Newbie 1361: The Ninja Council (Game Over)

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 1.2

[2] NicCage: NicCage, FLLhawk,
[1] Pirate Mollie: mrbungle,
[1] Mr Bungle: leviathan93,

Not Voting: gene1991, borno, Pirate Mollie, David Jones, Nachomamma8

Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-06 16:20:13)

[FLLhawk]

I also thought it might be possible to get some information from people's reactions to my self-vote.

This is a fair point and it has generated some discussion. Any thoughts so far?

[mrbungle]

strongest town read award goes to gene1991. his posts have new town written all over em.

strongest scum read award goes to pirate for reasons already stated. I'm very much looking forward to him talking about anything he finds suspicious. I know that game has just started but here's a walktrhough of his play so far.

Post #1 "hi guys!"

If I were to assume that he is town, him making that post would imply a few things. First, that he's at least a little outgoing, and also that he's excited to play the game. The problem is that since that post, he's been neither of those things. All his other posts come across as reserved or timid, and he's taken absolutely no initiative to advance the discussion. Here is the most he's given:

I am town

levi kind of reads as town

you are not a newb and neither is fflhawk or I think nickcage. I don't go by join date. <--- you guys are who I am going to be looking at

The only reads he's given are town reads which is NOT helpful. Then he says some stuff about who is or isn't a newb but doesn't say anything about how those opinions factor into how he views people's alignments. It's just a nonsense post.

Then there's this post, which really irked me:

mrbungle ----.town

for now

Is this supposed to be a threat or something? "for now"... are you serious? I read this post as "hmm mrbungle I see that you're attacking me, i'm gonna call you town to try and calm you down but watch out, keep this up and I might change my mind!"

So pirate when you come back, please come with something that we can actually talk/argue about. Townreads don't help. Also, how experienced are you?

[pirate mollie]

okay party time is over

this:

mrbungle ----.town

for now

was more less a reaction test that you miserably failed. I wanted to see if you would add cosying up to the dumbass case that you are trying to push on me and guess what you didn't disappoint.

so here go:

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

^ this is a retarded question I mean it is pure fluff and trying to say that you can get read off of an answer to it is not only arrogantly stupid but bad play as well. do you know what I do with retarded questions? I ignore them.

Look at the 3 posts before Pirate's... they are pretty obviously all "joke" posts and it would be so easy and honestly pretty natural for a townie to continue on with the joking. (joking refers to me asking if anyone is town) Then mr pirate comes in with this enthusiastic "hi guys!" The problem I have with that is that it looks like he's wanting to portray himself as this friendly and outgoing townie, yet I don't get that feeling at all because of a few reasons:

1. he afk'd out of the thread since that post
2. he didn't participate in my "are you town" circle jerk line of questioning, which I would expect him to if he really is this friendly/enthusiastic townie
3. he didn't even participate in the random voting (I know I've said I loathe rvs, but it would be better than nothing at all which is what pirate's provided)

Pirate = guy who gave the appearance of being friendly, eager to play, etc etc.... yet he's contributed nothing and he wasn't actually all that friendly.

1. you voted me exactly 42 minutes after my post and you are saying that the reason you voted me was cos I afk'd out of the thread? do you have any idea how dumb that sounds? and how does me "afk'ing" out of a game thread ( ) correlate to my entry post as "not being friendly and outgoing"? let me give you a giant hint: it doesn't.
2. I didn't participate in your "are you town" circle jerk cos I found it boring and stupid. you must be butthurt about huh.
3. I sometimes participate in rvs and sometimes I don't. depends on my mood.

what is incredibly scummy, not to mention disturbingly absurd, about your post is that you have made up this entire scenario that I am scum based off of 2 words at the time you posted this. do you know who pushes illegitimate cases it is scum that is who and your "case" does not have a leg to stand on since you have utterly failed to point out one scumtell.

@pirate

so you aren't suspicious of anything that's been said so far?

and how is that comment about newb-status relevant?

it is page 2. not everyone has checked in yet. there is nothing super suspicion going on except your insistence that there is. the newb status is relevant cos it points to skill level and good players pay attention to things like that. newbs inadvertently drop scumtells all of the time that is why you treat newbs and experienced players differently this is like mafia 101 stuff here.

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

Why are you asking that question? It's not like he's going to say he's scum if he was.

yeah, of course not. but since there is nothing to go on this early in the game, you have to start somewhere. even if you ask a question with an obvious answer you can still get valuable information based on how they answer. for example, his response was "I am town." That's sorta a null response for me, or maybe slightly scummy. There's no emotion in that response... a more townie response might have contained emotion/humor/etc.

