Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Selkies]

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

I still hate you as a person and a player but I can agree with this

A lot of the coments in the ISO section really didn't match the reads at the end

But then again, Icebox has been following the thread as a whole, so when making this post, he probably already had some reads in his mind. I don't necessarily think this is scum.

[Icebox]

I am talking about the movements related to everyone else regarding her lynch. Her death just from HER posts won't give much. But those who have reacted to this wagon, it will reveal a lot on.

[Selkies]

@icebox

I skimmed your list and it looks like the only question for me is on post 342 and I am not sure what you are asking? It was *my* first real attempt to engage varsoon. and was mostly responses to his post...um...200?

Anyway. Orcinus is having a look, too and will reply. I'm about to go party so I'll clarify 342 when I get a chance later.

[Icebox]

Varsoon's post 200 is so spoiler-filled that I'm not gong to try to quote it and insert my observations.

I asked earlier about mafia experience and that post is bristling with mafia theory (rather unique theory in my estimation) so I'll retract that question.
His reply to Bo's 104 is interesting. He explains that his non-voting post about scummy absolute statements was a reaction test, but seems ambivalent about the utility of such testing.

More interesting game theory. I think I remember reading a game played to this theory once. It was painful to read. One town special after another was put to L-1, and forced to out before a vanilla townie was finally lynched. I lost interest after reading into day 2 and found something less depressing to do.

Here the previously ambivalent reaction test is now a trap, which other-Selkies has haplessly wandered into.

Will get to his scum reads in a bit.

@Varsoon, I'm reluctant to just dismiss this as scummy. I'm going to break down and read your previous MS game.

- f

I am asking what you meant by this. Do you think that Varsoon's reaction test, is actually a trap meant to trap town to get a mislynch? I didn't understand what you meant either, probably why the question is hard to understand.

[Selkies]

#132: Says what Bo is doing (giving reads early) is scummy.Does not pursue it.
#140: Wants to excuse Rach. I think this leads to a trend of Orc Hydra defending her. He quickly makes a case against us in #141

Sure

#143 makes a case against Varsoon which would be odd, if it wasn't obvious that he is trying to pressure everyone for information.

Why would this be odd?

#161 last line is strange, she thinks there is scum on the wagon, but not elaborate.

Are you reading the post?
"I don't like several votes on Rach. Majiffy, but that's RVS for you. More importantly, Icebox, D_O, Sven, and my scumreads on the people on Rach's wagon makes Rach likely to be town from my perspective."

I had scumreads on you, Sven, with NLS DO and RVS Majiffy. How is this not elaborating? Also, this was me, not fery.

#207: Blow fishing it up. Trying to make himself seem larger than he is. Intimidated~ Trying to push Varsoon down. Normal personality type. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

What the fuck? I'm saying how Varsoon's case was self-contradictory and I still didn't understand why Varsoon was voting us when we jumped on him for doing something scummy, something that he said wasn't necessarily alignment-indicative.

#227: Worthless follow up questions are worthless.

Like this post.

#232: What is this post. Is there some sort of file for RVS questions and out of RVS questions? Did I miss the meeting?

Are you high. Why would people ask RVS-theory questions, considering they aren't alignment indicative and detract from actual scumhunting? I was discouraging this.

#255: Talking this out. Is protown~

This is a really weak reason for calling us protown. Entirety of post reproduced below:
"Null lean scum

Tell me why you don't like my posts, let's talk this out"

#265: I imagine she eventually explained this unvote.I hope she did. -f.

Fery had a town vibe on Sven since the start of the game, you need to read closer

#268: Lol. I agree, very scummy of yourself to do that. -f. Townie post.

This is me
I don't like how you're attributing all townie posts to -f and all the questionable ones to me everyone does this

#269: Yeah his case was bad, but you responded the wrong way to it.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to reply to a shitcase aside from "this is shit".

#275: Wifom: But town and scum do this. Answered this question in #332

What exactly is WIFOM?

#290: The "You don't know me!" post.

I feel like this is a misrepresentation of the specific post.

#Selkies: Orc is way to involved in his posts, arguments and reads to be scum this game.

I honestly thought we were scum in your POV before this note.

#301: "I'm town this game" Only town me does this! Maybe it is true for -f as well.

This was fery's post.

#317: (checks file) RVS question.

Not a RVS question, a question which impacts our read on him. It was meta.

#328: When did you withdraw it? The case on us I mean.

When I unvoted you.

#334: Uncalled for. Majiffy is reading the thread. Still, You're proving the point you're too emotionally involved in your arguments and mafia. BUT, this helps get a read on you, so that helps.

"Read the thread"

#342: Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you mean you think Varsoon laid a trap which lead to your current position at the time of this post?

Fery answers this because I don't read her walls (sorry!)

#366: Reasonable vote.

Sure.

#400: a possible town slip.

What exactly?

#475: This is par for the course and you should do this Varsoon.

Sure.

[Selkies]

No, I didn't mean it was a town trap. I just meant that it seemed like the purpose of the post evolved a little, at least descriptively. The "hapless" stuff was me being ironic and snarky.

- f

[Selkies]

#132: Says what Bo is doing (giving reads early) is scummy.Does not pursue it.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

No.

No.

No.

PEdit2: Selkies ninja'd me grrr. Even though I disagree that giving reads quickly is a scum tell. It's mainly null, IMO. Scum might not want to give quick reads because it might put them under heavy questioning they don't want for reads they don't expect to explain the first time.

