Micro 153: Sherlock Holmes Mafia (Game Over)

[sword_of_omens]

sorry guys, work has been kicking my ass today and i haven't had time to post...

basically what I was stating yesterday was that GM was town for her fake hammer…I seriously doubt that she “forgot” her vote was on Syr…and most fake hammers are from town anyway trying to get scum to slip up, although they rarely work and are hard to pull off smoothly…I wanted her to verify that that’s what it was first, rather than give her an excuse she can use in case it wasn’t…

Meanwhile Syr, you are still pretty scummy…and I can’t really say that your #173 is genuine, because you knew GM was already voting you when she hammered (based off of your#176) so you’d have known that the lynch wouldn’t have gone through...

although I will say lynching a possible PR on day 1 sucks, and seeing as I’m not liking Ms M much either, I might be good with a rope twining around her neck while I try to decide on you.

Vote: Ms M

Also…

@ MOD: I will be V/LA for the weekend as per my usual

I’ll try to sign in on phone at a coffee shop or something if I can, but don’t expect much…(Got VIP passes for a meet n greet at the Lucha Libre match this weekend and we get free lucha libra masks too…should be hilarious  )

[thenewearth]

Ok too lazy to make huge ass wall posts

Seanald: Dunno if trolling scum or trolling idiot... Either way I think we should lynch him

Syrana: What a claim... What's the role then? It's just flavor.

Congratulations, you've just killed the Sherlock Holmes Prodigy. I'm town, you sorry bastards!

Zach: Seriously giving me scum vibes. Especially this:

You're probably town.

Getting people off your back, eh?





And seriously... Was syryana lynched? And what's the VC? Am I to ask for a full claim now?

[Syryana]

Most of you are probably going to shrug this off as OMGUS. Most of you can go to hell.

basically what I was stating yesterday was that GM was town for her fake hammer…I seriously doubt that she “forgot” her vote was on Syr…and most fake hammers are from town anyway trying to get scum to slip up, although they rarely work and are hard to pull off smoothly…I wanted her to verify that that’s what it was first, rather than give her an excuse she can use in case it wasn’t…

Meanwhile Syr, you are still pretty scummy…and I can’t really say that your #173 is genuine, because you knew GM was already voting you when she hammered (based off of your#176) so you’d have known that the lynch wouldn’t have gone through...

although I will say lynching a possible PR on day 1 sucks, and seeing as I’m not liking Ms M much either, I might be good with a rope twining around her neck while I try to decide on you.

Vote: Ms M

Like, wow. Your first paragraph is totally subjective. You can't prove she did or didn't forget she hadn't forgotten where her vote was. Fake hammers usually coming from town is a load of BS. You're making a ton of assumptions here that you can't possibly back up.

Second, you're using my #176 to "prove" I knew the hammer was fake in #173? If anything, #176 proves I

didn't

know the hammer was fake, since I made the statement "Attempted scum hammer detected!" At the time, I believed she'd tried to hammer but forgotten her vote. It wasn't until she explicitly made a reference to the fakehammer in #211 that I realized that was what she was doing.

So you've already decided at this point I'm really scummy, so you... vote Marangal? If you actually believed what you were saying you'd vote me back anyways, since you've already decided I'm scummy and should probably die. So what, then, are you doing voting Marangal?

I'll tell you what you're doing. You're giving yourself elbow room, simulating caution and edging away from my lynch in the event that I do actually transpire to be a PR. You then proceed to vote the most lynchable alternative: Marangal. Several folks have been onto her for WKing me and buddying up to mollie, so she's the most likely counterwagon.

You get a lynch on Marangal, NK anyone else but me and I'm a free mislynch tomorrow. If Marangal's your partner, you get mad towncred for starting her wagon and I die tomorrow as her supposed partner. If she pops town, it's LyLo after my mislynch, since nobody would believe I would survive the night as a claimed PR and I'd probably get lynched before I have time to read the thread after Daybreak. In the event I get lynched today, you get free towncred when I pop town, since you didn't want to lynch me as I might be a PR.

