Newbie 1356 (OVER)

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Mist, is RC the nominee for your vote?

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Zoggoth, why aren't you voting?

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I also agree that meta'ing a player is a poor method of ISO'ing them

Yet you do it for Mutley and defend him for it. By your own words, you should realize that it could be a ploy on his part.

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Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.

unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

Interesting to see you wanted to defend yourself on those points, but more so I'd like to know what you didn't focus on anything else from his post.

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I already offered.

Do this again and then in big fat, bold, words. Or send the Moderator a PM.

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This is a really hard OMGUS move on your part. I build a case on you, you ISO me, etc, etc

This is a misrep of what happened.

[dexter9264]

Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.

unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

Interesting to see you wanted to defend yourself on those points, but more so I'd like to know what you didn't focus on anything else from his post.

Why wouldn't I defend myself?
And I didn't focus on anything else on his post cause....well....I don't really know. I guess I kinda just saw my name and focused on what was directed at me.

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Keep squirming.

While RC, who I still think is town, hasn't replied yet, I've gotten plenty out of you.

VOTE: Paid Pyro


Welcome back to the thread.

So what are you voting him now for?

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FoS: Varsoon

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Why wouldn't I defend myself?
And I didn't focus on anything else on his post cause....well....I don't really know. I guess I kinda just saw my name and focused on what was directed at me.

What did you think of his other reads then? Also, what posts are more useful of his that made you unvote Mutley?

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For clarification: Which better posts of Mutley made you unvote him?

[dexter9264]

My stuff in

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Varsoon:

Seems to be acting very sensibly by stopping a possible bad lynch. I find it slightly odd at how little it took for arguments to start between you and DDDP and PP, so this makes me slightly suspicious, as it looks more like bussing than mafia arguing with town, but I wont take this as a scum read until I have better reads of the two people you're arguing with. So he's a town read atm.

I disagree here, but Varsoon wasn't as hypocritical and contradictory prior to this post. Possible buddying/defending scumbuddy here? Especially since next post is Varsoon saying that he agrees with Zoggoth

Dexter:

I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

This is me, I already responded

RadientCowbells:

His ISO is very telling, almost no actual content, and a huge amount of complaining about inactivity. Also seems to be very cautious about being involved in the mutley wagon, so I've got a slight scum read on him. (I admit that his ISO is very similar to mine, but at least I've answered questions with some significant content).

I also did an ISO on RC, and I found the same thing. Very little actual content, and pretty much no scumhunting.

Mutleyddmc:

Lots of scum tells (Posting a lot with very little content other than trying to defend himself, trying to look like he is making a contribution, without helping town at all, faking(?) not caring about being lynched, muddying the water with all his joke scum claims) but somehow I'm having trouble imagining a scummutley. I'm going to have to say that unless he starts posting some actual useful content then I will put his vote on him again, deliberately not helping town is a scum tell in my opinion, and I don't want to have him sticking around the whole game making it difficult for the rest of us.

This is before Mutley's play improved. At first, I had thought that Mutley was just a bad player, one that should be policy lynched. Chances are that he's town since its more likely to pull a town role, but whatever. However, now that Mutley has posted actual not terrible stuff, I'm a bit worried about him. Cleary, Mutley is not a terrible player, and that makes me worried that he may be scum that went through all that he did to somehow convince us hes not scum

Shaboostein:

a little bit inactive so far, currently a null tell, I would be interested to see what they post now that they're back.

poke

Hasn't done anything at this point in the game, nothing to say here.

Mist7676:

Lots of interesting discussion early on, about the IC lynch. I'm not sure whether I agree with her mutley vote at the moment, I feel a bit more justification is needed, but really that would need some actual content on mutleys part. currently a bit of a null tell.

Mist has been slipping under my radar. Nothing that jumps out and shouts scum, but nothing that shouts out town either

Paid Pyro:

Has done very little so far other than have a go at Varsoon and RC, with not a lot of content himself. Still has his vote from RVS down, without a lot of justification, would you mind explaining? So far slight scum read, but their response to this question could very easily change this.

Had a little confrontation with Varsoon. Of them, I feel like one of them could very possibly be scum. I'm leaning more towards Varsoon at the moment, since PP seems to have pretty solid arguments and is far less hypocritical

DDDP:

I'm not going to wade into the rights and wrongs of his argument with Varsoon, but to be honest it looks like town vs. town to me, from his other posts I am getting a weak town read, but I can't help feeling that this is just because he keeps mentioning that he is town.

Hasn't done very much. But at the same time, has done a lot more than some other players. I get a very weak scum read, but it's more based on gut than anything. Maybe it's just my bias towards experienced players.