Being a newbie and asking a ton of questions is fine, but is there anyone you think might be mafia so far?

LOL. we can bin this post in the "trying too hard" category which guess what, is an actual legitimate scumtell.

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

Why would you vote pirate just all of the sudden like that?

lol i've already explained my reasoning for my vote.... you should read the thread. see post #35. points #2 and 3 in that post are the reason I voted. admittedly those 2 points are fairly weak, but there's also point #1 which came after my vote. and even now, after he's posted a few more times, he's still being completely useless. pirate's given a few town reads but any scum can easily do that.

apparently he's not suspicious of anything which is a good indicator that he could be mafia

.

first off I am a female so how about you addressing me as such. secondly I think it is totally awesome how you have managed to zero in on me hours later after the game has opened and say that what I have done is "useless". lol. you say this as if you have actually done something except to place a very scummy vote based horrifyingly retarded reasons that only can come from scum motivation. why not just announce that you are scum and be done with it already.

what is also impressive at this point is that you have studiously avoided nacho's "will be back" post. like you are literally saying nothing about it. looks like scum avoidance to me. is nacho your scummate?

Well yeah they're over the top, but you have to start somewhere. actually right now i could care less about any of the initial reasons I had for voting pirate based on his "hi guys" post, and now I'm mainly concerned with how he hasn't done anything to move the game forwards. he gave out some town reads, but that does not help the discussion.

(so pirate, next time you post I would like to see you either giving some scumreads or at least making an attempt to get some)

lol wat discussion. the only thing that is going on at this point in the game is your posturing and grandstanding which usually comes from scum motivation.

my play tends to attract either scum or retards, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you might not be retarded.

VOTE: bunglebonehead

if you are trying to generate content for content's sake you are doing a terrible job at it if you are town. I don't think you are, you have yet to make a post that comes from a town POV. you should be the lynch for the day with your happy over-eager posting that tries to name scumtells that are not actually scumtells.

also

NACHO IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU ABANDON ME THIS GAME I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN IRL AND STRANGLE YOU EVEN THOUGH I WILL NEED A STEPLADDER TO DO IT

[pirate mollie]

okay party time is over

this:

mrbungle ----.town

for now

was more less a reaction test that you miserably failed. I wanted to see if you would add cosying up to the dumbass case that you are trying to push on me and guess what you didn't disappoint.

so here go:

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

^ this is a retarded question I mean it is pure fluff and trying to say that you can get read off of an answer to it is not only arrogantly stupid but bad play as well. do you know what I do with retarded questions? I ignore them.

Look at the 3 posts before Pirate's... they are pretty obviously all "joke" posts and it would be so easy and honestly pretty natural for a townie to continue on with the joking. (joking refers to me asking if anyone is town) Then mr pirate comes in with this enthusiastic "hi guys!" The problem I have with that is that it looks like he's wanting to portray himself as this friendly and outgoing townie, yet I don't get that feeling at all because of a few reasons:

1. he afk'd out of the thread since that post
2. he didn't participate in my "are you town" circle jerk line of questioning, which I would expect him to if he really is this friendly/enthusiastic townie
3. he didn't even participate in the random voting (I know I've said I loathe rvs, but it would be better than nothing at all which is what pirate's provided)

Pirate = guy who gave the appearance of being friendly, eager to play, etc etc.... yet he's contributed nothing and he wasn't actually all that friendly.

1. you voted me exactly 42 minutes after my post and you are saying that the reason you voted me was cos I afk'd out of the thread? do you have any idea how dumb that sounds? and how does me "afk'ing" out of a game thread ( ) correlate to my entry post as "not being friendly and outgoing"? let me give you a giant hint: it doesn't.
2. I didn't participate in your "are you town" circle jerk cos I found it boring and stupid. you must be butthurt about huh.
3. I sometimes participate in rvs and sometimes I don't. depends on my mood.

what is incredibly scummy, not to mention disturbingly absurd, about your post is that you have made up this entire scenario that I am scum based off of 2 words at the time you posted this. do you know who pushes illegitimate cases it is scum that is who and your "case" does not have a leg to stand on since you have utterly failed to point out one scumtell.

@pirate

so you aren't suspicious of anything that's been said so far?

and how is that comment about newb-status relevant?

it is page 2. not everyone has checked in yet. there is nothing super suspicion going on except your insistence that there is. the newb status is relevant cos it points to skill level and good players pay attention to things like that. newbs inadvertently drop scumtells all of the time that is why you treat newbs and experienced players differently this is like mafia 101 stuff here.

