Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

Hi, here, sorry, reading.

[Z7-852]

It's about time (#700). I completely agree with you people (#681) that this game haven't really moved at all and it's frustrating. There haven't been anything new to write about so I haven't done anything.

Once VisceraEyes have read the thread I want reads on every person/slot in as much detail as humanly possible. More information you can plug to your next post better you seem in my eyes. Providing that your logic is convincing.

If we are wrong about

ArcAngel9

we will still get more information about the game if she flips as a vanilla townie. Unlike Deras (#677) this doesn't worry me too much. At least it will kick the game going. Also like fferyllt pointed out (#685) it's helps the town if ArcAngel9 is flipped as townie. I don't know why but ArcAngel9 last post (#684) seems too desperate to be a scum post. I would think scums would just give up at this point and try to draw attention off their buddies. If ArcAngel9 is a scum she have being doing good job at this for still I can't think anyone to be her ally.

If ArcAngel9 isn't scum my leading canditate for it is

goodmorning

. I don't say I agree with ArcAngel9 (#688) about her meta read on goodmorning, but I still think she have been odd during this game. Like Mac (#693) I really can't trust meta as a scumtell. Unless there are tens of games where to draw conclusions, the statistic student in me don't allow to draw causality here.

Now I'am going to make my case against goodmorning like Mac (#693) pointed out. We have to think alternatives in case that ArcAngel9 turns out to be townie. I still think goodmorning is only leaning toward scum but I will vote for her just so that not all our effort goes to the ArcAngel9.

VOTE: goodmorning

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes < ArcAngel9

[VisceraEyes]

Actually, I think my best guess for scum is Z7-852. Let me count the ways.

• superfluous "scumometer" in every post
• lots of summaries with very few conclusions
• requests thoughts on every single player in the game

Looks like classic "Hey I'm active guys" scum. I don't like teh ArcAngel wagon, on first readthrough I couldn't really find a consolidated case and nothing jumped out at me personally.

VOTE: Z7-852

I won't be providing my thoughts of everyone. If anyone wants to know anything specific I'll try to oblige, but we can only lynch one person at a time and I want that person to be Z7. I'm presently doing AA in iso to see what all the fuss is about, but like I said nothing jumped out at me personally whilst reading.

[VisceraEyes]

Yeah I'm not seeing it. I think Z7 is a far superior lynch. His posts don't seem to follow any kind of thought-process, it mostly feels like he's writing about what he's obligated to comment on - and ArcAngel is right, his read of her seemed to be kinda convenient and out of left field.

[Revenus]

Fropome was town, and z7 is town, try again.


Content with my vote on Viscera, especially since now he's not giving out any reads on players besides z7.

[VisceraEyes]

I feel like talking about more than one person leaves openings for mafia manipulation...but to each his own right? Right guys? I'm entitled to my opinion right?

Anyway, your vote is terrible and I suspect that you're terrible for placing it so I'm not super concerned about your vote.

[Mac]

Who are your other scumreads Z?

I'm not particularly sure I agree with your point about manipulation either, like only talking about one person - how does that stop mafia manipulation? To be honest, it's a bit WIFOMy that you say we shouldn't open it up to mafia manipulation by focusing on more than one person (I think that's what you're getting at); because you yourself are trying to manipulate it into a Z lynch.

Also the point is moot if Z is town: the scum will relax and let the town manipulate themselves into a mislynch.

So yeah, I don't particularly agree and your first couple of posts haven't blown me away at all.

[Z7-852]

Honesty and behavior analysis are only tools vanilla townies have for scum hunting. More information every player gives easier it is to see if they are honest or if they behave oddly. By withholding information you are not lying but you are not being honest. Refusing to give information to town is similar to lurking (which is ultimate form of denying information from oneself). What comes to my post, they may not hold much information like VisceraEyes pointed out (#702) but they summarize everything I know or think I know.
I also disagree with VisceraEyes on the idea (#705) of focusing on one player. We know there are 2 scums in the game. If we focus on one we lose track of the other. On other hand if we think everybody can be suspect, we can gather evidence (to one way or the other) on everyone.
I earlier stated (#673) that I had 3 prime candidates for scum and they were goodmorning, VisceraEyes and ArcAngel9. I also stated that it was hard to me see any of the two being ArcAngel9's partner. After VisceraEyes posts I suspect him more and it seems even more likely that goodmorning and VisceraEyes are scum buddies. So I'am downgrading ArcAngel9 for now. She still looks suspicious but there are now better candidates for me.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Revenus < Eye urn < Deras < Mac < ArcAngel9 < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[goodmorning]

ArcAngel9 last post (#684) seems too desperate to be a scum post. I would think scums would just give up at this point and try to draw attention off their buddies. If ArcAngel9 is a scum she have being doing good job at this for still I can't think anyone to be her ally.

LOL You think that's desperate? You should see my performance in Newbie 1305.

We have to think alternatives in case that ArcAngel9 turns out to be townie.

Yes, after a flip we certainly will.

I still think goodmorning is only leaning toward scum but I will vote for her just so that not all our effort goes to the ArcAngel9.

Mafia's not really a divide-and-conquer game unless you're Scum, fyi.

Actually, I think my best guess for scum is Z7-852. Let me count the ways.