Zoggoth:

Obviously the towniest of the town tells, and completely wonderful and helpful in every way. Doesn't even need any justification.

Clear obviscum right here. Lynch on sight! jk his posts have seem pretty helpful so far, but at the same time his activity is kinda low. Null read for him

For clarification: Which better posts of Mutley made you unvote him?

My vote on Mutley was purely based on the fact that I felt like he was detrimental to the town and deserved to be policy lynched. That was pretty much the whole basis of my reason for wanting to lynch him.
His posts from #98 on have all been non troll posts, and he has actual content in most of them. Since he stopped being a giant doucheface, I took my vote off of him

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Apologies, I was away for the weekend in Cincinnati.

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I'm bored by people constantly asking me "why". Why did I ask which SE one would lynch of the pair, why did I vote for shaboostein? I have my reasons for most things I do but I reveal them (if at all) on my own schedule.

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RC is put at L-1 in 155 and I have absolutely no interest in that wagon. Here's the thing, if you're scum and fishing for an easy Muttley lynch you don't phrase it as a policy lynch and you don't threaten to replace out. The first decreases the odds of it happening significantly and the second is just silly when Muttley is not likely to be competent with his personality and likely to get lynched at some point on his own.

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I'm not reading PP's 156

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Look at the replacement try and play tough guy.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

[Paid Pyro]

@Everyone and MOD. I may need a VLA until Thursday. I'm traveling for work and didn't check if the hotel has free wifi.

[Mutleyddmc]

@Mutley: You not once raised concern about Shaboo. Also, if RC wasn't scummy would your vote go to Varsoon?

I said in 165 if RC contributes I'd put my vote on shaboo. Clearly raising a concern. My vote is mainly on RC so he contributes however the pressure has died.

Shaboo seemed scummy to me. You've replaced on and seem to gone over the top trying to seem town.

@dexter you have me wrong I am actually a terrible player. My reads are almost usually always wrong until it gets to a lylo situation where I seem to get better but it's too late!

[dexter9264]

@dexter you have me wrong I am actually a terrible player. My reads are almost usually always wrong until it gets to a lylo situation where I seem to get better but it's too late!

Doesn't matter. As long as you're not actively screwing town I have no reason to push a policy lynch

[Mutleyddmc]

Zoggoth, why aren't you voting?

Why haven't you made a vote yet?

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I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

Though at this time I'm quite certain who I'll be voting. Will put my vote today.

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I said in 165 if RC contributes I'd put my vote on shaboo

Right, I missed that.

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I'm bored by people constantly asking me "why". Why did I ask which SE one would lynch of the pair, why did I vote for shaboostein? I have my reasons for most things I do but I reveal them (if at all) on my own schedule.

Go play monopoly if you don't want to be asked questions. That said, I'll just ask if I need you to answer.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

Though at this time I'm quite certain who I'll be voting. Will put my vote today.

Missed this although this was a while ago and you posted a lot since. So surprised you are asking someone else why before you have even voted?

[Varsoon]

Hi guys, looking forward to play with you all.

Welcome to the game. It's pretty customary to put a vote on me, so feel free to do so.

Speaking towards why I put RC at L-1 but not Muttley:
Muttley's lynch would have been a policy lynch, and I feel that we had pressured him adequately with where he was at.
RC, even at L-1, and after the wagon slowed down, didn't really put anything into the thread.
ISO RC and you'll be able to see just how little content has been generated there.
Regardless, I'm between calling either town or scum on RC. Some of the reactions RC had to Muttley's playstyle, etc, felt like genuine town concern, whereas other posts felt like scumslips. The fact that RC wanted to replace out when such an easy wagon exists (and I feel like my wagon is easy, too) still strikes me as very, very town, even if other posts betray scumtells to me.

I don't have any scum buddies because I'm not scum.
Also, PP has been tunneling me hard and we still haven't put any pressure on him at all.
Can we consider some of the other players in this game for a change, though?
We'll get nowhere if we just focus on the same people, and it's easy for scum to narrow town's suspects down and keep themselves from being suspect.

[Mutleyddmc]

Come on RC contribute something worthwhile.

Biggest scum read still freezing hell. Right now only targets for day1 lynch are them two. Hopefully we can get some more talk going.

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Missed this although this was a while ago and you posted a lot since. So surprised you are asking someone else why before you have even voted?

He's been in the game quite long already. There's no reason he shouldn't have a vote somewhere. Especially because he put out his reads as well.

[Mutleyddmc]

Theres no reason for you to have not voted either as you have put reads out etc