Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Does Bo Know]

I agree with Sven, I don't think Majiffy and Rach are scum together anymore either. Majiffy and Rach are both under suspicion, and Majiffy to try calling Rach town at this point if they were scumbuddies doesn't make any sense.

[Varsoon]

@ Varsoon post #200:

How have I "positioned" myself exactly, and what do you find scummy about said positioning?

As of Post 200?
You parked a vote in 148 without reasoning, you evade in 150, evade in 156, use Bo's case instead of building on it in 169. It just seemed like you weren't generating any useful content of your own while you were constantly using excuses of the thread being active and you having to read and catch up. Except, once caught up, you didn't post anything for, like, 400 posts. It just struck me as scummy for all these reasons.

Okay, guys. I'm trying a surgical strike.

Consider my vote on Rach, but I am not yet switching because I saw while trying to catch up that she has some more votes on her again, and I'm not sure of the exact vote count.


@Varsoon
You mentioned here that your statement that Sven was kinda scummy was a reaction test. But it leaves me with the question: at that point did you consider Sven kinda scummy? Or was that totally made up and you had a town/null read on him?
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Rach's post really rubs me the wrong way. The game started less than 48 hours ago during the work week. Nobody is lurking at this point, and it feels disingenuous to be calling people out demanding more content, when it's not that people are lurking but that others are in hyper-post mode. (A fact Rach herself noted earlier when she said all the posts were making it so that she didn't know if she was coming or going). Voting DO because she wants more content seems like an easy placeholder vote to make without committing to what is going on in the game.

I also don't like her vote on DO based on the given reasoning of DO not commenting on Bo. Not sure what she would expect to him to state and why the lack of stating it makes him scummy. DO did state that his vote on Sven was because of the case Bo presented.

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More later!

p-edit @Sven

I have a job + full time university studies. Dont try to read everything, focus on interacting when you have time aviable and use the past post as data. Focus on a few people and interactions.

Yeah, I'll give that a go... otherwise I feel like I'm never going to dig out.

As for what's directly targeted at me in this post...
I felt uneasy because of his OMGUS in 33 (without a vote, but still. ((Damn it, now I'm saying OMGUS))), his flip-flopping of votes, and the lack of quoting/substantial scumhunting that he had done by the time of the post in question. More of it seemed like buddying to me, but since then I've put him on the back-burner. I'd rather pressure players like Majiffy and Rach, who currently have votes on Sven.

If you can elaborate why a Rach lynch is stupid, that would be great. I'll get to you in 30 minutes with a somewhat case on you, mainly because I'm pretty sure all my general thoughts are in the wall post with some linked posts in there to back them up.

I... don't know why I quoted this.
Probably wanted to talk about the Rach lynch.
At this point, I agree with Sven on the idea that a Majiffy wagon would turn up more workable content, although Rach's positioning of "But wait I am town don't lynch this is how I do town" is really reading off to me.

Right now I would go Majiffy before rach.

Dont think they are both scum by the way majiffy is approaching rach.

Maybee we should ease of rach as wagoning her gives us nothing except a lynch.

VOTE MAJIFFY

I agree that the Rach pressure isn't getting us much, and we already saw a reply there.
I'm flip-flop on Majiffy, but I don't like his posts as of late.

VOTE: Majiffy
C'mon, man, step it up.

As of now, I agree most with Icebox's focus towards Rach/Sven/Majiffy because that's where a majority of the conflict of this game is. That said, please don't exclude examining other players and keeping an eye out for slips. I'd hate to tunnelvision on this one, or have scum dictate the focus of the game.

[Majiffy]

VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

If I have to read OMGUS one more time, I'll break something.

You're going to hate this site.

so if she doesnt do anything scummy she is towny?

If I already have a town read on her, yes.

Problem?

1.) You sounded like you wanted him to intend to say something scummy but ok
2.) She didn't react. And I don't react like Sven. So yeah.

Not elaborating enough on your town read.

My case on you is pretty much all in here. It's throughout the wall.

1) Given that he's a scum read, yeah, I'd like it if he slips; it makes my life easier.
2) She reacted. I've played enough games with her to know when she's flat-out ignoring something or when she's legitimately unphased.

Not sure what else you want from me re: Rach.

I read your "case" on me. I'm saying the claims you make are unfounded.

Actually, saying she hasn't done anything you think is scummy isn't that bad of an elaboration.

But it would be a lazy answer for scum.

Remove blinders.
Lynch Sven.

[Svenskt Stål]

VOTE MAJIFFY

Dat OMGUS.

If I have to read OMGUS one more time, I'll break something.

Yo dawg I herd you liek OMGUS so I OMGUS your OMGUS while you OMGUS my OMGUS
*Icebox runs

Seriously, I think it's a good time for me to look over Sven/Majiffy/Rach again.

What?

Actually, saying she hasn't done anything you think is scummy isn't that bad of an elaboration.

But it would be a lazy answer for scum.

Its a very bad elaboration.

[Svenskt Stål]

It's what started my town read on her, yeah.

Since then she has been acting reasonably town, if not a little scatter-brained. But that's typical for her.

