Newbie 1356 (OVER)

[Varsoon]

I don't like how Mist plays the game. I always read Mist as scummy.

That said, I think that doing an ISO of Mist and paying very close attention to how she interacts with her scum suspects and how she speaks for herself when called out will be telling.
With -that- said, I'm still really biased against her, so I shouldn't do it.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356 - Vote Count 1.12

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Varsoon [L-1]

- Paid Pyro, RadiantCowbell, Debonair Danny DiPietro, freezing-hell
freezing-hell [L-3] - Mutleyddmc, Varsoon

Not Voting (3):

Zoggoth, Mist7676, dexter9264

With nine alive it takes

five

to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

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Prodding Paid Pyro.

[Varsoon]

Right now, the people capable of putting the hammer on me are Zog, Mist, Dexter, and Mutley.

Sadly, only Zog and Mutley are my town reads, but their towncred with me would go way down if they lynched me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDP: Meant the Varsoon wagon.

Well I think I've pretty much answered that and if I was bothered by the people on the wagon surely I would be off it.

Varsoon: show, don't tell.

The only way to show is for you to lynch me and see.
This is a game of telling.

If I asked you to prove yourself as town would you just sit there and proclaim yourself town or...

I don't like how Mist plays the game. I always read Mist as scummy.

That said, I think that doing an ISO of Mist and paying very close attention to how she interacts with her scum suspects and how she speaks for herself when called out will be telling.
With -that- said, I'm still really biased against her, so I shouldn't do it.

If I offered to trade her blood for yours, would you?

[Varsoon]

I think that my posts already prove that so far. If I was to make a case for myself being town, it would be a constructed effort, and, therefore, liable to be speculated as scum covering his ass. My case for myself lies in you (and other players) clicking the drop down menu next to the words 'Display Posts by user:', clicking my name, and looking through all of my posts, my interactions with other players, etc, and making an informed decision off of how I have played throughout the whole of the game rather than what I say in one post.

As for your second point/question, I don't know what you mean by that. Explain?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think that my posts already prove that so far. If I was to make a case for myself being town, it would be a constructed effort, and, therefore, liable to be speculated as scum covering his ass. My case for myself lies in you (and other players) clicking the drop down menu next to the words 'Display Posts by user:', clicking my name, and looking through all of my posts, my interactions with other players, etc, and making an informed decision off of how I have played throughout the whole of the game rather than what I say in one post.

That's nonsense and completely ass-backwards; if I'm voting for you because I currently think you're scum I really can't think you're more scum because you want to survive because A) I already think you're scum and B) survival is a town instinct as well. But I have absolutely no interest in helping a player I think is scum so if you want to keep your blood in your body YOU need to prove to ME (and other players) that you are town and worth keeping alive.

And if I offered to lynch Mist instead of you, would you help me?

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I'd help you, if only to get better reads on Mist in future games. I also think there's a chance of Mist-scum in this game, so, yeah.


Again, we have pretty different approaches to the game. I'm not scum because I'm town. Would you like to see town lynched? Do you think that lynching me is better than spending the time to find actual scum? Would my flip help town out at all?

If multiple people express that they really want me to make a case for myself as town, I'll do it, but right now, it boils down to a matter of either manipulating my rhetoric to convince you, or hoping you'll trust me on this one.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

If multiple people express that they really want me to make a case for myself as town, I'll do it, but right now, it boils down to a matter of either manipulating my rhetoric to convince you, or hoping you'll trust me on this one.

Why on Earth would I trust you?

[Varsoon]

Because I'm town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Because I'm town.

Varsoon: show, don't tell.

[Varsoon]

@DDP: Meant the Varsoon wagon.

Well I think I've pretty much answered that and if I was bothered by the people on the wagon surely I would be off it.

Varsoon: show, don't tell.

The only way to show is for you to lynch me and see.
This is a game of telling.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Do you regularly spit in the face of people who offer you a hand?

[Varsoon]

We already had this discussion.

Please, contribute some more to town.

[freezing-hell]

Who do you want to lynch the most, and who the least?

[freezing-hell]

@Dexter,mist,zoggoth: Wanna lynch Varsoon?

[Varsoon]

The most? Right now it's Dexter, DDDP, and FH. I'm feeling really strongly on the Dexter vote, since he's got the ability to hammer me, but hasn't yet, and still has yet to explain why he thinks I'm town instead of scum. To me, it's a safe move for scum not to hammer, and Dexter doesn't want that kind of attention. So, honestly, I'd be down for a Dexter lynch, then a FH lynch, then DDDP.

The least?
Me.
But otherwise, I guess Shaboos or Muttley. Just wouldn't give much pro-town content at this point.

[freezing-hell]

Why not lynch Shaboo?

[Varsoon]

Just don't think it'd be a worthwhile flip at the current time.

There's also not very many active players in this game.

[freezing-hell]

I replaced Shaboo. So who did you actually mean?

[Varsoon]

Oh, for reals?
Makes sense that he hasn't posted in awhile then ><

Sorry, was clicking through the ISO button and looking at older posts.

Did someone replace RC, too, or is RC still playing?

[Mutleyddmc]

RC is vla. You make a good point on dexter actually. Scum don't want to hammer as it brings attention.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, guess my last lynch choice would be RC and Mutley.
My first one right now would be Dexter.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Dexter
Seriously, though.

[Zoggoth]

Sorry for the delay, IRL work.

I'll do the same thing as last time (in multiple posts, so I don't get caught halfway through this again) concentrating on posts since my last mass read.

DDDP:

In 212 he seems suspiciously evasive in revealing his reasons for his opinions and still seems to expect people to agree with him even though 'Unhelpful answers are no more useful than not answering questions'. This kind of thing has been going on for most of the game:

@DDDP the fact that you're IC doesn't mean we should listen to you without reasoning.

I don't know how serious he was early on, but if he doesn't give some reasoning, I will just ignore his conclusions.

More recently he seems to be working relatively sensibly trying to get varsoon to give out enough information to get him off [L-1], but to be honest this looks incredibly suspicious. The sudden change of topic onto mist, who isn't here to defend herself a lot, looks like it could be scumteam trying to communicate. This sheds new light on '@Anyone/Everyone, if you had to lynch one of the SEs which one would you lynch and why?'.

Based on this, I would put forward the idea of DDDP/Varsoon scumteam. Their argument early on could easily be read as bussing, which we would expect from an experienced scum. However, as the day has gone on, varsoon has become more focused by others and began panicking. DDDP attempted a hint in 140 and 270 on how to proceed, but as the situation went from bad to worse, he has been forced to go all out and suggest an alternative lynch directly to varsoon. However Varsoon has continued to bus DDDP, forcing DDDP to back off and demand proof from him.

Although this argument makes sense to me, I would like someone elses take on it as well, as I'm obviously a bit biased towards myself.

More ideas soon, along with overall townlist and scumlist at the end.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I do love the sound of relational tells without flips in the morning. That's right, not only have I been bussing my teammate but I was the one who took his wagon from two person curio to completely viable lynch instead of hunting down an alternate target. Then I decided to blatently coach him but of course he decided it would be better to ignore my coaching entirely in favor of sniping at me pointlessly. Yes, indeed that all sounds very likely... in an alternate university where losing is winning, cats and dogs live together, and Mutley is a good player.