Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[buldermar]

Honestly, Pitoli/Lurker/SD go today and I feel like it's an even chance of hitting scum in all three. Just lynch through that pile until victory because you, me, and buld are all town.

I think Mala is scum with one of the remaining from the group and I think that her scum partner is more likely to be one of Pitoli and Lurker than SD.

I agree that both of Syr and you are likely town - even though I'll have to agree with Syr that you've been doing some weird shit since the onset of this day. I just don't think you're that much more likely to do it as scum than town.

[buldermar]

Oh wait malakittens

that doesn't work

let me think

Yeah, essentially this.

[buldermar]

Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

Strongest town read is SD because of Nero - unlike Mala, I'm inclined to think it is most likely T-T neighbors.

Pit looks bad for that last FoS of Mala which to me looked like a copy of what I said and pointed out in my post prior to it, and the subsequent explanation that she just didn't want to mention her read with Mala V/LA doesn't sound legit.

Lurker has just been living up to his name and not done shit the entire game. I think Lurker is not a bad bet for scum if we go by the assumption of the three of us being town.

I still like Mala for scum the most, but it does worry me a bit that she doesn't look particularly scummy to you guys. Also, maybe we should look into how often she fakeclaims VT compared to PR's as scum. I know of some people who almost always fakeclaim VT.

[buldermar]

Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

Honestly, Mala.

Why is that? You don't have to go into details, just a brief summary will do.

[buldermar]

Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

I think you're asking Syr but just in case you're not: I can see what you mean, and I can't really do much else other than maintaining that it's a coincidence and that I've stopped midway of catching up in games before (please don't ask me to find it unless you think it's super important as it might take a long time finding).

One a sidenote: do you know if AP usually provides safeclaims for scum?

[buldermar]

Both of you shhhhhh right now

We're all town here

Lurker->SD->Malakittens

Victory

Go.

Didn't you say buldermar/Lurker just a few posts ago?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh mine is Lurker>Mala>SD>Pitoli

SD is before pit because wtf claim, but can go after Mala because I see what you mean with the neighbors

I've yet to be scum on site so I don't know

Yeah I admitted that I had a shit case on you. Basically I figured that if you were scum you already won because literally I cannot find jack shit to build a case on you with, short of fake claiming a cop or something.

So I'm just going to assume you're town now.

[buldermar]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I meant that you had never stopped in the middle of a catchup before, and the one time you did just happens during flavorclaim

Maybe I havn't done it in this game before (or maybe I have, I don't recall), but I've done it in other games.

I'm going to do a bit of self-meta now - just so you're warned.
I can say that if I were scum, I'd have figured out a convincing fake flavor claim as soon as I realized that we might be doing flavor claims at some early point in the game (maybe as soon as ff started talking about how she could not be X because of Y). Additionally, if this game is based on flavor with limited amounts of available names (you can probably confirm/disconfirm this for me), the most likely scenario is that AP provided safeclaims for scum to avoided scum being caught in either lack of flavor knowledge or claiming a flavor role that someone else actually has (and if AP didn't, I'm inclined to think that's quite poor modding).

Actually, I'm going to check if it says anywhere that this game requires flavor knowledge.

[buldermar]

I can't find anything about it...

[buldermar]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I forgot this. I read you as town, but I think you're doing some stupid shit today... like changing your read and desired lynch every other minute.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nowhere, but the two flips so far certainly imply it.

We'll have two more flips tonight and Syr and I (one of us has to be alive) can do some BSG Mumbo jumbo and see if we can pull anything. But what we've learned so far:
Flavor is not indicative of role (Starbucks)
Flavor may be indicative of alignment (Starbucks, Gaius being a miller town)

[buldermar]

Ok I trust you

(Maybe)

I don't know if there is any other way for me to disprove your hypothesis, but if you think of something let me know.

Maybe I can provide screenshots from Skype? Is that against the rules?

[buldermar]

Not on my own laptop now, so that would have to wait anyway.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I meant that you had never stopped in the middle of a catchup before, and the one time you did just happens during flavorclaim

Maybe I havn't done it in this game before (or maybe I have, I don't recall), but I've done it in other games.

I'm going to do a bit of self-meta now - just so you're warned.
I can say that if I were scum, I'd have figured out a convincing fake flavor claim as soon as I realized that we might be doing flavor claims at some early point in the game (maybe as soon as ff started talking about how she could not be X because of Y). Additionally, if this game is based on flavor with limited amounts of available names (you can probably confirm/disconfirm this for me), the most likely scenario is that AP provided safeclaims for scum to avoided scum being caught in either lack of flavor knowledge or claiming a flavor role that someone else actually has (and if AP didn't, I'm inclined to think that's quite poor modding).

Actually, I'm going to check if it says anywhere that this game requires flavor knowledge.

This is eerily similar to Fery's post on her claim...