This reads like she has done stuff that is towny since the reaction from the wagon.

so if she doesnt do anything scummy she is towny?

If I already have a town read on her, yes.

Problem?

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This reads like she hasnt.

Which is it?

[Does Bo Know]

I read your "case" on me. I'm saying the claims you make are unfounded.

Not sure what you mean by "unfounded" considering I have linked posts next to every comment I make about you.

Actually, saying she hasn't done anything you think is scummy isn't that bad of an elaboration.

But it would be a lazy answer for scum.

Remove blinders.
Lynch Sven.

Not lynching Sven. Sorry.

PEdit: It's actually not that bad of an elaboration unless you'd like him to say why everything we're saying about Rach-scum isn't scummy. I do that sometimes as both town and scum. The fact he isn't rising to Rach's defense without being heavily provoked also points toward them not being a scum team.

I wanted to see if we could get Rach to respond to her wagon first, but that's probably not gonna happen now that the wagon's diluted.

Might jump on the Majiffy wagon if my vote doesn't lynch him, hold on.

PEdit2: Sven, that's not too great of logic either. They both definitely read like he thinks she's done townie stuff since the reaction from the wagon. I don't see how you thought otherwise. *shrug*

[Majiffy]

I read your "case" on me. I'm saying the claims you make are unfounded.

Not sure what you mean by "unfounded" considering I have linked posts next to every comment I make about you.

I mean that they have no basis in reality or are otherwise blind speculation with no reasoning to back up the thought processes behind them.

[Svenskt Stål]

It's what started my town read on her, yeah.

Since then she has been acting reasonably town, if not a little scatter-brained. But that's typical for her.

Bo, your vote would put majiffy at L2

[Svenskt Stål]

And bo, they are not reading as he same thing.

In one he says, she acted well under pressure and has been decently towny afterwards

why?

because she hasnt been scummy

thats null, not towny, dont know how you can read it the way you do.

[Majiffy]

If you fill a glass up with water, and then leave it out on the table, do you think the glass will still be full of water?

Yes, it will be.

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

[Svenskt Stål]

Thats nifty. But does not blend with

It's what started my town read on her, yeah.

Since then she has been acting reasonably town

, if not a little scatter-brained. But that's typical for her.

[Majiffy]

Learn English better and get back to me.

[Svenskt Stål]

Nice defence, you cleared up alot.

[Selkies]

PEdit: It's actually not that bad of an elaboration unless you'd like him to say why everything we're saying about Rach-scum isn't scummy. I do that sometimes as both town and scum. The fact he isn't rising to Rach's defense without being heavily provoked also points toward them not being a scum team.

I guess this is a site meta thing. I've read a few comments in this game and others about how scum (in general) would or wouldn't do certain things.

How well do thumbnails about what scum in general do match what Majiffy as scum would do? Scum don't win games by being predictable IME.

[Svenskt Stål]

dont think majiffy wrote that,,,it was bo right?

[Selkies]

If you fill a glass up with water, and then leave it out on the table, do you think the glass will still be full of water?

Yes, it will be.

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

Reads that don't get refreshed with continued alignment-expected behaviors grow stale. Or should. Scum occasionally skate to endgame on the basis of one or two memorable early protown actions, but that's a failure on town's part to keep expectations high.

[Selkies]

dont think majiffy wrote that,,,it was bo right?

You're right. I messed up a quote with highlight somehow.

- f

[Majiffy]

Yeah I type p-edit with a hyphen.

[Majiffy]

Reads that don't get refreshed with continued alignment-expected behaviors grow stale. Or should. Scum occasionally skate to endgame on the basis of one or two memorable early protown actions, but that's a failure on town's part to keep expectations high.

Well when we get to endgame and Rach is still around I'll consider changing my opinion, eh?

It's still day one - your argument about reads growing stale is moot.

[Selkies]

Reads that don't get refreshed with continued alignment-expected behaviors grow stale. Or should. Scum occasionally skate to endgame on the basis of one or two memorable early protown actions, but that's a failure on town's part to keep expectations high.

Well when we get to endgame and Rach is still around I'll consider changing my opinion, eh?

It's still day one - your argument about reads growing stale is moot.

Disagree. I downgrade town reads in these long-ass day ones pretty frequently.

[Jennifer]

Hey guys. I'm around if you want to chat.

I haven't paid much attention to Majiffy yet other than the initial Rach vote. The main thing I noticed while trying to catch up was lots of e-peening, but that's not alignment indicative. My understanding is that he has a reputation on this site of being a strong player, so unless there are strong scum signs, I'd be inclined to see if that reputation plays out here.

A Rach lynch would be a solid choice.

VOTE: Rach
^ L-2 (again)

[Jennifer]

Sheesh... it took TWO submits to get a word in edge-wise!

[Majiffy]

Disagree. I downgrade town reads in these long-ass day ones pretty frequently.

Well that's you. Do you want a medal or something?

[Does Bo Know]

Jennifer.

You should pay attention to Majiffy.

Just saying.

[Selkies]

Disagree. I downgrade town reads in these long-ass day ones pretty frequently.

Well that's you. Do you want a medal or something?

Nah. I'm self-motivated.