In short, you're definitely scum. Either Marangal or goodmorning is your partner.

VOTE: sword_of_omens

Pedit: @TNE, I'm not lynched. I'm at L-2 right now. I'm also not telling you what precisely my role does, because it's completely useless if I reveal that.

[JasonWazza]

This is a game of deduction, unless you choose not to deduce, then it's a game of pure fucking luck

Vote Count 1.8

[2] Syryana: goodmorning, Blue Yoshi,
[2] Ms Marangal: zachattack, sword_of_omens,
[1] Sword_of_omens: Syryana,

Not voting: Ms Marangal, Thenewearth, pirate mollie, Seanald,

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-04-16 15:57:31)

I need jason's express permission to troll him cos a power differential exists since he is the gm and I am only a player and there could be consequences if I do so without his permission.

If you troll you troll at your own risk.

[thenewearth]

Oh... right

UNVOTE:

I dunno if my predecessor voted someone or not. Too lazy to check.

[Blue Yoshi]

UNVOTE: Syr

I see no problem with his claim.
I'll be gone for all of tomorrow, so I'll likely be reading, just not posting.
...I really need to make up for it at one point.

[pirate mollie]

Most of you are probably going to shrug this off as OMGUS. Most of you can go to hell.

basically what I was stating yesterday was that GM was town for her fake hammer…I seriously doubt that she “forgot” her vote was on Syr…and most fake hammers are from town anyway trying to get scum to slip up, although they rarely work and are hard to pull off smoothly…I wanted her to verify that that’s what it was first, rather than give her an excuse she can use in case it wasn’t…

Meanwhile Syr, you are still pretty scummy…and I can’t really say that your #173 is genuine, because you knew GM was already voting you when she hammered (based off of your#176) so you’d have known that the lynch wouldn’t have gone through...

although I will say lynching a possible PR on day 1 sucks, and seeing as I’m not liking Ms M much either, I might be good with a rope twining around her neck while I try to decide on you.

Vote: Ms M

Like, wow. Your first paragraph is totally subjective. You can't prove she did or didn't forget she hadn't forgotten where her vote was. Fake hammers usually coming from town is a load of BS. You're making a ton of assumptions here that you can't possibly back up.

Second, you're using my #176 to "prove" I knew the hammer was fake in #173? If anything, #176 proves I

didn't

know the hammer was fake, since I made the statement "Attempted scum hammer detected!" At the time, I believed she'd tried to hammer but forgotten her vote. It wasn't until she explicitly made a reference to the fakehammer in #211 that I realized that was what she was doing.

So you've already decided at this point I'm really scummy, so you... vote Marangal? If you actually believed what you were saying you'd vote me back anyways, since you've already decided I'm scummy and should probably die. So what, then, are you doing voting Marangal?

I'll tell you what you're doing. You're giving yourself elbow room, simulating caution and edging away from my lynch in the event that I do actually transpire to be a PR. You then proceed to vote the most lynchable alternative: Marangal. Several folks have been onto her for WKing me and buddying up to mollie, so she's the most likely counterwagon.

You get a lynch on Marangal, NK anyone else but me and I'm a free mislynch tomorrow. If Marangal's your partner, you get mad towncred for starting her wagon and I die tomorrow as her supposed partner. If she pops town, it's LyLo after my mislynch, since nobody would believe I would survive the night as a claimed PR and I'd probably get lynched before I have time to read the thread after Daybreak. In the event I get lynched today, you get free towncred when I pop town, since you didn't want to lynch me as I might be a PR.

In short, you're definitely scum. Either Marangal or goodmorning is your partner.

VOTE: sword_of_omens

Pedit: @TNE, I'm not lynched. I'm at L-2 right now. I'm also not telling you what precisely my role does, because it's completely useless if I reveal that.

