Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Revenus]

Revenus what are your "solid" townreads (#641)? I would were much like to hear other peoples opinions. Also if you have solid reasoning it helps other players to confirm your role.

Your slot is still a solid townread from my earlier read on Fropome. Fropome was very town and very honest IMO.

FF used to be, but he's working his way back from a bad post, but over a reread, I still have him as townish. This is just based on the sheer amount of posts and effort he's been putting into the game.

Eye Urn and Mac have been posting things VERY similar to my thought process, so they're also solid townreads.

[goodmorning]

How would that make them Town as opposed to just sheep?

[Z7-852]

ArcAngel9

is right on one thing (#645). It's hard to get information when we are goinging around and around on one player. Like I said earlier I don't really have good reads on anyone yet. She also seems to steam up and losing her cool (#645). Throwing accusations left and right without more reasoning than long posts and that we are pressuring her. Now even she pulls her pressure off CareyHammer. Seem like she don't have any reads on anyone and just tries to get focus off of her.

After I have joined the game

goodmorning

have not really given too much content. Also I it seem odd that experienced player only gives read lists (#645) without much of reasoning behind it. And some one have to have more reads on this point than just that everybody is null. I really have to up her few point. Most of her post have been single line observations about people. I should really read the whole thread to get better reads but I really don't have time for read that much. Also other people that I trust don't have either strong townreads on you.

Thank you

Revenus

about your thoughts (#650) about players. But I would still like to have more content from you. Would help to confirm you as a townie. On the other hand it's useless to do posts in sake of doing posts. This being said.

Eye urn

,

Deras

or

Mac

haven't given anything in content in over a day. Might be just busy or they are lurking around to wait for L-1 or something like that. In any case I will up them little bit.

This was relatively slow day and much didn't happen that makes me chance my mind about players. I'am really starting to fear that CareyHammer replacement comes and ends the day without much thought about it but I will still VOTE: ArcAngel9. I do this just to keep the game going and so that people would make more content. We will also see if anyone takes a hammervote.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < Goodmorning < CareyHammer < ArcAngel9

[Revenus]

How would that make them Town as opposed to just sheep?

Because they're not sheeping, they're posting original content that happens to be very much in line with what I'm thinking or have posted before.

[goodmorning]

Aaaaand Z is flip-flopping more than a paranoid flounder on meth. I do not know why you all have townreads on him or his slot.

[fferyllt]

I thought we were going to wait for Carey's replacement?

Not liking this.

[Z7-852]

I can UNVOTE: ArcAngel9 if that makes you feel more relaxed (#655) fferyllt. It just seems that this game is not going anywhere if we just wait around and throw same accusations around. At least I haven't had more information during these past few days. I would like to continue the day for bit longer in order to get more information but don't see point dragging it on if players are not writing anything. ArcAngel9 is my only solid scum read. I don't have good reads on anyone else so far.
What comes to goodmornings claim (#654) of me flip-flopping I really don't feel like it. I'am just making my real expressions about the game and that's the reason why I really have solid roles for any player. My only good read is ArcAngel9 and have hunch on rest. Currently I have no idea who could be ArcAngel9s buddy.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < Goodmorning < CareyHammer < ArcAngel9

[fferyllt]

With a new and unknown player coming into the game, being at L-1 worries me.

[Mac]

Yeah, whilst we are one down, we shouldn't be lynching anyone 'til we find a replacement. Putting someone at L-1 is not good either, just because they could be a troll who joins and hammers straight away.

[goodmorning]

Mac is correct.

Z is Scum (just one solid read? Really?)

I will be V/LA til Sunday at the latest.

Noted.

[Revenus]

Mac is correct.

Z is Scum (just one solid read? Really?)

I will be V/LA til Sunday at the latest.

So fropome/z is scum for being less sure of his reads than everyone else? Really?

[goodmorning]

Well, keeping one's options open (so to speak) is a mild scumtell. This is, of course, just the latest in a long line of scummy behaviour from that slot.

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: GoodMorning
I am voting becuase of her meta, this is her scum play.
If you're all not decide to lynch me today.. GM is good candidate, If you all lynch me today, remember to take GM down tomorrow becuz she is the scum.
Post # 649 is the best example.

And you can reivew her Scum Play in the following games...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4695783

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4829462

[goodmorning]

Yeah, Music Theory Mafia's probably only a good meta for my incredibad Scum play.

