Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

My opinion on Meta: the act of a player linking his own games itself invalidates the meta just as much as a person describing their own meta. If you really want to get a meta read on someone, it's on you to find games that either confirm or deny your suspicions, not on the subject.

For example, I have scum games where I bus the shit out of my teammates, scum games where I hard defend my teammates, town games where I rape scum and town games where I'm wrong the entire game. I can pick and choose from my game history and tell any story about my own meta I want just by which games I choose to link.

[fferyllt]

^ then you must link the games that you played as both Scum and Town. Meta is something not to be self explained.

this was meant for fferyllt

Pretty sure I've already linked my completed MS games. They're on my wiki page, too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24994 - first MS game, I was scum. It was so much easier playing scum without town meta to drag a round.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=26455 - 2nd MS game, I was town.

[VisceraEyes]

And I don't keep a wiki, as feryl suggests, as a boon for when I'm scum. Sue me.

[fferyllt]

My opinion on Meta: the act of a player linking his own games itself invalidates the meta just as much as a person describing their own meta. If you really want to get a meta read on someone, it's on you to find games that either confirm or deny your suspicions, not on the subject.

For example, I have scum games where I bus the shit out of my teammates, scum games where I hard defend my teammates, town games where I rape scum and town games where I'm wrong the entire game. I can pick and choose from my game history and tell any story about my own meta I want just by which games I choose to link.

This is very true.

My meta at MS is currently pretty thin on the ground. It is what it is.

[VisceraEyes]

Most of my games lost to the crash anyway. My meta is what I make it. ^^

[goodmorning]

So who's willing to compromise and vote Z with us?

[goodmorning]

I think we only need one more.

[fferyllt]

What's the vote count?

I bet he's at L-1. Good or bad?

[fferyllt]

Also ffs no hammer until he's had a chance to respond to the change of affairs.

[VisceraEyes]

I think it's fine he's at L-1. I think he scum, and we have like 2 days left. Sorry I missed the replace notification, I need to work this site back into my regular rotation XD

[Mac]

Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too

[ArcAngel9]

Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too

Wasn't it you who also said that Z was just plastering reasons without content???? Why are you asking us the reasons now...

[VisceraEyes]

My contention with him is in the posts you're "not blown away by". feryl's posts outline her numerous thoughts on his posting. GM has been pushing him pretty steadily the latter part of the day.

It rose quickly because I replaced in and added my support to the wagon and my voice to the push - and because not much was happening in anticipation of me arriving, my voice was kinda dominating town sentiment.

If you have a town-read on the slot, I'd love to hear it. Rev does, but he's content to just vote me uselessly.

[Mac]

Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too

Wasn't it you who also said that Z was just plastering reasons without content???? Why are you asking us the reasons now...

Pretty sure I have 't? But a quick ISO of me has shown that I addressed 703 to the wrong person completely; should've been Viscera, not Z. I think.

[Mac]

Yep reading Vis' post, it was actually your posts I wasn't blown away by, not Z! My bad.

[VisceraEyes]

Nah I caught that - you never really said why you weren't "blown away by" them, but whatever.

[VisceraEyes]

Like you don't like that I'm sharing only one scumread for now. Neat. You've failed to say why that's suspicious, or IF that's suspicious to you at all. It's cool an e'erything, to have an opinion like that, but unless you think I'm suspicious for it I fail to see how it's relevant.

And you didn't comment on what I said about Z either. I voted for him, and gave reasoning. Do you disagree with my reasoning? Do you have a townread on Z? This is what's important in this conversation, not how many scumreads I provide.

[goodmorning]

Well I tried to push him when the slot was still Fro, but then ff tripped my scumdar, and then after Fro rose back up my scumranks nobody wanted to agree with me so I gave up.

So it's not just the latter part of the Day. Mac, somewhere in my ISO is a Fro case or five. I'll find them when I get back but I have class nowwwww

[goodmorning]

^Was responding to 762.

[VisceraEyes]

Yeah I'm still fuzzy on early details and replacees and stuff, so my apologies. My point is that Mac claimed to not know where the Z wagon came from and it's dominated the last few pages. He cited a need to reread, so I'm looking forward to his thoughts after he does so.

