Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Selkies]

Selkies, Basicly, if we have icebox + someone else we can bully this town out of retardation, thats my plan

Reread Varsoon then, and let us now what you think.

- f

[Selkies]

now = know.

- f

[Majiffy]

Alright boys, just go ahead and kiss and make up.

Spoiler:

[Majiffy]

That really would have been more humorous if you hadn't posted before me, Selk.

[Svenskt Stål]

On phone, at work, will do at home.

[Svenskt Stål]

Majiffy, Like everything you have done this game its sub par

[Majiffy]

[Svenskt Stål]

I really want to work with you majiffy, but your reads make it impossible

[Selkies]

That really would have been more humorous if you hadn't posted before me, Selk.

You've been a little slow and behind all game, I'm afraid.

[Selkies]

^^ - f

[Varsoon]

I also don't buy any of your "reaction tests" at this point in time.

Let me tell you something. When you reaction test, you MUST tell me what you learnt from the test.

Your first "reaciton test" where you did something deliberately scummy--I called you out for it. I called you out for being scummy, something you agree to. You stated that you didn't know whether or not town or scum would call you out on it.

And then you called me scum for no other reason.

Your second "reaction test" is equally pointless and you have to tell me what you've learned or the exact structuring as the test, because otherwise, it's just you saying scummy shit and then covering it up with an excuse.


You said that we're in a scumteam with DO--seems very unsubstantiated and you need to explain this further.

This is the third time I've asked you to comment on my replies to your 200 or accept them completely, because your 200 case on us was shit through and through.

I wish you'd be a little more specific towards the posts I made, but I'll dredge them up and get back to you.

First of all, it's part of the way that I play to with-hold any information I personally garner from posts and tests. Mafiascum is a game of rhetoric--what is most important is what you put on the page. That's all a person has to read. In this way, posting everything you think and perceive does not equate to good posturing in my mind.

Anyway, into your questions.

I don't like that I must tell -you- what I get from my tests. That's too cynical of a sentence. However, if pressured, I'll give up my reads and what I get out of tests for town's sake. My interactions with Icebox should be reflective of this.

If my first 'test' relates to post 50:
Yes, this is a reaction test. I was deliberately making a scummy move because I know I can defend myself as town, and because, even if I was lynched, I'd flip town and it'd be clear that my wagon was pushed by at least one scum. Narrowing down town's decision to seven players instead of 13 certainly seems like a good play to me. However, the purpose of the post was also a way for me to say something scummy, speak towards a player I had an iffy read on, and move the flow of the game towards scum-hunting. The reactions to post 50 and how I read them are as follows:
Rach ignored the obviously scummy elements and pretty much my whole post altogether. Now, I'm reading that as a definite indicator of scum-proliferating-fluff.
Sven spoke directly to the ambiguity of my post but didn't flip the wagon on me. This put him in more of a town place for me, as I was directly setting myself up to be his target.
Icebox spoke directly to it, but played as what I read as town because instead of spinning it, he inquired towards the purpose of the play I made and put pressure on me with a vote.
Selk, you actually didn't say anything about it at all until post 141/143, which seems much more like scum trying to start a groundless accusation than anything. In fact, I responded directly to what you said in 143, and you're still hounding me. I really don't want to give you the time of day, but I'm doing this because you asked and because I'm town.
Bo realizes immediately that I wasn't seriously making a scum accusation, nor was I scum making a slip. He disengages completely at this point, which is less town than, say, Icebox, but is still not scum in my book.


I called you scum based off of your reaction in post 143 and the other interactions you've had up to the point of post 200. I explicitly state that you fell for the trap I with that post, and you asking me to explain it all is only working against you at this point. I've also asked you to prove that you're town a few times now, as well as other questions and requests, but you haven't heeded a lot of that, so please be grateful that I've given you the courteousy of such a long-winded reply up to this point.

The scumteam comment with DO was in the effort to see DO make a post about it, and to see what you had to say about an accusation based solely on posturing.

Maybe when you ask a player a question, in such a fast game like this, you should put it in bold. That way, you know, that player won't gloss over it.

