Micro 158: borkgame (Game Over)

[RachMarie]

umm dont think any of the laides did lol Bork the mod is a dude, and I think Varsoon is one too....

Welcome to the game Jake...


So fery do you and Orc think it could be a scum team of Arc and Jen ? or if not which one is more likely? I could see a team with though, though until we get a flip its really iffy trying to figure out scum buds, but the fact that as soon as I put some pressure on her, suddenly Arc votes me... Like she was planning on bussing her bud then decided to see if she could revive my wagon again as a counter wagon...

[ArcAngel9]

Would freaking copy and paste the same garbage? you already said that one's, why are you repeating, get a new reasons lady.

[ArcAngel9]

^ I mean

STOP

copy and paste

[Varsoon]

Guys, while I genuinely want to produce content and stuff,
I'm just exhausted with this game.
Would you hold it against me if I replaced out, too?

[Selkies]

umm dont think any of the laides did lol Bork the mod is a dude, and I think Varsoon is one too....

Welcome to the game Jake...


So fery do you and Orc think it could be a scum team of Arc and Jen ? or if not which one is more likely? I could see a team with though, though until we get a flip its really iffy trying to figure out scum buds, but the fact that as soon as I put some pressure on her, suddenly Arc votes me... Like she was planning on bussing her bud then decided to see if she could revive my wagon again as a counter wagon...

Orcinus and I have not talked since before svenskt replaced out. Figuring out a team is kinda difficult without one dead scum in hand. But, I doubt we'll vote you, majiffy or SvenJake today. Figuring out what we want to do with our vote will be a priority once we're both online at the same time. Right now our vote is on AA9.

- f

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 2.3

[1] ArcAngel9 (Selkies)
[1] Jake From State Farm (Majiffy)
[1] Majiffy (Jennifer)
[1] RachMarie (ArcAngel9)
[1] Varsoon (Jake From State Farm)

[2] Not Voting (RachMarie, Varsoon)

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-30 10:00:00)

[Majiffy]

HEY IM DRUNK TOO.

Also Jake show me you're town so I can unvote you. Your slot was a scumbutt.

[Majiffy]

now you ladies stop posting alcohol pictures... please... i ll have to start drinking now..

Aww we both have drinking problems! Let's be friends!


Drinking friends.

[Selkies]

Jake's slot is probably town with how that replace went down

I'm free to talk, but I don't think fery is online anymore

Majiffy, what's up

[Jake from State Farm]

HEY IM DRUNK TOO.

Also Jake show me you're town so I can unvote you. Your slot was a scumbutt.

i'm sure it wasn't, you suck early on so your reads are probably shit

[Jake from State Farm]

var, why did you unvote my slot? if my slot is scum I don't get the unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

Majiffy - night 1 you said that if DGB was town you would vote Selkies, why did that not happen? why did he not even appear on your list of 3 you were willing to lynch?

@ varsoon - why do you think icebox was killed and if you were scum who would you have killed?

[Varsoon]

var, why did you unvote my slot? if my slot is scum I don't get the unvote

Eh, I think it's not cool to keep a vote on someone when they replace in. We'll see how you play.

Majiffy - night 1 you said that if DGB was town you would vote Selkies, why did that not happen? why did he not even appear on your list of 3 you were willing to lynch?

@ varsoon - why do you think icebox was killed and if you were scum who would you have killed?

Icebox was doing some of the most town work a guy could do.
If I was scum? Probably someone who wasn't so active. I find that PRs tend to be less talkative and outspoken.

[Jake from State Farm]

can you link me to 3 posts that best resemble Ice's town work?

[Varsoon]

Hope this helps. IceBox (and the respective heads of Icebox) plays a hard game, since most posts are shorter, and tend to drive a single, specific point. Here are some of the longer ones that echo what IceBox was shooting for, overall. I like the way that the hydra processed things, and it felt very town to pressure people for answers on their actions and to lay votes for pressure/with reason.