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

Why are you asking that question? It's not like he's going to say he's scum if he was.

yeah, of course not. but since there is nothing to go on this early in the game, you have to start somewhere. even if you ask a question with an obvious answer you can still get valuable information based on how they answer. for example, his response was "I am town." That's sorta a null response for me, or maybe slightly scummy. There's no emotion in that response... a more townie response might have contained emotion/humor/etc.

Being a newbie and asking a ton of questions is fine, but is there anyone you think might be mafia so far?

LOL. we can bin this post in the "trying too hard" category which guess what, is an actual legitimate scumtell.

btw, my earlier vote wasn't a "joke vote" or whatever it is that you guys do during this 'rvs' thing that I've read about.

mr pirate, are you town/scum?

Why would you vote pirate just all of the sudden like that?

lol i've already explained my reasoning for my vote.... you should read the thread. see post #35. points #2 and 3 in that post are the reason I voted. admittedly those 2 points are fairly weak, but there's also point #1 which came after my vote. and even now, after he's posted a few more times, he's still being completely useless. pirate's given a few town reads but any scum can easily do that.

apparently he's not suspicious of anything which is a good indicator that he could be mafia

.

first off I am a female so how about you addressing me as such. secondly I think it is totally awesome how you have managed to zero in on me hours later after the game has opened and say that what I have done is "useless". lol. you say this as if you have actually done something except to place a very scummy vote based horrifyingly retarded reasons that only can come from scum motivation. why not just announce that you are scum and be done with it already.

what is also impressive at this point is that you have studiously avoided nacho's "will be back" post. like you are literally saying nothing about it. looks like scum avoidance to me. is nacho your scummate?

Well yeah they're over the top, but you have to start somewhere. actually right now i could care less about any of the initial reasons I had for voting pirate based on his "hi guys" post, and now I'm mainly concerned with how he hasn't done anything to move the game forwards. he gave out some town reads, but that does not help the discussion.

(so pirate, next time you post I would like to see you either giving some scumreads or at least making an attempt to get some)

lol wat discussion. the only thing that is going on at this point in the game is your posturing and grandstanding which usually comes from scum motivation.

my play tends to attract either scum or retards, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you might not be retarded.

VOTE: bunglebonehead

if you are trying to generate content for content's sake you are doing a terrible job at it if you are town. I don't think you are, you have yet to make a post that comes from a town POV. you should be the lynch for the day with your happy over-eager posting that tries to name scumtells that are not actually scumtells.

also

NACHO IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU ABANDON ME THIS GAME I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN IRL AND STRANGLE YOU EVEN THOUGH I WILL NEED A STEPLADDER TO DO IT

[mrbungle]

lol u mad?

[pirate mollie]

lol

no. don't know what to say, do you

if I was mad you would know.

you asked about my experience. you can click on my wiki if want experience relevant to this site. I wouldn't be surprised if you already had.

if you want my overall experience I can direct you to the other sites I have played on. I stopped cataloging my games when I hit 50 and I stopped keeping track when I hit a 100.

so why the hard-on for me? you should be asking all of the players what their experience level is, not just the one you are trying to get lynch based on 2 words. that would have generated some genuine discussion, not this retarded trajectory that you insist staying on despite the fallacious reasoning behind it.

the stickiness of your read is pretty scummy, like you look like you have been dipped in a truck stop toilet kind of scummy.

[mrbungle]

and that's not a real vote. are you actually voting for me?

and no, i don't buy the stuff about this post.....

mrbungle ----.town

for now

......being a reaction test. that is complete bs. you're claiming that your strategy was to post something that was intentionally scummy, and then call me scum if I think it's scummy........ if I call something scummy which, you INTENDED to look scummy? did you not realize how counterproductive and useless that is?

as far as me citing you afk'ing from the thread after your "hi" post, that is NOT something I originally voted you for, that part of my suspicion has come after the fact. I have already stated this in a previous post.

Your post does nothing to help my perception of your play. When I read your defense, I do not get the idea that you really think I'm scum, all I see is that you're mad at me because I called you mafia.

That stuff about nacho was a ridiculously cheap shot:

what is also impressive at this point is that you have studiously avoided nacho's "will be back" post. like you are literally saying nothing about it. looks like scum avoidance to me. is nacho your scummate?