Given that I mislynched my hydra buddy based on too quick a read on me, maybe.

I still think it's suspicious if you don't have meta knowledge. Some people can tell the alignment of a person they've played with a lot from one or two posts, so that's okay I guess. But when people give strong non-RVS reads based on very few evidence, it makes me suspicious because it doesn't seem based on town-motivation of finding scum and more like giving reads just to fly under the radar.

This is a fairly pointless discussion though.

Can you read this post again and see if you are coming to the same conclusion?

[Selkies]

And before anybody asks me why I don't read Fery's walls: She tells me everything I need to know on gchat and I need to read way too much for this game.

[Icebox]

#680: Okay. I get it now.
#681: What I meant by this is that even though your reasoning states that you think Rach is scum because your scum reads vote her, you didn't explain why each vote was particularly scummy, which is what I wanted you to elaborate on.

Please Note I responded to each post individually and it is not conducive to the whole, I caught up.

Not sure how to format response to 672 without making it look god awful.

[Selkies]

Oh no I didn't feel the votes were scummy, I felt the people were scummy

And that I elaborated on previously

Nobody likes my formatting :/

[Selkies]

Oh wait I thought that was replying to 161

Your 683 isn't related to 681 at all

[Majiffy]

... You town read me from me posting a song?

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

Icebox.

[Selkies]

Please Note I responded to each post individually and it is not conducive to the whole, I caught up.

Majiffy

[Majiffy]

Fun fact: that doesn't actually address any of the qualms I brought up in my post.

Now address my post, please.

[Icebox]

Spoiler:

#208: Do not lynch Majiffy. Listen to song if disagree. Then come to conclusion that he is town this game.

... You town read me from me posting a song?

Anyway, I'm not happy with this post as a whole. Seems like you approached it with reads in mind and then retroactively picked posts to support.

A joke. I also liked the music and kept it on repeat while catching up, which kept my motivation up. In a way, it actually was protown. However, The possibly town read comes entirely from response to #272. And your analysis of Selkie's play.

Onto Orc's questions.
Going to format it like this: I will respond to each Bolded black point top to bottom as 1,2,3,4,5,6.

2. It would be odd because he had hardly posted yet, but you built a large case on him.
6. Okay.
7. "This is a really weak reason for calling us protown." I am saying it is pro-town to talk things out, did it sound like it made you obv. town? I look for town and scum tells. Talking things out, is protown. Not communicating is anti-town, you might say "but what about Sven" and the answer to that is "Because he ultimately communicated with you even though he said he was going to ignore you." Read the Sven spoiler for more on this. Rach has pointed this out too, in her own way.
13. It isn't, it's my general interpretation, if wrong, I apologize.

#400: a possible town slip.
What exactly?"

"brain needs to process what I've been reading" While this can be interpreted as "I need to process the game because I need to figure out how to not get lynched and get town mislynched -Scum Selkie" I think it more likely to be: "I need to think abut this game to figure out who is town and who is scum. -Town Selkie" which scum don't have to do because they already know who is town and who is scum. It doesn't actually make any sense to put this sentence in there for scum Selkie.

[RachMarie]

Ok giuys n gals

After staying up ALL night so I could make my very early ENT appointment, having yogurt after, and then riding the bus home, I took a few hours nap. In that time ya all posted again.

Let me clarify...

When I said posting more, I meant in relation to everyone else. I feel like there is so much noise and a total imbalance in this game due to some peeps being so hyperactive at posting.

@ Jen yeah that whole taking several times to get a post through has happened to me too a number of times.
Pbpa analysis?? ok why? I find that usually is scummy. Easy to make yourself look like you are trying to post content without actually posting content. It is one of the things I look for from LS when he is in a game with me cause that is how I usually nail him as scum.

I did however manage to stalk one game of Sven's so far.

I notice that the hyper aggressive hyper posting style is also in that game as well... Am I a stand in for MM in this game for you Sven? I will get ya all the link.

At least I am not a PR this time

Claim I am a VT.

Even if ya all lynch me Town still can win this game,

All I ask is give me a bit more time to sort out my reads and give them to you. Thanks

[Majiffy]

Why the fuck would you claim already? -.-

[RachMarie]

Arent I at L-1?

[Majiffy]

I have no idea. But either way; no one has stated intent.
Derp.

[RachMarie]

sigh well this game I just cant get a handle on.

Leaving it in your capable hands Jiffy

Just waiting for NS to get back from the store then drops and sleep my head really hurts ear too.

[Icebox]

^ This posts makes me sad for more than one reason. Hope you feel better.

Not sure if I still want to lynch yet. Will discuss with GIF. Might be worth digging around some more.

-Rem.

[Varsoon]

@Icebox: I was town in our first game and I can't reveal my alignments in the others since they're ongoing, but as of now, I think town is more appealing to play as scum, even if I'd enjoy playing a scum game. I guess I have more experience as town and since there's so many ways to approach being town, it lends itself to a lot of playtypes that most players don't anticipate. You can mess with how you play the game and experiment with a lot more leverage as town.

[Remembrance]

^ Then why did you say you were disappointed with your role pm.

[Icebox]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Varsoon]

^ Then why did you say you were disappointed with your role pm.

Dat Rem.


Because it's the same role PM I've gotten about 4 times now.