Explanation of RachMarie vote, holding the vote and delaying Gif from voting Sven, and when he changed to Varsoon, why I revoted Marie:

The long version:

It began with meta which, when summarized is: "own cheerleads as scum does a whole lot of nothing otherwise.

Towncheerlead #1:

Sigh.... Already it starts?

Cmon guys n gals lets focus on the game and not insult each other ok.

That does not help us find scum...

^ This to me is pretty much a town cheerlead. She is saying "Stop fighting amongst yourselves! Go scum hunt guys! We can do this, right town buddies?"
But she isn't scum hunting...

no worries Varsoon... I was letting you know I saw you had answered.

ATM I am waiting for peeps to post (still need a number of peeps posting) Probably will be a few hours before Majiffy posts since like I said he is off frolicking with Mollie...

Meanwhile I am asking questions of peeps as they post to see if I can start pegging peeps into town and scum piles.

^ Self-Narrates, does not actually do what is said beyond the questions posed to Varsoon. There does not seem to be a post which asked her to explain this at all.

ehhh I think it would be kinda silly to end the day before we have any real discussion.

However I see Sven's unvote as a town move to prevent the day ending early by someone derp hammering.

^ Positive reinforcement of unvote. Town reads Sven for this.

DID you just OMGUS me Majiffy?

^ I believe this has been answered, but I understood it as bristling at the time. OMGUS accusations when being put at L-1 seemed contrived.

umm already answred about you Sven and you just confirmed my reasoning.

The fact that Icebox (even if one of the heads messed up and posted under his main, made a point to let peeps know I was at L-1 also seems towny.

Majiffy's vote of all seems the most scummy, but I have played a lot of games with him so willing to see what he has to say.

Meanwhile as I said peeps have not yet posted and its what page 2? no way is town ready for the day to end yet.

1. More caution praise.

Bo goes in my town pike after a post like that ...

BTW Bo I am sure Majiffy will splain after Mollie leaves... he is rather distracted.

Because it is RVS is one of the reasons (along with knowing Majiffy pretty well from playing many games with him plus having him in a game I modded), is why I have not pushed much on it.

^ Gets a town read from Bo, reciprocates. Does not question the Sven vote, even though she had him as slight town.

That last statement was for Selkies... sorry about that hit enter too soon.

Yeah DO and Jen need to post. I know from experience that DO is good at being either town or scum, and I really dont know Jen that well,,, So yeah

want more postin goin on

.

I would be happy to provide you scum game links Selikies.

^ Strikes up town points. consistent in the pressing need for more posts. Does not seem to be doing much other than giving reads.

And then I voted her.

Trying to catch up. But going to watch a movie and then need to catch some shut eye.

FUCK YEAH I FINISHED THIS POST.

These packets consists of analysis and responding to what people say in specific posts. Not really easy to navigate: At the very least, check your own bag because I kind of have questions mixed in there.

I think Rach is a good information lynch. Probably scum. If not, plenty to analyze as far as the wagon goes and who voted, unvoted, moved vote and tried to move wagon.

Sven

Spoiler:

Sven:
#86 by Sven. Interesting or other such words are a bit scummy, but he quoted someone.
#99 Isn't really what scum say.
#198: Doesn't answer a few questions, that should be answered.
#211: Sven is being me right then when dealing with extremely active posters. Sometimes you need to cut people off to do your own brand of scum hunting. Self-conscious question. Uh, town do this kinda thing as much as scum, Null. Summarizes two players playstyles. Which lends credence to his view that his reasoning of thinking Sven is town, makes sense. Sorta fence sitting here though.
#213: I agree.
#220: I buy response 1, but he ignores 2 and 3. It would not have hurt just to say, "well, I play with meta in mind." But he chose not to. Don't understand response to 3.
#221: Cutting too many people off. You may ignore Orc, if life gets in the way of feasibly being able to deal with his constant questioning, which is simply difficult to answer. But Bo, you should pay attention to.
#222 Points out he is serious in ignoring the both of them.
#225: Clearly shows he is not actually ignoring them. *points out obvious*
#230: False dilemma. More importantly, consistency in reads and suspicion and starting to bring these suspicious things UP.
#237: Scum don't say this.
#256: Still sensitive to suspicion I think this fits in line with his early defensiveness against Selkie, I think he might just actually not like being questioned and pressured.
#288: Town point hunting: or actually towning it up.
#371: Scum don't say this. They break expectations, more methodically.
#377: Reading my mind. Which is a town tell.
#413: It will be a headache for town too. It greatly depends on how successful the early day is as far as discerning town.
#440: More fucking mind reading.
#467: Knows what is up.