[Z7-852]

I agree with fferyllt (#657) and Mac (#658) with point that someone being at L-1 when new player comes is a risk. But this is a risk I'am willing to take in order to get more information. There are couple of reasons for that. I have a strong read on ArcAngel9 and if replacement does something that stupid at end of day 1 (understandable in later game) we get information on their role also. And about players game style.

I would like to say that how

goodmorning

acted (#659) is a solid scum tell. Blaming townie for not having reads after being in game for few days. But this cannot be the case if ArcAngel9 is a scum. There is a slim chance that a scum would vote (#662) for other scum even in this situation. So either ArcAngel9 and goodmorning are in opposite teams or ArcAngel plays brilliant gambit when she knows she will be lynched. Goodmorning still looks very scumish. Tough luck when my two other scum reads are players that don't seems to be in the same team as my strongest scum candidate.

I will be heading to sleep for know. I will be V/LA during weekend but will still most likely to post at least 1 message each day. Please make for content during weekend so we don't need to use lurking as a lynching reason.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < Goodmorning < CareyHammer < ArcAngel9

[ArcAngel9]

^ How irony you think that I could be scum with GM, do you actually think if i am scum GM that i would ask town to carry my reads and lynch GM next day based on my filp???
I know what my flip going to be and it is not what you expected.

So the case you're applying on GM is relatively smooth but you came very strong on a simple case. That doesn't fit so well...

[Eye Urn]

How would that make them Town as opposed to just sheep?

Because they're not sheeping, they're posting original content that happens to be very much in line with what I'm thinking or have posted before.

This is very nearly the same thing that GM said to me earlier. In both cases it's not that we agree with what those people are saying, but that their reasoning is along the same lines as our own reasoning which we know to be from a Town viewpoint. It stands out so much as Town precisely because we know exactly why the arguments are being made, and would have possibly have made them if we had the time to write down every single one of our thoughts about the game. When you have a random thought about something but don't fully develop the idea before you see someone else post exactly the same thing, you're going to get a major Town read from that post because that person had no way of knowing that you'd have the idea that you did. So it's not that we're agreeing with each, but that we're unconsciously agreeing with each before we even post.

It's looking like GM is trying to pry apart people who recognize each others' thought processes by claiming that we're just agreeing, when that's far from the truth. She might even push it off as part of her IC behavior and to some extent what she's saying is correct, but the problem is that she's mischaracterizing our arguments and the lines of our reads saying that we just happen to agree. I'd serious consider voting for her again in the future, but for now we just need to get Carey's replacement to talk a bit about the game before we lynch ArcAngel.

[Deras]

Aaaaand Z is flip-flopping more than a paranoid flounder on meth. I do not know why you all have townreads on him or his slot.

Could you point out where he is flip-flopping? Other than downgrading you from leaning town to leaning scum, I think his reads have been fairly consistent.


649 did strike me as a little odd, GM giving no reasoning for her reads. I did a quick search and only found two games where she gave readlists with no reasoning Open 474 and Micro 137, on both games she was scum. She does have 7 non-town games to 4 town games and her town games are earlier so it might just be that her play has evolved, but I still think it's worth taking into consideration.


AA9 hasn't said anything to change my views of her though, so I consider her much scummier than GM.

[TraceyLyn11]

VisceraEyes comes to the rescue and replaces CareyHammer. Welcome him!

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 1.10

[L-4] Z7-852: (goodmorning)

[L-5] fferyllt:

[L-5] Deras:

[L-2] ArcAngel9: (Eye Urn, Deras, fferyllt)

[L-5] Mac:

[L-5] Eye Urn:

[L-3]

CareyHammer

VisceraEyes: (Revenus, Mac)

[L-5] Revenus:

[L-4] goodmorning: (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting:

2 (VisceraEyes, Z7-852)

• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Day One's deadline: April 18, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-04-18 20:45:00).
  
• V/LA: goodmorning ((expired on 2013-04-14 00:00:00))
  
• VisceraEyes replaced CareyHammer.

[Mac]

@ Mod

- going to have limited access for a couple of days.

Noted.

[goodmorning]

I would like to say that how

goodmorning

acted (#659) is a solid scum tell. Blaming townie for not having reads after being in game for few days.

