Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Svenskt Stål]

that post had alot of majiffy in it, i dont know why.

The posts i quoted has nothing to to wih majiffy.

[RachMarie]

Umm you quoted my read on Majiffy from that game? I would think that has to do with him?

As for Fu, I turned out to be wrong about him, but at that time in the game he really did seem scummy to me.

[Disturbed_One]

@DisturbedOne
- Can you explain what posts you read before your initial vote on RachMarie. You said that you meant it to be RVS and hadn't seen other posts since Day 1, but since we're in Day 1 I'm not sure what that means...
- Why are you voting Sven?

1. That is honestly my bad, I meant page 1 not Day 1. I had read all of page 1 and somehow didn't see that there were other pages, so my vote was based on those pages and was mostly RVS at that.

2. I am voting Sven based mostly on Bo's reasoning in 104, for a very serious early game reaction in #33 and declaring Rach town for no reason as well as an unexplained read-swap in #58.

More thoughts as I continue reading. There's like 9-10 pages I need to catch up on.

[Svenskt Stål]

what? no!

Look, your read from game x does not interest me at all to whom you did it does not interest me. But how you make reads and how you state them interests me.

So can you comment on why you are not making the same kinds of posts this game?

[Disturbed_One]

Question @ Selkies (with pages 1-8 so far of knowledge; need to do a lot more reading):

Why did/do you find Icebox suspicious exactly? Just curious on the reasoning.

[Disturbed_One]

@ Varsoon post #200:

How have I "positioned" myself exactly, and what do you find scummy about said positioning?

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.4

[3] Svenskt Stål (Does Bo Know, Disturbed_One, Majiffy)
[1] Disturbed_One (RachMarie)
[1] RachMarie (Varsoon)
[1] Varsoon (Jennifer)

[3] Not Voting (Icebox, Selkies, Svenskt Stål)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

[Svenskt Stål]

Disturbed one, could you please unvote me until you have catched up

[RachMarie]

oh gods I forgot Icebox....

Simple and the reason I stated earlier that if things kept up at that pace I might have to replace out. I have not been able to do my usual level of reading through ISOs and stalking out meta and stuffs cause well hey this game is insanely fast, if it slows down maybe I can finally get a grip on it. If you guys lynch me for that, you do it will be a mislynch but town still can win even if I am dead.

why so worried about his vote there Sven?

[RachMarie]

After al you are at L-2, and of the 3 not voting you that would be Icebox, yourself, and Selikes, I dont see either Selikies voting for you again, and I doubt you will self vote, so why the push?

[Disturbed_One]

Disturbed one, could you please unvote me until you have catched up

Why should I? Votes are good for information.

[Disturbed_One]

Also, read up to page 10 at this point. I will have to catch up on the rest later.

[Svenskt Stål]

I have zero confience in this town. Thats why I want to be the opposite of close to lynch.

[Jennifer]

Oh my god, you guys...

1 day and already 16 more pages...

I will go through today to get an updated sense of things (and pray there aren't 16 more pages by the time I do).

FYI, my activity level is completely dependent on how busy things are at work. Luckily, I'm back home today so it should hopefully be slower so I can get on the same page as you guys.

[Icebox]

So there are 2 scums in this game, right? (Based on the 9-players setup)

Right now, I'm feeling that Majiffy and Selk are scum.

Except for that they both can't be scum at the same time.

@Selkies: Normally, doing something scummy and calling it a reaction is scummy as hell. However, for Varsoon, it really doesn't work that way. Last game, he literally quickhammered for "reaction test" and he was town.
Have you read Varsoon's first game?

And yeah Varsoon is still town 4 me.

@ Varsoon its them not him Selkies is a hydra of two players (Orc and fery).

What part of I need more from the players who have not yet posted did you miss?

No I dont have set reads yet, because at this point we have like half the players posting loads and the other half have posted almost zippo. I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

WHY U KEEP BEING USELESS

Oh I see V/S made up. ok.

1. Peeps read me as scummy when I am Town.

Then you got a problem.
Anyway, that argument doesn't really do anything.

[Selkies]

Question @ Selkies (with pages 1-8 so far of knowledge; need to do a lot more reading):

Why did/do you find Icebox suspicious exactly? Just curious on the reasoning.

We don't any more.

Orci put a random vote down on Icebox in his first post. At post 141he voted Icebox again, with a case. Later, he was not happy with Icebox being on Rach's bandwagon when it went to L-1.

Icebox went to a townread for both of us based on his answers when Orcinus was grilling him.

- f

[Selkies]

Hmm, if icebox likes both selkies and me we have a third.

We still need a fourth to be in a comfortable anti retard position.

I am kinda doing a 180 on BO

... and being unsure on vansoor, but those two are the ones I feel most comfortable adding as of right now. I skimmed both and can still see them going either way, I need to interact more with them to make a decision, but what do you guys think?

My gut scum team right now is rach/majiffy, or rachiffy.

UNVOTE

What led to the 180? Orcinus' gut has similar ideas, even though he had Rach at null-town based on content. Still, he doesn't trust her due to prior game experience.

[RachMarie]

I was town in our previous games bah yeah that is typical of Orc.

[Selkies]

I was town in our previous games bah yeah that is typical of Orc.

I could be misremembering his reason for distrust. He can clear that up when hes around.

- f

[Selkies]

Latest town game of rach I could find

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26040

66 posts, please skim and get back to me.

I've read it, with most of my focus on day 1. In that game she's more assertive, more questioning, and she's putting reads down. IME sometimes scum are cautious about reads because they worry about needing to back off the read later. Not all scum players are that way, of course. But, it's a difference between the two games in her play and could be alignment-indicative.

In this game, her posts commenting on in-thread stuff that has nothing to do with figuring players out kind of stand out by comparison. But, that quantity of non-hunting posts is also driven by the size of the thread. I guess you'd have to think about it as a percentage, and add a fudge factor for annoyance with the occasional sprint-posting blitz and the thread size.

Have you read one of her scum games?

[Selkies]

So there are 2 scums in this game, right? (Based on the 9-players setup)

Right now, I'm feeling that Majiffy and Selk are scum.

Except for that they both can't be scum at the same time.

@Selkies: Normally, doing something scummy and calling it a reaction is scummy as hell. However, for Varsoon, it really doesn't work that way. Last game, he literally quickhammered for "reaction test" and he was town.
Have you read Varsoon's first game?

And yeah Varsoon is still town 4 me.

@ Varsoon its them not him Selkies is a hydra of two players (Orc and fery).

What part of I need more from the players who have not yet posted did you miss?

No I dont have set reads yet, because at this point we have like half the players posting loads and the other half have posted almost zippo. I am supposed have figured out the 2 scum from that already?

WHY U KEEP BEING USELESS

Oh I see V/S made up. ok.

1. Peeps read me as scummy when I am Town.

Then you got a problem.
Anyway, that argument doesn't really do anything.

Yeah, we got there eventually. What are you thinking to do with your vote now?

[Icebox]

Still waiting for Rem. Betcha it's gonna land on Rach.

[Selkies]

Possibly Rach or Majiffy here.

I need to carefully read through all that crap between Majiffy and my alter ego today.

Majiffy's sudden tactical drop of our wagon in favor of Svenskt looks sketchy to me. I'm learning that there's a tendency for MS players to do that - give up and move on quickly, but it still bothers me.

- f

[Icebox]

I think the general stuff here is "i don't mind switching wagons any time as long as I'm voting my scumread."

[Does Bo Know]

Got done with everything a lot quicker than expected. Doing a big catch up post in Word right now.