Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

So basically, "semantics".

lol

Yes. Which is very important, as this is a logic-based game.

Who else are you currently reading as scum?

Not too keen on Sven. Other than that, no one, yet. But I have about half the player list down as firm town reads, so I figure if it isn't you and Sven I can just POE-to-victory.

And actually, this accusation of lining up lynches makes no sense given that I switched off Icebox later.

Why exactly isn't my vote on Varsoon?

I was posting chronologically, and I rarely tend to go back and edit outdated things.

I don't know, why isn't it?

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

[Selkies]

So basically, "semantics".

lol

Yes. Which is very important, as this is a logic-based game.

Who else are you currently reading as scum?

Not too keen on Sven. Other than that, no one, yet. But I have about half the player list down as firm town reads, so I figure if it isn't you and Sven I can just POE-to-victory.

And actually, this accusation of lining up lynches makes no sense given that I switched off Icebox later.

Why exactly isn't my vote on Varsoon?

I was posting chronologically, and I rarely tend to go back and edit outdated things.

I don't know, why isn't it?

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

Do a reset or something. You're way off at least on Selkie.

[Majiffy]

Faking scumminess is good for early reaction tests, even if it gets you quickhammered because you'll flip town and it'll narrow the suspects to the wagon. Also, it generates content from reactions.

Disagree to an extent. It DOES, but you need to be able to get yourself out of the hole you dig. If you can't, and you get lynched, VCA on the wagon is often useless as town and scum will both be jumping on for the same reason - you were being legitimately scummy.

[Majiffy]

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

Do a reset or something. You're way off at least on Selkie.[/quote]
Says Selkie.

[Majiffy]

Oops, tags.

[Selkies]

^^
that unsigned reset post is by -f.

[Selkies]

p-edit: Good god, that wall.

Do a reset or something. You're way off at least on Selkie.

Says Selkie. [/quote]
Says half of Selkie.

The half that can't get a fucking word in edgewise.

[Does Bo Know]

Sven's threatening to go after people for not posting as much

Even though it hasn't even been 24 hours since game start.

And he's criticizing me about time...I don't get it anymore.

Calm down bro. I don't like people less active than others, but for a game this fast, they're not going to be scum for you.

I just don't see how making an ignore list is very protown. The idea seems like a possible town tell to me, not a big one.

[Majiffy]

GOD YOU CAN'T EVEN FIX A FUCKING BROKEN TAG RIGHT WHATS WRONG WITH YOU JEEZ.

[Selkies]

But you'd shift a lot of the blame to DBK for putting your eye on him.

...

So basically, if I build a case on someone after someone else has already expressed similar sentiments, I'm scum.

Gotcha.

You're ignoring that I addressed this when I made the point; everyone else was already commenting on the Rach L-1 wagon and his participation wasn't going to add anything. So my point stands that you admitted you were just deflecting off his very real scumhunting in favor of a bullshit argument. Thanks.

Nopenope. Because said "bullshit argument" was a L-1 wagon on his main suspect, so I would most certainly expect him to comment on it, at least briefly. They avoided it entirely.

Cherry picking arguments? No, not at all. Reading half your post as a low-fat substitute to the full-fat bullshit? Yes.

You haven't refuted shit.

Nope, cherry picking arguments. Intentional misrep of my case on Varsoon.

You mean like how you gave up trying to counter why Icebox's Rach-vote was useless?

[Selkies]

I don't know, why isn't it?

Because I wasn't lining up lynches, idk?

[Selkies]

I just don't see how making an ignore list is very protown. The idea seems like a possible town tell to me, not a big one.

I was sarcastic, just in case you didn't catch that when I last posted it.

[Does Bo Know]

Well you thought I was being sarcastic about it, so I assumed you were serious.

Or were you talking about something else?

[Selkies]

Faking scumminess is good for early reaction tests, even if it gets you quickhammered because you'll flip town and it'll narrow the suspects to the wagon. Also, it generates content from reactions.

This is

What

"Fake scumminess"

"People who vote you are now scum instead of scumhunting town who look for, oh idk, scumminess?"

What

[Selkies]

This ignore list business sounds very pro-town.

This was sarcasm.

[Selkies]

I was going to say this earlier but I wanted to see more of what Selkies thought of Varsoon's vote on him before saying this: Selkies didn't see the actual reason Varsoon saw Selkies as scum, and decided to tear apart everything else multiple times. He thought he was missing something from Varsoon's small case, but I read it and noticed the reason on the first read. I don't see why Selkies didn't think to look back.

Is there a particular reason why you're not quoting this or...?

[Majiffy]

So basically, if I build a case on someone after someone else has already expressed similar sentiments, I'm scum.

Gotcha.

Nopenope. Because said "bullshit argument" was a L-1 wagon on his main suspect, so I would most certainly expect him to comment on it, at least briefly. They avoided it entirely.

It was early game RVS stage and everyone else was already talking about it. Read my fucking posts

Nope, cherry picking arguments. Intentional misrep of my case on Varsoon.

That's adorable, since

I haven't actually said anything about your case on Varsoon

.

You mean like how you gave up trying to counter why Icebox's Rach-vote was useless?

You mean how I said I wasn't going to argue a point I never originally made in the first place? You forced that argument into the picture, not me.

[Selkies]

Varsoon, if you've answered this before I apologize for asking again.