[buldermar]

Flavor is not indicative of role (Starbucks)
Flavor may be indicative of alignment (Starbucks, Gaius being a miller town)

I think that if flavor was completely unrelated to the game, AP would have said so when we asked. Thus, ruling out that it's indicative of role, it must at the very least to some extent be indicative of alignment. My guess is that it's probably to some degree indicative of alignment and maybe for a few roles also role indicative.

Is the movie/series that the flavor is based on one about good/evil or some sort of two faculties that could easily be converted to this context?

[buldermar]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I meant that you had never stopped in the middle of a catchup before, and the one time you did just happens during flavorclaim

Maybe I havn't done it in this game before (or maybe I have, I don't recall), but I've done it in other games.

I'm going to do a bit of self-meta now - just so you're warned.
I can say that if I were scum, I'd have figured out a convincing fake flavor claim as soon as I realized that we might be doing flavor claims at some early point in the game (maybe as soon as ff started talking about how she could not be X because of Y). Additionally, if this game is based on flavor with limited amounts of available names (you can probably confirm/disconfirm this for me), the most likely scenario is that AP provided safeclaims for scum to avoided scum being caught in either lack of flavor knowledge or claiming a flavor role that someone else actually has (and if AP didn't, I'm inclined to think that's quite poor modding).

Actually, I'm going to check if it says anywhere that this game requires flavor knowledge.

This is eerily similar to Fery's post on her claim...

I know, but it's the best I can do. If you have a better idea let me know. I can do the screenshot thing of Skype if it's possible when I get home and if it's not against the rules.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Basically, SD's is the only claim that doesn't make sense so far.

I feel like Saul Tigh (lurker's claim) is also a bit off-color, but not as obviously

A lurker lynch would supply us with that information

[Malakittens]

So, wait? I'm scummy for trying to figure out SD's alignment based on the show characters and for doing research on the common or not commoness of T/T neighbors? I'm also scummy for when people provide misrep when they say I pretended to read the thread when I stated I did not read the thread yet, but was planning too and didn't mask it several times. I also stated that I was reading based on reading through ISO's.
Apparently, I'm also scummy for claiming VT?.. When I didn't claim VT or claim anything, but my character name? Buld, wtf does me having to claim VT have to do with anything in the past as scum?

All of the above may I just say are either misreps or really bad things to think someone is scummy for something.

Sorry that me trying to figure out SD's alignment was too much for everyone in the thread, but at least I'm trying to do it, but can't say the same for everyone else regarding that matter.

~~~

Also, really Orc? Are you wanting to lynch somone based on information. Personally, I rather lynch someone because they are scummy.

[pitoli]

Both of you shhhhhh right now

We're all town here

Lurker->SD->Malakittens

Victory

Go.

Mmm. I didn't like that Syr kept asking for your case before presenting his

[Malakittens]

Apparently, I'm also scummy for claiming VT?.. When I didn't claim VT or claim anything, but my character name? Buld, wtf does me having to claim VT have to do with anything in the past as scum?

Should be..


Apparently, I'm also scummy for claiming VT?.. When I did claim VT or claim anything, but my character name? Buld, wtf does me having to claim VT have to do with anything in the past as scum?

[buldermar]

Apparently, I'm also scummy for claiming VT?.. When I didn't claim VT or claim anything, but my character name? Buld, wtf does me having to claim VT have to do with anything in the past as scum?

Yeah that was a brain-malfunction on my part. I was mixing up flavor and actual claims and was thinking that because your flavor indicates PR (I think someone suggested this), it would be useful to check if you have previously mainly fake-claimed VT roles (or the equivalent flavor) or also PR's in the past. Makes sense?

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 2.6

Lurker [2/4] - orcinus_theoriginal, Safety Dance
Malakittens [1/4] - buldermar
pitoli [1/4] - Syryana

Pacifists (Not Voting): Lurker, pitoli, Malakittens

With 7 alive, its 4 to lynch

Deadline: April 24th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-04-24 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:
*Malak is V/LA to Tuesday

[Lurker]

The irony that the only people who aren't voting are the ones being voted.

[Syryana]

Is the movie/series that the flavor is based on one about good/evil or some sort of two faculties that could easily be converted to this context?

BSG is about two factions: humans and Cylons. The Cylons are humanoid robots made by the humans, and they blew the shit out of the human colonies. The show is about the tiny human fleet traveling through space fleeing the Cylons with only the Battlestar Galactica for protection. However, it gets a bit murky near the end cause there end up being Cylons that help the humans and humans that help the Cylons and humans that end up being Cylons but help the humans anyways and all sorts of weird shit.

This is also why I'm highly suspicious of SD's claim. His character isn't even FROM the show, it's from a completely different one called Caprica, which was a terrible offshoot of BSG some couple of years later. This one was set way before the events of BSG. Shame on FuriousFalcon for even putting her in here if SD isn't lying, shame on SD for picking such a terrible flavor claim if he is.

P.S.: Mala, who are your scumreads?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah lol scum

VOTE: mala