DoesBoKnow.

Spoiler:

Bo:
#104 fails to mention why Selkies is prob town, but puts him there. Points out possibly scummy things people do, on almost everyone.
#108 is odd, like he's trying to remember his own position.
#109 last line proving the point that he's literally remembering what his position is... Are scum this obvious? Hmm.
#113 "doesn't feel right to me"
#120 does not answer my question, "In case she could be scum and use it against us"
#126: hmm. Interpreted for me. Rebuffs Rach.
#130: Eager to answer questions about himself. Probably need to take him up on this to get more information on this. Might be townie to do, but on the other hand, it might just be him trying to gain town points so as not to be the lynch today.
#134: Middle line is probably bullshit.
#157: ... Intermediating, possibly a town one. Reminds me of town Mozamis. Hmm. Will think on this post. Still pushing for that Rach wagon though.
#209: Scumdar alert. Paints everyone as scummy. Moves against Varsoon condescending.
#216: More intermediating, more translation, more summarization.
#228: Anti-town.
#270: Back pedals, probably moving to Rach. More summarization, more interpreting for others.
#307: *sigh*
#319: *sigh*
#Starting to think Bo misrepped Selkie.
#341: Checked wiki: You lurk usually as scum. So it's quite relevant. Why the preemptive defensiveness? Why did you make this post?
#545: Misreps and strawmans everyone, no one was giving you shit for not posting. They were reacting to what you've said and done.
#587: Woo boy. I called the Rach move. Hmm. A lot of interpreting, a lot of making sense of things. This post might be for him as much as it is for us.
#589: His reads align with mine, which is probably a good pro-town thing that usually happens when two town think the same way. On the other hand, there has been stuff that I find irrepairably worrying. Putting at lean town for these posts. Will never reach probably town.
#625: Disagree. It is the rare scum partner who defends his scum partner, but Majiffy is that kind of guy. That said, still think Majiffy might be town.
#630: Oho.

Rach continuation:

Spoiler:

Rach continuation:
#127: A difference in thought process Can't tell if scummy or not. Already starting the "i look scummy as town thing" which is legitimate. She has had a lot of trouble with this. The trick is to figure out if her moves have been scummy to be actual scum or just RachMarie being RachMarie.
#142: I read newbie 1318: She tried to paint people as scummy quite a bit. Had reads by post 160. Also cheerlead there, asked for activity, called Omgus when put to L-2 in the game LOL. Gave town points to people that defended her, gave town points to towny people who posted town-like near her wagon. LOL. Tried to shift attention LOL. Something to think on.
#355: What.
#359: *Shiver*
#373: Really should have reads by now.
#402: I am sad: but understand. Varsoon does not need leeway.
#423: Good vote, bad post. Dangerous vote because it is a lurker vote which is what scum do. Good vote because D_O is suspicious. He is not really good at being scum. He's okay(take it as a personal challenge if you're scum again D_O!)
#434: Fair, I think you need to just learn to live with the fact you're never going to be able to respond to everything and just pick and choose what to respond to. Pick the right, things to respond to as either alignment and people will let it pass.
#450: "Can we please get back to the game?" More cheerleading. Shhh, we know what to do.
#483: I'm just sad at this point. I don't think Rach could keep up in this game as either alignment, perhaps that is why she is still doing this even though people are pointing out it is scummy.
#485: More cheerleading. You need to break this habit if you flip scum. This is seriously lining up with your scum meta.
#541: Actual content. Makes sense.
#546: 1. They read you scummy as town, true. But you also play scummy as scum. Which is equally true. 2. I like replacing it too. 3. You need to look for town patterns too. You're not. They're easier to pick up on. Good question to Bo.549
#549: I don't understand this or the analysis thereof. Oh it was a meta analysis or something.
#588: Worried this might be true. But then you scum painted Sven. Which was scummy.
#What bugs me the most right now is how easy this is. You keep getting voted and no one seems to mind. The upside is, that only my town-leans, minus D_O who jumped off has voted you.

