

did say

and instead focusing on what he

didn't say.

Everyone else was already talking about my vote putting Rach to L-1, his input wouldn't have added anything of merit. Instead, he saw something no one was talking about, and pursued it. That's town.

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Re: Varsoon (not going to bother quoting because walls)
I don't like how you start with "Varsoons posts are bad" and highlight that he doesn't like RVS. RVS is inefficient and generally sucky. There's nothing bad about disliking RVS.
I also don't like how you end with "I think there's at least one scum between Varsoon and Icebox.", in context with your poor arguments for both of them being scum. Hence my accusation of you lining up lynches.

[Selkies]

I was going to say this earlier but I wanted to see more of what Selkies thought of Varsoon's vote on him before saying this: Selkies didn't see the actual reason Varsoon saw Selkies as scum, and decided to tear apart everything else multiple times. He thought he was missing something from Varsoon's small case, but I read it and noticed the reason on the first read. I don't see why Selkies didn't think to look back.

Is there a particular reason why you're not quoting this or...?

[Majiffy]

I agree with not a single reason you ever give for anything, ever. And that's disconcerting - even with people I disagree with heavily, I've never felt so polarized.

I feel like you're wrong.

... How can you 'feel'

my

opinion?

Enjoy your feels, I guess, bro.

I can have multiple scumreads right, not just one? I'm allowed to do that?

Go ahead and find a quote where I even suggested this.

Really don't like 143 either. Looks like lining up lynches. This can die.

^

Fun fact: "You aren't allowed to have multiple scum reads" and "you're lining up lynches" aren't even close to logically congruent statements.