LOL are you serious? How many other people have avoided mentioning that post.... ALL OF THEM? Are they all his scummates? What about the people who haven't posted yet, who I have also failed to call out? Am I also scum with all of them? According to the standards you're imposing with that ridiculous accusation, like 7 people are scum. Like... I'm honestly shocked that you're using that argument.

[mrbungle]

also ms pirate, in case you're town there's a few things I should probably mention first:

I'm used to games with 48 hour day cycles so from MY experience, behavior such as saying "hello" and then afk'ing for a few hours is generally a good scumtell. I can already see that I'm going to have to alter how I get reads so if you're town then just bear with me

Also, because of the 48hr day cycles we used on other sites, it was important that people started making cases early and often even if there's almost nothing to go on. So if I seem over-eager, that might be why

[NicCage]

you are not a newb and neither is fflhawk or I think nickcage. I don't go by join date. <--- you guys are who I am going to be looking at

What do you mean by that? Are you suspicious of us because you think we are experienced?

Although you answered mrbungle, I still don't understand what you meant.

[pirate mollie]

and that's not a real vote. are you actually voting for me?

yes

and no, i don't buy the stuff about this post.....

that is something scum would say when their terrible case gets shot down

......being a reaction test. that is complete bs. you're claiming that your strategy was to post something that was intentionally scummy, and then call me scum if I think it's scummy........ if I call something scummy which, you INTENDED to look scummy? did you not realize how counterproductive and useless that is?

giving town reads is not scummy. I am in awe that you are even trying to suggest that it is.

as far as me citing you afk'ing from the thread after your "hi" post, that is NOT something I originally voted you for, that part of my suspicion has come after the fact. I have already stated this in a previous post.

erm no, you used the "I went afk" after my "hi guys" post as a legitimate push for your vote before I even made a second post. you fabricated what you thought was a weightier argument later, after I posted in order to pad your original reasons for voting me. I mean it is like right here in the thread and anyone who has a teeny bit of reading comprehension skills can see it.

Your post does nothing to help my perception of your play. When I read your defense, I do not get the idea that you really think I'm scum, all I see is that you're mad at me because I called you mafia.

lol. I am pretty sure you are scum, you are just so god awful at it that I feel bad for you. but you can pretend and say you don't believe that I find you legitimately scummy all you want cos that supports the role you have been given. I know better. my flip will show that I know better. <--- I am not worried.

That stuff about nacho was a ridiculously cheap shot

you will have to explain as to why it is a cheap shot. like you can't just say something is a "cheap shot" and expect it to be believed just cos you say it is so.

oh wait, you did:

LOL are you serious? How many other people have avoided mentioning that post.... ALL OF THEM? Are they all his scummates? What about the people who haven't posted yet, who I have also failed to call out? Am I also scum with all of them? According to the standards you're imposing with that ridiculous accusation, like 7 people are scum. Like... I'm honestly shocked that you're using that argument.

other people are not trying to push sorry ass cases based on what they think is "afk". you, however are. that is why you are being held to the standard that I purported.

dude, like it really is that simple.

[pirate mollie]

also ms pirate, in case you're town there's a few things I should probably mention first:

I'm used to games with 48 hour day cycles so from MY experience, behavior such as saying "hello" and then afk'ing for a few hours is generally a good scumtell. I can already see that I'm going to have to alter how I get reads so if you're town then just bear with me

Also, because of the 48hr day cycles we used on other sites, it was important that people started making cases early and often even if there's almost nothing to go on. So if I seem over-eager, that might be why

I am used to 12 and 24 day cycles so you have my sympathy for adjusting to a longer time format.

however that is as far as sympathy extends cos all of your posts point to a scum POV. if you are town then try to do some legitimate scum hunting instead of the crap that you are doing

[pirate mollie]

you are not a newb and neither is fflhawk or I think nickcage. I don't go by join date. <--- you guys are who I am going to be looking at

What do you mean by that? Are you suspicious of us because you think we are experienced?

Although you answered mrbungle, I still don't understand what you meant.

not sure how you are not understanding what I meant. can you clarify what it is you are confused about?

[mrbungle]

lol pirate, no that is not a vote. (not formatted correctly with proper spelling or whatever)

when I talked about how you giving town reads as being scummy, I did NOT mean that giving a town read is a scummy thing to do. It IS a scummy thing to do, when that's all that you're doing. And that WAS all that you were doing.