[ArcAngel9]

Not sure what to make of the Z wagon, but it seems to have risen VERY quick. Is it an Angel counterwagon? Can someone summarise the case? I need to re-read a bit too

Wasn't it you who also said that Z was just plastering reasons without content???? Why are you asking us the reasons now...

Pretty sure I have 't? But a quick ISO of me has shown that I addressed 703 to the wrong person completely; should've been Viscera, not Z. I think.

Nope, I am talking about the below one, see the bolded.
You seem to be agreeing with pretty much with everyone about his paint sytle game play. Now deny it.

I'm baaaack!!

First of all activity seems to have stalled, like alot. New people have to get involved some more.

@ Mod - what's going down with this VisceraEyes chap?

667 - this is quite picky, I had a quick ISO of gm in some scum and some town games (and by quick, I mean Ctrl + F "reads") and whilst she does give more reasons in town games like that, she also gives reasons in scum games too. It's worth remembering, but it's quite a null tell and not particularly lynch worthy (and, that said, nothing meta-related is lynchworthy unless it's seriously bad., so bad I can't even think of an example.)

671 - agree wrt Z painting himself as a townie, it's like he's trying to encourage a case against GM. Don't really like it, GM says "not enough reads" and he tells her to stop attacking a townie. It's not a good reaction.

673 - Can't say I like paragraph one where you focus on only three players. I know you have town reads on a fair amount of people but I personally like to keep an open mind, or try to, throughout a game. Also, you seem pretty certain Angel is scum: should she flip town, who would you be looking at?

681 - this is the truth.

684 - not a good post. The "I AM TOWN" just stands out for me like it's her only defence, and not alot of scumhunting going on as a defence other than accusing herself of being in GM's way. Then she goes onto tell Rev to sheep her.

690- AA9's GM case... is meta-related? nooooooo no no NO. Find something in

this game

that makes GM scummy rather than saying she's acting the same: goodmorning is a good player and I highly doubt she'd repeat her scum play so obviously.

[ArcAngel9]

Now i am having seconds thoughts on my town read on MAC

[VisceraEyes]

Well give him a chance - that town-read didn't come from nowhere, he could just have latent bias against my slot and be disregarding my opinions out of hand as town.

[Mac]

Like you don't like that I'm sharing only one scumread for now. Neat. You've failed to say why that's suspicious, or IF that's suspicious to you at all. It's cool an e'erything, to have an opinion like that, but unless you think I'm suspicious for it I fail to see how it's relevant.

And you didn't comment on what I said about Z either. I voted for him, and gave reasoning. Do you disagree with my reasoning? Do you have a townread on Z? This is what's important in this conversation, not how many scumreads I provide.

Well for starters, providing ONE scumread means you are tunneling the fuck out of Z and not really focusing on anyone else? And of the three points you make against him, one is because he has a 'scumometer' in all of his posts. It's just...poor. Soft pushing AA9 to vote Z too by threatening to vote her as well, not sure I like it.

If it comes down to it and deadline is upon us, I'll hammer AA for the flip, but for the record I'm against it and think she'll flip town.

Don't like the above quote either; one of the "threatening Angel" posts I feel you are making here. And it feels like you were preparing for her townflip once you hammered her as though you were scum.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Whilst I agree with a couple of your Z points, including this "scumometer" as a reason for a lynch? Weak, it's like you are trying to add anything to add to your argument. Also just a quick question:

My contention with him is in the posts you're "not blown away by".

Nah I caught that - you never really said why you weren't "blown away by" them, but whatever.

You knew I was talking to you in that post yet tried to make it seem like it was Z's posts that I wasn't blown away by?

woah p-edits.

@GM - Z is not Fro.

@VE - still not 100% done. if you could answer this post in the meantime, that would be good.

@AA9 - that is misrepping me, I clearly state I'm not talking about his lack of reads; more his painting himself town/bad reaction.

p-p-edit; my reads on Z isn't town, it's actually leaning scum. But I don't like how fast this wagon has been driven. But I'm working on it.

[Mac]

I'm not sure what to make of fferyll's vote on Z either.

I would compromise lynch Z by the way, but I'm just concerned with the speed of this wagon.