Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

[Selkies]

Hi DrippingGoofBall.

This is a hydra account. I'm fferyllt and we haven't played together before. My partner is Orcinus.

[Svenskt Stål]

I joined because Sven seems like a cool guy.

I like you allready. Can I expect a solid effort from you?

I don't know yet.. I lean town overall on you I think because you've been helpful at giving advice on how to deal with a fast moving game and seem to be leading the charge in getting people to post/helping form reads. But I'm a bit weary because you're the one that suggested the voting bloc, and I worry if I'm being blinded by you taking the lead.

Think of it like this, if I am alive at the end of the game you can start worrying, it makes it easier. Also, say that I am town, why cant I be town leader as town? It stems from an apetite for winning. But yes, I can probably take the lead role as scum aswell.

Very nicely put imo.

Do you understand why I am kinda iffy on you and that I need more from you?

[Selkies]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

We like this comment.

I've been hinting to orcinus that we should take you out of our scumpile. You're helping my case.

- f

[Svenskt Stål]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

Blergh, the townblock in this game consists of your 2 strongest scum reads, something I feel like you would mention here.

You are offcourse right about everything in your post thou.

[Jennifer]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

But that still assumes that the bloc is actually all town. Otherwise, infiltrator scum could influence the bloc to get a mislynch and then pick up who they want at night.

[Selkies]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

But that still assumes that the bloc is actually all town. Otherwise, infiltrator scum could influence the bloc to get a mislynch and then pick up who they want at night.

I don't like the notion this "town" voting bloc (and not just because I'm not a part of it). It seems like extreme buddying, and I don't like that people are willing to give each other a pass in exchange for not fearing being the day's lynch target.

This is not what the bloc is about

Do you have a specific scumread you want to attack on the bloc

Actually, do you /have/ a specific scumread you want to attack?

[DrippingGoofball]

I can't decide if this is obvscum or obvtown

Regardless of alignment, she's right.

[Svenskt Stål]

They're actually incredibly effective.

How so? I can understand this later in the game once people have seen flips/associative tells/PR abilities used possibly that lets people feel confident as who is town. But this early on, seems like it's either formed by a scum trying to buddy townies, or if led by a townie, they run the risk of accidentally including a scum who hasn't slipped yet and the scum erks through until it's too late.

Offcourse its possible. But basicly what a townblock is is that it contains consencous townies. You only have your reads to go on at day 1 so.

I also feel like it is easier to add townies to a "trust pact" and limiting the pool of where scum can be, but thats just how I float.

[Selkies]

Afaik, WK is usually town2town or scum2town.

Not likely they'd be on the same scum team, I agree. Ren's pile of links re Bo made a pretty good case that he could be scum. I think Orcinus and I have a minority (but not necessarily wrong) view on what was going on when Rach's bandwagon softened and DO's took off, and that view puts Varsoon in the frame as possible scum.

[Selkies]

884 is -f

[Majiffy]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

We like this comment.

I've been hinting to orcinus that we should take you out of our scumpile. You're helping my case.

- f

You can thank Mollie. I was a firm individualist until I started playing with her. Now I'm much more open to actually working with others instead of just lynching anyone in my way

In regards to your slot, I like you and dislike Orci. So it's leaving me a bit jaded. Warm him up for me so I can actually try to read you instead of being repulsed by his behavior.

Blergh, the townblock in this game consists of your 2 strongest scum reads, something I feel like you would mention here.

You are offcourse right about everything in your post thou.

I'm discussing theory, not the merits of the currently proposed block. For what it's worth, I'm a bit disappointed that I reached out to DBK, Varsoon and Iceblock and received nothing but the cold sholder.

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first, rather than focusing on PRs and supporting mislynches, because otherwise the bloc will widdle down the remaining players to a town autowin scenario. Which is why, in general, they're a really pro-town thing to get going.

But that still assumes that the bloc is actually all town. Otherwise, infiltrator scum could influence the bloc to get a mislynch and then pick up who they want at night.

That's why you only do it with your firmest town reads. Either way, though, it tends to become glaringly obvious if there's a non-town entity involved by endgame

[Svenskt Stål]

T minus what until mega post blast off?

[Jennifer]

Think of it like this, if I am alive at the end of the game you can start worrying, it makes it easier. Also, say that I am town, why cant I be town leader as town? It stems from an apetite for winning. But yes, I can probably take the lead role as scum aswell.

Very nicely put imo.

Do you understand why I am kinda iffy on you and that I need more from you?