So far I'm not convinced that you *really* think I'm scum. It seems like your posts come from you being mad that I've called you scum, whether you're mad town or mad scum. All I've seen is a fake-vote, and a bunch of points attacking the only person who has actively tried to advance the discussion. You may not like how I'm advancing the discussion because it's centered around you, but that's just tough cookies. And is fcuking page 3 of D1, so any case or suspicion is almost guaranteed to be based on nonsense. But the discussion must start somewhere. I can't exactly get a read on you by just ignoring you, can I?

regardless of all of that i'd much rather see what other people have to say about our discussion rather than us continuing the actual discussion itself. you're probably town anyways since atm you're really the only other person in here who looks like they give a damn.

UNVOTE:

[mrbungle]

VOTE: borno

get in here bro

[pirate mollie]

lol pirate, no that is not a vote. (not formatted correctly with proper spelling or whatever)

how about we clear this up?

hey mod, does my vote count when I use my pet names for players or do I have to use their actual usernames?

most mods okay the pet names but if they don't I can certainly adjust

when I talked about how you giving town reads as being scummy, I did NOT mean that giving a town read is a scummy thing to do. It IS a scummy thing to do, when that's all that you're doing. And that WAS all that you were doing.

it is NOT a scummy thing to do. like poe and shit. I generally try to find town every bit as much as I try to find scum so that I have a pool of town players to work with.

you are not in it

So far I'm not convinced that you *really* think I'm scum. It seems like your posts come from you being mad that I've called you scum, whether you're mad town or mad scum. All I've seen is a fake-vote, and a bunch of points attacking the only person who has actively tried to advance the discussion. You may not like how I'm advancing the discussion because it's centered around you, but that's just tough cookies. And is fcuking page 3 of D1, so any case or suspicion is almost guaranteed to be based on nonsense. But the discussion must start somewhere. I can't exactly get a read on you by just ignoring you, can I?

lol. you are seriously flailing her. I like how you have pushed my case based off of 2 words and yet are suggesting that d1 p3 cases are nonsense. that is totally awesome.

backpedal much?

regardless of all of that i'd much rather see what other people have to say about our discussion rather than us continuing the actual discussion itself

. you're probably town anyways since atm you're really the only other person in here who looks like they give a damn.

wrt the bold: of course you do. you are seeking a more convenient target, lol.

[mrbungle]

holy damn i miss teamliquid players lol

whatever pirate. i see you've got your confirmation bias goggles on, so have fun with that.

[NicCage]

not sure how you are not understanding what I meant. can you clarify what it is you are confused about?

Your statement just sounded odd, It seemed like you were implying that you thought we were scummy because we were more experienced

[pirate mollie]

holy damn i miss teamliquid players lol

whatever pirate. i see you've got your confirmation bias goggles on, so have fun with that.

^ scum

your whole voting me off of 2 words and trying to support it with seemingly innocuous reasons was firmly planted in confirmation bias. I let it go but you continued to add reasons to it which I thought were pretty funny. and makes you scummy. I take it that you do not want to continue this line of discussion...I am not surprised.

you are squirming right now, I get it, let's out your partner.

NACHO!!!

eta: no niccage, you are misreading that.

[mrbungle]

yo nacho who we gonna nightkill? i say lets kill ms pirate she seems to have caught me

[mrbungle]

damn guys. i dont even know why i keep rechecking this thread.

i came here to make a post along the lines of "omg u guys suck u should start posting and im gonna rage and not even open this thread until tomorrow because nobody will bother posting so what's the point blah blah blah"

but i just can't bring myself to do that.... so i'm just gonna sit here talking to myself.

hello mr bungle, are you scum?

no, are you?

no.

glad we worked that out.

do you know who could be scum?

no, because nobody will post...

I see, I've been having the same issue, I'm glad we agree.

......................are you trying to buddy up with me?

NO! HOW DARE YOU

wtf bro ur scum VOTE: mrbungle

[mrbungle]

^ please ignore those 2, they're both fucking idiots

UNVOTE:

[gene1991]

I was voting myself mainly as a joke, since my vote would have been random anyway I thought it would be a funnier way to respond to mrbungle's question. I also thought it might be possible to get some information from people's reactions to my self-vote.

Hmm, well, good move. It seemed to have worked.

[mrbungle]

I was voting myself mainly as a joke, since my vote would have been random anyway I thought it would be a funnier way to respond to mrbungle's question. I also thought it might be possible to get some information from people's reactions to my self-vote.

Hmm, well, good move. It seemed to have worked.

how has it worked? if you have thoughts about that or anything else then share them, otherwise there is nothing to talk about and mrbungle loses his mind

[pirate mollie]

I seriously doubt that bunglebonehead ever had a mind to begin to with.