The game has been going on for 2 weeks and upwards of 20 pages. I expect anyone who replaces in to at least have glanced over these and to be able to have more than one strong read. I also do not like your attempt to paint yourself as Town here.
Question: What evidence do you have against an AA-Carey team?

It's looking like GM is trying to pry apart people who recognize each others' thought processes by claiming that we're just agreeing, when that's far from the truth. She might even push it off as part of her IC behavior and to some extent what she's saying is correct, but the problem is that she's mischaracterizing our arguments and the lines of our reads saying that we just happen to agree.

If you say "I agree with these people so I feel like they're Town" I'm not going to extrapolate "I might have had the same thought if I'd just written it all down" from that. I'm not trying to "pry [these people] apart" either, I'm just saying it's a silly way to Townhunt.

Could you point out where he is flip-flopping? Other than downgrading you from leaning town to leaning scum, I think his reads have been fairly consistent.

That may be so. Honestly I've not been sleeping much recently, so I've been paying slightly less attention to Mafia.

649 did strike me as a little odd, GM giving no reasoning for her reads.

I've given my reasoning on pretty much all those reads many times before. I see no reason to gum up the thread with redundancies.

VisceraEyes comes to the rescue and replaces CareyHammer. Welcome him!

I've never heard of him. How unusual.

[Eye Urn]

It's looking like GM is trying to pry apart people who recognize each others' thought processes by claiming that we're just agreeing, when that's far from the truth. She might even push it off as part of her IC behavior and to some extent what she's saying is correct, but the problem is that she's mischaracterizing our arguments and the lines of our reads saying that we just happen to agree.

If you say "I agree with these people so I feel like they're Town" I'm not going to extrapolate "I might have had the same thought if I'd just written it all down" from that. I'm not trying to "pry [these people] apart" either, I'm just saying it's a silly way to Townhunt.

Except that Revenus said pretty explicitly that Mac and I had been posting things similar to his thought processes, not that we were agreeing with him. GM suggested in 644 that it might have meant that we were sheeping when it was the exact opposite: posting original content that Revenus had thought of but not posted.

Could you point out where he is flip-flopping? Other than downgrading you from leaning town to leaning scum, I think his reads have been fairly consistent.

That may be so. Honestly I've not been sleeping much recently, so I've been paying slightly less attention to Mafia.

I basically agree with Deras; I only see flip-flopping if one takes his accidental post of the player list with another player's reads as his own reads. The statement about flip-flopping with the bizarre metaphor was apparently just an attempt to discredit what he was saying with no basis in truth.

[Z7-852]

I really don' believe what ArcAngel9 (#665) said that she and goodmorning are a scum team. I found this to be most unlikely. Also unlike goodmorning said (#671) I also don't think that ArcAngel and VisceraEyes (CareyHammer) are a scum team. I stated this much earlier (#598). But I can't rule out the possibility of VisceraEyes and goodmorning being buddies. That's a real possibility and currently best possibility that I have for scum partners. This being said I still think that ArcAngel9 might be a scum and I just haven't yet pinpointed her partner.

I agree with Eye Urn (#666) that townies must always put every thought they have down on a paper. Even if you have problems delivering the exact thought you should open your thought process. This helps other players to organize their thoughts and gives better reads on the players. Townies have nothing to hide so they should give out as much information as humanly possible. Goodmorning logic on the topic (#671) might apply if we would believe that player who claims to think the same way is also townie. But I do not. It might help the player thinking the same way but not any other player (and least the player making the original claims).

Don't know about Eye Urns claim (#666) that goodmorning is trying to push people apart just for thinking same way. This might be strategy for a scum but at least goodmorning haven't played a good IC. She haven't broken down the logic behind the claims as well as IC should have. Might be scum, might be a poor IC. More a read goodmornings post more I think she's a scum. Deras pointed out the same concert (#667) that I have about goodmornings play style. She doesn't give any reasoning behind her logic. Or at least the reasoning is too minimal for my taste. Her latest post (#671) have been improvement to the right direction.

I'am really concern about this VisceraEyes fellow. She/he have been in the game for almost a day and not as much as a hello so far.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < Goodmorning < VisceraEyes < ArcAngel9

[goodmorning]

The IC's job isn't to be the very best player. The IC's job is to help players new to the site get acquainted with it.