I can get on board with a sword lynch I think

VOTE: sword of omens

[Ms Marangal]

IDK, Pala gave me wierd vibes, and TNE's posts aren't making me feel that much better. I definitely don't like his advocating a PL

[Seanald]

I can get on board with a sword lynch I think

me as well, and no im not trolling. i just can't think of any good responses, but I am reading everything lol.

VOTE: Sword

1: probabilities are in our favor on this one, never been in a game where sword was scum it is about time one has come up.

2: im excited to see his partners come out of the wood work to defend him saying, hey it isn't wise to kill such a smart pro-town player so soon, and when that happens you will all listen and this wagon will disperse, which is going to suck because it is probably a correct lynch.

[sword_of_omens]

lol Seanald...really, that's your contribution?
although I can't really say I'm surprised...

also, Syr is flailing.... subjective again? everything is subjective... we have to try and put the pieces together... that's the whole frickin point of this game...

also try reading my posts again...
I said its not best to lynch a possible PR on day 1...
considering I have two strong candidates for scum, and with your soft PR claim, id prefer to maybe give you the benefit of the doubt and take the safer route...
buf if you keep begging to be the lynch, then I will happily oblige...
right now I really don't care which of the two we lynch...Syr or Ms M , because they are most likely both Scum..

also...Syr, full claim please..

[Ms Marangal]

Swords, what exactly makes me scum? From what I see, it's associative tells with Syr

[Ms Marangal]

liking you less now...
but seriously, this flash wagon thing is ridiculous. the only vote on Syr that makes a some sense is Mollie's one, and even then I don't agree with it.

really? you do realize you still owe me for that 1V1 that you screwed me on...
tell me what you think about this then:
look at Syr's unvote...he says he thought he was bringing BlueYosh to L-2...he quoted my post where i stated that Yosh went to L-1 and that also included my Unvote...he had to have seen my unvote...so if he was comfortable supposedly putting Yosh at L-2 like he said he was, then why bother with the Holy Crap Unvote!
He even stated that he still thought Yosh was suspect...so again, why the unvote? It seems fake...


PEDIT: @Syr , in the context of the way it was done, yeh..it kinda does...
and no, but i'm assuming that because of the question this means you over-react a lot?
do you do that as both scum and town?

WAIT! are the tides turned this game Omens? are you picking on me because I picked on you in pokemon and I was scum and you were town so this game it's reversed?

[JasonWazza]

VC near the top of the page has been done

[sword_of_omens]

lol Ms M...
that post right there is scummy as hell, your constant changing your wording of your previous posts to suit your needs Is scummy...
your attack on Pala using GM as a springboard was scummy.. read my ISO, you'll seer more reasons...I can't quote right now cause I'm on my phone but rest assured its not all associative...

[Syryana]

also, Syr is flailing.... subjective again? everything is subjective... we have to try and put the pieces together... that's the whole frickin point of this game...

Of course. However, in this case the nonsense I called you out on was just that, nonsense. It wasn't you putting pieces together. It was you making wild assertions that cannot possibly be backed up and using them to paint me as scum. You are also implying you knew that GM was fakehammering the entire time. I didn't know GM made a fakehammer until she explicitly said she did. I thought it was an "I forgot my vote was still on Syr derp". Still think it was, actually (but that's not the point). You knew/suspected she was fakehammering five posts after she did it?

Actually, going back and looking at that post made me realize something rather interesting (stealin yo words, GM). I went back and looked at GM's fakehammer, and saw this at the bottom:

zoo's post concerning a Syr/Ms M team would not surprise me even a little bit if it were 100% true.

I could also see a Syr/zoo team for that matter

, but one thing is for sure - if Syr flips Town I will be VERY surprised.

Bolded the relevant part. This came out of NOWHERE. I went back and looked through the game and did a combined sword/GM ISO, and you know what I found? Not once before that post did GM ever indicate that swords was scummy. She asked him a couple of questions, to which swords replied with what I felt are reasonable answers (one of them was #90, the major impetus in fueling my wagon and coincidentally the major reason GM sheeped said wagon). Where then, did this arbitrary Syr/Swords scumteam idea come from? None of her prior posts support this. She also hasn't mentioned it since.