Aside from here at MS have you played much mafia?

- f

[Majiffy]

I don't know, why isn't it?

Because I wasn't lining up lynches, idk?

Ok well I mean if we're going to make that argument as a defense, sure.

I guess you're also town because your role PM says so?

[Does Bo Know]

Still on my phone, I'll give more complete thoughts about Majiffy vs. Selkies later.

But Selkies wasn't lining up lynches. He was saying one of those two is most likely scum, which I don't find as too big of a deal unless the Selkies actually

does

blindly lynch the other the next day. You can't tell what he's gonna do D2 if you don't know what anyone's gonna flip D1.

PEdit: Okay that's what you meant.

[Selkies]

Nopenope. Because said "bullshit argument" was a L-1 wagon on his main suspect, so I would most certainly expect him to comment on it, at least briefly. They avoided it entirely.

It was early game RVS stage and everyone else was already talking about it. Read my fucking posts

If I were driven up to L-1 early game, you came in and found me suspicious, why exactly wouldn't you talk about my wagon at all?

Nope, cherry picking arguments. Intentional misrep of my case on Varsoon.

That's adorable, since

I haven't actually said anything about your case on Varsoon

.

Re: Varsoon (not going to bother quoting because walls)
I don't like how you start with "Varsoons posts are bad" and highlight that he doesn't like RVS. RVS is inefficient and generally sucky. There's nothing bad about disliking RVS.
I also don't like how you end with "I think there's at least one scum between Varsoon and Icebox.", in context with your poor arguments for both of them being scum. Hence my accusation of you lining up lynches.

lol

You mean like how you gave up trying to counter why Icebox's Rach-vote was useless?

You mean how I said I wasn't going to argue a point I never originally made in the first place? You forced that argument into the picture, not me.

It's building a wagon. Which helps get us out of RVS. Which is pro-town. The fact that you can't grok that is what feels so entirely fabricated.

lol

You're really losing it

[Selkies]

I don't know, why isn't it?

Because I wasn't lining up lynches, idk?

Ok well I mean if we're going to make that argument as a defense, sure.

I guess you're also town because your role PM says so?

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse here

[Icebox]

Explanation of RachMarie vote, holding the vote and delaying Gif from voting Sven, and when he changed to Varsoon, why I revoted Marie:

The long version:

It began with meta which, when summarized is: "own cheerleads as scum does a whole lot of nothing otherwise.

Towncheerlead #1:

Sigh.... Already it starts?

Cmon guys n gals lets focus on the game and not insult each other ok.

That does not help us find scum...

^ This to me is pretty much a town cheerlead. She is saying "Stop fighting amongst yourselves! Go scum hunt guys! We can do this, right town buddies?"
But she isn't scum hunting...

no worries Varsoon... I was letting you know I saw you had answered.

ATM I am waiting for peeps to post (still need a number of peeps posting) Probably will be a few hours before Majiffy posts since like I said he is off frolicking with Mollie...

Meanwhile I am asking questions of peeps as they post to see if I can start pegging peeps into town and scum piles.

^ Self-Narrates, does not actually do what is said beyond the questions posed to Varsoon. There does not seem to be a post which asked her to explain this at all.

ehhh I think it would be kinda silly to end the day before we have any real discussion.

However I see Sven's unvote as a town move to prevent the day ending early by someone derp hammering.

^ Positive reinforcement of unvote. Town reads Sven for this.

DID you just OMGUS me Majiffy?

^ I believe this has been answered, but I understood it as bristling at the time. OMGUS accusations when being put at L-1 seemed contrived.

umm already answred about you Sven and you just confirmed my reasoning.

The fact that Icebox (even if one of the heads messed up and posted under his main, made a point to let peeps know I was at L-1 also seems towny.

Majiffy's vote of all seems the most scummy, but I have played a lot of games with him so willing to see what he has to say.

Meanwhile as I said peeps have not yet posted and its what page 2? no way is town ready for the day to end yet.

1. More caution praise.

Bo goes in my town pike after a post like that ...

BTW Bo I am sure Majiffy will splain after Mollie leaves... he is rather distracted.

Because it is RVS is one of the reasons (along with knowing Majiffy pretty well from playing many games with him plus having him in a game I modded), is why I have not pushed much on it.

^ Gets a town read from Bo, reciprocates. Does not question the Sven vote, even though she had him as slight town.

That last statement was for Selkies... sorry about that hit enter too soon.

Yeah DO and Jen need to post. I know from experience that DO is good at being either town or scum, and I really dont know Jen that well,,, So yeah

want more postin goin on

.

I would be happy to provide you scum game links Selikies.

^ Strikes up town points. consistent in the pressing need for more posts. Does not seem to be doing much other than giving reads.

And then I voted her.

Trying to catch up. But going to watch a movie and then need to catch some shut eye.

[Majiffy]

If I were driven up to L-1 early game, you came in and found me suspicious, why exactly wouldn't you talk about my wagon at all?

If everyone else is already talking about it and I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said, obviously my efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

lol

Unless you're going to say "Varsoons posts are bad" and "One scum between Varsoon/Icebox" is the meat and potatoes of your case, I still argue that I wasn't arguing anything to do with your case on Varsoon.

lol

Yeah, that was clearly a response to you bringing up the original point. Good job!

[Majiffy]

Scumbag Icebox

The long version:

Suggests short version. Provides only long version.