• superfluous "scumometer" in every post
• lots of summaries with very few conclusions
• requests thoughts on every single player in the game

Looks like classic "Hey I'm active guys" scum. I don't like teh ArcAngel wagon, on first readthrough I couldn't really find a consolidated case and nothing jumped out at me personally.

VOTE: Z7-852

I won't be providing my thoughts of everyone. If anyone wants to know anything specific I'll try to oblige, but we can only lynch one person at a time and I want that person to be Z7. I'm presently doing AA in iso to see what all the fuss is about, but like I said nothing jumped out at me personally whilst reading.

GREAT HOLY GRASSHOPPERS

FINALLY

someone gets me

;u;

More information every player gives easier it is to see if they are honest or if they behave oddly. By withholding information you are not lying but you are not being honest.

I personally agree with this, but I have seen convincing arguments for the other side too.

I also disagree with VisceraEyes on the idea (#705) of focusing on one player. We know there are 2 scums in the game. If we focus on one we lose track of the other. On other hand if we think everybody can be suspect, we can gather evidence (to one way or the other) on everyone.

That's assuming he's ignoring everyone else just because he's focusing on you.

After VisceraEyes posts I suspect him more and it seems even more likely that goodmorning and VisceraEyes are scum buddies.

Very convenient.

@VE: If I could be so bold as to suggest... I think you might want your next ISO to be Fe. I'd actually be very curious to see a very general sort of feeling about him from you eventually. Also I don't think anyone else is willing to join the Z wagon today, would you be willing to compromise on AA9 if we get to deadline?

@Rev: Show, don't tell. If you think Z is Town, please explain why. You keep making these assertions without any evidence and I don't like it.

[fferyllt]

FE = Eye Urn in GM-speak

[VisceraEyes]

If I suspect 2 people heavily and tell the thread about it and one is town and the other scum, the scum can say "WHOA YEAH HAY I'M SUSPICIOUS OF OTHER DUDE TOO!"

It's why you try and get as few bandwagons going as possible, because scum can just pick the best one for them.

But you know, continue to be biased against this slot.

I'll be in my trailer.

[VisceraEyes]

If it comes down to it and deadline is upon us, I'll hammer AA for the flip, but for the record I'm against it and think she'll flip town.

[ArcAngel9]

Lynch GM today and lynch me tomorrow. if you still want to kill me..

[Mac]

Can you give reasons for lynching GM that are not meta-related?

[VisceraEyes]

I would rather lynch Z7 AA. You seem to be scum on Z7 too, and GM seems to be too. Why is Z7 an infeasible lynch again?

[ArcAngel9]

Or Vice Versa...

[goodmorning]

@VE: Because pretty much everyone else seems to have a strong Townread on him for some reason.

[ArcAngel9]

Can you give reasons for lynching GM that are not meta-related?

Meta was just one reason, Its not just that. Its also how she wanted me to see her has town first
And, how she is playing around as IC but not giving any real content to the subject and came up with simple list of names from town to scum.

I would rather lynch Z7 AA. You seem to be scum on Z7 too, and GM seems to be too. Why is Z7 an infeasible lynch again?

Z7 came and plastered reads right to the subject, there were no contradictions. That is very scummy and looked very oppurtunist at the same time. And his vote on GM looks like bussing. Yes, I would vote Z7 if everyone decide to go with it.

[fferyllt]

Who is everyone else?

[VisceraEyes]

I'm doing so already, and people who might be tempted will be MORE tempted if you do so - right now I just look like a crazy person with a loner vote - but with your help I CAN BE A BANDWAGON LEADER!!!

Ahem...

ffery rate your scum game on a scale of 1-10 please.

[fferyllt]

My scum game is way weaker than my town game. And my town game is difficult to emulate as scum. I'd say 4. Factor in that I'm a harsh self-critic.

[goodmorning]

Who is everyone else?

My "everyone else" is everyone not me, VE, or AA9.

I'm doing so already, and people who might be tempted will be MORE tempted if you do so - right now I just look like a crazy person with a loner vote - but with your help I CAN BE A BANDWAGON LEADER!!!

I VOTED HIM FIRRRSTTTT
NYAH NYAH

So you're not a crazy person with a loner vote.

[VisceraEyes]

No, that's about the answer I expect from an experienced player. What is your read of Z7?

[VisceraEyes]

I see nothing super concerning in EU's filter. He seems like he's contributing and not hiding and I'm not interested in lynching it.

[fferyllt]

Who is everyone else?

My "everyone else" is everyone not me, VE, or AA9.

I'm doing so already, and people who might be tempted will be MORE tempted if you do so - right now I just look like a crazy person with a loner vote - but with your help I CAN BE A BANDWAGON LEADER!!!

I VOTED HIM FIRRRSTTTT
NYAH NYAH

So you're not a crazy person with a loner vote.

And AA9 is in your scumpile.

Fropome's town read had gotten quite stale prior to his few posts before replacing out. Z is null. I'll review. Though I don't like VisceraEye's strategy of holding his reads close - I think that's a strategy that compromises one's town game in favor of being more effective as scum - his posts are interesting.

I felt a little misrepresented by Z in 701. In no way is it ever "good" to be mislynched as town IMO. It's a lemons/lemonade situation. I work my butt off to leave well thought out reads when it looks like I could be mislynched.