Then, from swords a couple posts later:

also ftr, I think GM is town..

So, swords thinks GM is town right after she got done saying he might be my partner

and

the attempted quickhammer/fakehammer/whatever the fuck it was? I see no reason (or even town motivation) for this post. Swords follows this with the paragraph I quoted from his #225, saying he thought GM was town for various unverifiable reasons (doubt she forgot her vote was on me, fakehammers usually come from town, etc.).

I said its not best to lynch a possible PR on day 1...
considering I have two strong candidates for scum, and with your soft PR claim, id prefer to maybe give you the benefit of the doubt and take the safer route...

If you had actually read my post, I already dealt with this point. Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you. The problem is, the post where you vote Marangal you had just spent a paragraph talking about how scummy I am. Combine that with the fact that your next sentence comes off as "I really wanna lynch you, but I'll look bad if you're a PR", I think it's more a case of you wanting to appear pro-town than actually

being

pro-town. In short, you over-explained yourself and it bit you on the ass. All you had to do was quote my softclaim post and say "reconsidering for now, Marangal looks scummy..."

also...Syr, full claim please..

Nou.

[Syryana]

EBWOP:

Actually, going back and

looking at that fakehammer post

made me realize something rather interesting (stealin yo words, GM). I went back and looked at GM's fakehammer, and saw this at the bottom:

[Ms Marangal]

lol Ms M...
that post right there is scummy as hell, your constant changing your wording of your previous posts to suit your needs Is scummy...
your attack on Pala using GM as a springboard was scummy.. read my ISO, you'll seer more reasons...I can't quote right now cause I'm on my phone but rest assured its not all associative...

That is the case! it has to be, that's the only conclusion that I can come up with as to why you would dodge answering that post!!

[sword_of_omens]

yes I thought it was Fake hammer... GM's hammer vote was off... that's why I asked the question to GM in my 177
also read my 182 closely..I was saying that it was nt a quick hammer but instead a fake hammer..
That's also why I said I would come back and explain later.. just in case I was wrong, I didn't want to give GM the excuse if that wasn't what it was...

[sword_of_omens]

also... what are you saying, Ms M?
what is the case?

[Ms Marangal]

No, but honestly, the main bulk of your case seems to be associative tells. the only other thing you seemingly called me out on was my suspicion on Pala was only me sheeping GM. that isn't true, yes I didn't

say

that I suspected Pala though my reservation when I responded to him should have given hints on my feelings for him.

also, my semantic problems. yeah, I made some more then the average amount of mistakes this game though mistakes do happen. I stated that they were mistakes, though you are using the semantic issues of my mistakes to paint me as scum

PALA/OMENS SCUM TEAM GAISE. I JUST KNOW IT.

Pedit: You are scum this game, and I am town this game. you said I owe you that 1v1 because I got you mislynched in pokemon because of the 1v1 we had. you are aiming to 1v1 me this game and get me mislynched as payback

[Ms Marangal]

Mollie, Syr, and GM are all town BTW

[sword_of_omens]

if you are referring to your 236, then you seriously have got to be kidding...
also you weren't picking on me in pokemon...I called you out, remember?

also, that post in the front of the thread about how you owe me wad a joke and you know it...

[sword_of_omens]

people should actually do a quick read of that game...id link it but I'm on my phone...

[Ms Marangal]

That game was totes fun, and you didn't call me out.

I'm not exactly sure of my read on you this game Omens, though I am keeping a close eye on you. I don't like your reason on Syr, it seems artificial to me. I have a stronger read on Pala, and now TNE though he isn't around enough for me to get a clear read on him.

[sword_of_omens]

lolwut? you just declared sword/ pala scum team 3 posts up in all caps and now you don't know about me?