Now, you're asking me about a second reaction test, but I can't find another place where I was overt about the play I was making.

In fact, this whole repetition of me not answering your questions is really becoming a headache, because I clearly address the very questions you've had for me in posts 200, 470, 353, and 299. You are shaking the wrong town down, and if you're town, it's a poor play on your part. If you are scum, even poorer.

I reiterate:
VOTE: Selkies

I hope that other players can see my post (as well as those I made earlier by ISO'ing me) as a solid case against you.

Your rhetoric betrays a scum-tell, but more than that, it betrays a scummy player who can't format a good deal of his posts in a way that's conducive towards town-play. IF someone wants to call me out on this, ISO him. He's got posts where he bolds his responses within the quote box, or has his response written both in and out of the box. I know that this point is more technical and aside from the game, but it makes it really hard to read you as town as you literally don't read as town.

P-Edit: I also notice that Selkies has been pushing wagons like Varsoon, Rach, etc--all people who are easy scum targets. While I know that I'm town, even if Rach flipped scum, it'd give Selkies the town-cred he needs to seem like an integral part of the game given his amount of activity.

@Majiffy: I like your post, even if I could read it as a dodge. Thanks for speaking directly to what I said.

[Svenskt Stål]

Selkies who do we add besides icebox?

Varsoon unvote jfc

[Svenskt Stål]

Varsoon i cant read that wall from phone, but slow down. I think you might be town, selikie is very likely town... Lets work this out

[Varsoon]

Varsoon i cant read that wall from phone, but slow down. I think you might be town, selikie is very likely town... Lets work this out

I'd like to get a more substantial post out of Selkie before I'm ready to put him down as town.

[Svenskt Stål]

Varsoon, when i get home i will explain why i think selkies is a super bad vote. Until then could you unvote? Freaks me out that selkies has votes.

[Selkies]

Selkies who do we add besides icebox?

Varsoon unvote jfc

I keep hoping majiffy will come to his senses.

I have Rach, DO and Jennifer at null. Rach maybe belongs higher than there but I dunno. She's not digging for reads IMO.

[Svenskt Stål]

Varsoon i cant read that wall from phone, but slow down. I think you might be town, selikie is very likely town... Lets work this out

I'd like to get a more substantial post out of Selkie before I'm ready to put him down as town.

Uhm, selkies has the most substance of everyone.

[Selkies]

Varsoon i cant read that wall from phone, but slow down. I think you might be town, selikie is very likely town... Lets work this out

I'd like to get a more substantial post out of Selkie before I'm ready to put him down as town.

Alright, this is -f. Talk to me. What do you want to know?

We put a lot of argument and work into our reads list. orcinus and I are not exactly of one mind, but we do respect each other's game and we're starting to feel confident that we've got a couple good town reads.

[Varsoon]

@Sven: While I appreciate you trying to diffuse what I'm pushing, it also gives me all kinds of WIFOM sickness.
Also, man, quality over quantity.

@Selkies: I want to know substantial reasons for why you've put down every vote that you've laid so far.
I'd also like to know how you feel about my post 510.
I think answering both of these will provide good content for us to work off of.

[Majiffy]

I really want to work with you majiffy, but your reads make it impossible

I really want to work with you, Sven, but your scum alignment makes it impossible.

@Majiffy: I like your post, even if I could read it as a dodge. Thanks for speaking directly to what I said.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

[RachMarie]

@ Varsoon its them not him Selkies is a hydra of two players (Orc and fery).

What part of I need more from the players who have not yet posted did you miss?

No I dont have set reads yet, because at this point we have like half the players posting loads and the other half have posted almost zippo. I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

[Majiffy]

Yes.

[RachMarie]

What was the yes to?

[Majiffy]

I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

[Varsoon]

I understand how the hydra works.
Going to refer to them as him because in the game, it's a singular entity, taking up a single slot and a single role. Using the plural pronoun, while correct, would also lead to potential confusion.

Also, you can do reads on people who haven't posted much. We all have so far.