↑ Voidedmafia wrote:↑ JasonWazza wrote:Got into a real twist over me not giving out my reads, like they matter so damn much, this makes me feel scum here, cause even though they matter they don't matter to the point that you need them in here (especially when my posts kinda give my reads anyway), my thought here is scum because scum NEEDS to know the reads so they know who is gonna be better to gamble on for trying to lynch.
I won't deny this assumption could be true from your PoV, however, isn't it also true that having clear-cut reads that people can see is better than reads that can be implied from your postings?
If you're town and don't set your reads out for us to see it leaves the rest of the town (or the other townie, in this game) potentially confused by where you really stand (and IMO that confusion is not worth the potential of doing it to scum as well) and depending on how good or bad you set your implications they can get the wrong message, either through misinterpretation or through finding a link that you may not have intended to make, or a couple other things.
If you're scum then yeah, it serves to keep town confused as to what exactly you think, and I suppose that depending on who we're talking about you could get away with it, but even as scum it doesn't seem like a good risk to me.
Overall, it just doesn't seem like a very pro-town motive to do what you're saying, and more pro-town to do what I suggested.
Also, having something tangible out there behind your suspicions that people can see (and/or respond to, if necessary) helps, too.
So because i did something that you don't find, HELPFUL, and just implying my reads KINDA OBVIOUSLY you had to continue bitch fitting it out that i wasn't posting reads?
↑ JasonWazza wrote:I'm gonna give in on the reads now, reaction testing is always fun
implying you're doing more reactiontests?
REACTIONCEPTION!*coughcough*
Implying that the holding back my reads WAS a reaction test, you know the thing that you got so annoyed at and fought hard.
Varsoon wrote:You kinda made the meat of your post already, so I have no qualms coming out with what I was holding back earlier.
First things first.
I mentioned holding something back to see how safely you'd post. If you were scum, me saying that I had sensitive information/reads/insight would be something you'd definitely play to, in some way.
From this, I'm reading you as town. Why?
You made the most town play by bringing up that I might be scum waiting for a cross-vote. Perceptive town would be able to notice this, and speak to the possibility of it. By setting up a post with "I won't say anything specific but I've got something important to say once the other play comes in", I'm basically asking for this sort of analysis to be made, somehow. Scum might also point this out, but they'd put it against me. Jason immediately spoke to it in two posts, but what unsettled me is that it seemed like he was setting up for you to say something bigger about it when he said I might be called out. It was like a nudge to see how you'd react, and I don't know if that was either a slip on his part or an intentional test of sorts. Anyway, I made sure to leave just enough in my posts for scum to make a groundless case against me, hoping that you'd be scum and I'd catch you in my trap, but you responded in a very town way (calling attention to it without antagonism). I hope this makes sense, haha, it's a bit convoluted on the screen.
Anyway, there was actually info that I was holding onto, and even hinted at earlier, and it's that I was reading Jason as scummier than you, but that the ultimate swing depended on your vote to prove if you were lurking, buying time, etc. You could have easily made your post at the last minute and forced town into a game of wits with only a few hours on the clock, but you didn't. You did the most town thing possible by posting as early as you did. Furthermore, your reactions were solidly town to me. You pointed out a line that felt wrong to me since I read it--the one Jason made in post 68. While Jason seemed like impatient town to me for a long time, him specifically calling you out as the person he'd lock heads with while building up antagonism towards you (the player not present to defend himself at the time) all seemed like scum manipulating town towards a mislynch. Your point about his suspicions not being tangible is another big one that I wanted to make if you didn't, especially in the case of posts 68, 14, 35, 13. Most of his really strong reactions aren't built off of substantial evidence, and while they may be reaction testing, he also often backed off on earlier accusations made against me (at least) without pushing the testing far enough.
The real thing that threw me off is that he has us both on the ground that either of us could be scum, but with a strong lean towards you. To me, it felt like a scum play to position me against you since I'd been in direct conversation with him in this game so long. However, by still having a cautious, maybe-scum read on me, he could backpedal if you made a strong case against me in your post. You didn't, and I'm interested to see who he says is scum now that I've posted all of this.
Regardless, I'm heavily leaning towards him being scum, but not ruling out that you could be, either. I have much more substantial and evidenced reads on Jason, though, and I'd put a vote on him in good faith. Regardless, if anyone puts a vote down before Jason responds to all this, they're going to have a lot of explaining to do.
VOTE: Varsoon
I'm sadly nearly sure on this cause, you know this post fucking screams scum.
Also can you butter everyone's ass up more?
SERIOUSLY?
Voided go back and read the whole game, this guy has been kissing ass this whole game and he just majorly kissed up to you, he just doesn't have the balls to vote first.