I agree being town leader if town is good, and I don't feel like you would be a good lynch today. But, I'm still weary of a bloc. @Selkies, as to who in the bloc could be scum, I don't have a good feel yet. I find it hard to read you because you guys (both Selkies) talk to each other in thread a lot that it makes it confusing trying to figure out if it's real or scum trying to play both sides. I'd rather focus on Rach, who I think has been scummy and keep an eye on how the rest respond and develop more reads tomorrow.


@Sven I do get that I haven't posted as much content as everyone, sand you seem like you form reads more from live interaction, so want more. (this is the first game here where I've chatted in real time with people.. I'm used to a slower pace, where I can read the game during down time in the day and post at leisure)

[Svenskt Stål]

Blergh, the townblock in this game consists of your 2 strongest scum reads, something I feel like you would mention here.

You are offcourse right about everything in your post thou.

I'm discussing theory, not the merits of the currently proposed block. For what it's worth, I'm a bit disappointed that I reached out to DBK, Varsoon and Iceblock and received nothing but the cold sholder.[/quote]

You need some means of authority to accomplish that.

And that does not look like a townblock... more like a ghetto infested with extra terrestrials.

[Svenskt Stål]

FUCKING FUCK

[Svenskt Stål]

Think of it like this, if I am alive at the end of the game you can start worrying, it makes it easier. Also, say that I am town, why cant I be town leader as town? It stems from an apetite for winning. But yes, I can probably take the lead role as scum aswell.

Very nicely put imo.

Do you understand why I am kinda iffy on you and that I need more from you?

I agree being town leader if town is good, and I don't feel like you would be a good lynch today. But, I'm still weary of a bloc. @Selkies, as to who in the bloc could be scum, I don't have a good feel yet. I find it hard to read you because you guys (both Selkies) talk to each other in thread a lot that it makes it confusing trying to figure out if it's real or scum trying to play both sides. I'd rather focus on Rach, who I think has been scummy and keep an eye on how the rest respond and develop more reads tomorrow.


@Sven I do get that I haven't posted as much content as everyone, sand you seem like you form reads more from live interaction, so want more. (this is the first game here where I've chatted in real time with people.. I'm used to a slower pace, where I can read the game during down time in the day and post at leisure)

I get you girl, this is just more awesome and rock n roll. There is only one thing you need to do, convince me that you are town, be open, say whats on your mind, clearing oneself is so extremly important.

[Majiffy]

FUCKING FUCK

haha you suck

[DrippingGoofball]

If town starts working together as a collective, scum has to focus on destroying the collective first

Meh, been scum a million times, there's always a buddy in the town block so, plus it never lasts, so it's pretty useless.

[Majiffy]

Eh IDK about that, my experience with town blocks tends to be pretty effective.

[Icebox]

Counter point: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25952

[Majiffy]

I love arbitrary links to games with no reference of what I'm looking for, what players I should be reading, etc!

Really makes me want to read it.

[Svenskt Stål]

Since I am captain of this town I can promise that the townblock (me + selkies) is like 97% all town. we need more thou.

[Jennifer]

I get you girl, this is just more awesome and rock n roll. There is only one thing you need to do, convince me that you are town, be open, say whats on your mind, clearing oneself is so extremly important.

You got it. And I do agree that forming town reads are just as important as forming scum reads. I think POE, especially end game, is great way to sniff out remaining scum.

Anyway, heading to the gym for now. Good chatting and will talk later!

[Selkies]

Ok, so this won't be a wall, but it's a summary of what Orcinus and I have been discussing for the last hour or so.

- Iceblock's post 672 (the wall) bothered us a lot. Some of the spoilered observations and questions didn't appear to mesh all that well with the reads. The two that were most troubling were Rach and Bo. GiF's recent posts have settled most of those concerns.

- We think there was at least scum on the DO wagon. When the Rach wagon started to collapse it seemed like the DO wagon sprang up with a lot of momentum. Orcinus and I were considering a DO pressure-wagon a little earlier. The DO wagon seemed to have too much steam for a pressure wagon. It bothered Orcinus tht Majiffy had so little comment on that wagon, given that 3 of his town reads (I think) were on it. However, he made a comment about Varsoon losing some town shine around that time.

Rach has moved in a townward direction.
Majiffy has moved in a townward direction.
The DO bandwagon speed makes us wonder if he/DGB are town.

Varsoon has moved down
Bo has moved down
Jennifer hasn't exactly moved, but we were hoping to get something more than null from her by now.
There is probably more buried in our chatlog that I can dig out with more coffee.