Selkies.

Spoiler:

#132: Says what Bo is doing (giving reads early) is scummy.Does not pursue it.
#140: Wants to excuse Rach. I think this leads to a trend of Orc Hydra defending her. He quickly makes a case against us in #141
#143 makes a case against Varsoon which would be odd, if it wasn't obvious that he is trying to pressure everyone for information.
#161 last line is strange, she thinks there is scum on the wagon, but not elaborate.
#207: Blow fishing it up. Trying to make himself seem larger than he is. Intimidated~ Trying to push Varsoon down. Normal personality type. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.
#227: Worthless follow up questions are worthless.
#232: What is this post. Is there some sort of file for RVS questions and out of RVS questions? Did I miss the meeting?
#255: Talking this out. Is protown~
#265: I imagine she eventually explained this unvote.I hope she did. -f.
#268: Lol. I agree, very scummy of yourself to do that. -f. Townie post.
#269: Yeah his case was bad, but you responded the wrong way to it.
#275: Wifom: But town and scum do this. Answered this question in #332
#290: The "You don't know me!" post.
#Selkies: Orc is way to involved in his posts, arguments and reads to be scum this game.
#301: "I'm town this game" Only town me does this! Maybe it is true for -f as well.
#317: (checks file) RVS question.
#328: When did you withdraw it? The case on us I mean.
#334: Uncalled for. Majiffy is reading the thread. Still, You're proving the point you're too emotionally involved in your arguments and mafia. BUT, this helps get a read on you, so that helps.
#342: Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you mean you think Varsoon laid a trap which lead to your current position at the time of this post?
#366: Reasonable vote.
#400: a possible town slip.
#475: This is par for the course and you should do this Varsoon.

D_O.

Spoiler:

#169: Sheepy. ... Weird.... Possibly scummy.
#552: *Watches with anticipation*

Jennifer.

Spoiler:

#187: Does not know Rach, Rach holds her RVS vote till she has someone she thinks is scum. Very townie initial post. Tries to make insightful questions, might not actually be insightful, but it seems like she is trying to make them insightful. Flip side: trying to get a real feel for the game.
#645: Goes with the flow, but just not the person with the titles flow. Reasonable vote is reasonable. Forecasted vote. Voted. Timing of voting should be noted. While she has not "read" Majiffy, she might have timed the vote.

Varsoon.

Spoiler:

#200: Reading the whole thing. Read the whole thing. A lot of theory here. Points given, points taken away.
His response to post 141 is fence sitting.
His response to 143 makes me bitter, because I reaction tested when I hopped into the old game, by stating I was town as town. Still voted me. "I’m normally normal in games. Also, I agree, there is at least one scum between me, Icebox, and you. PoE lets me know it’s not me, and your posts let me know it’s likely you." Or, it is none of us. False trillemas are dumb.
His response to post 146: Please don't lynch or NK me, I really like this game. Lol, okay, I promise not to vote you until lylo. Because you shouldn't live that long.
Response to 148 and 169: Standard play for him not to like D_O Play.
Response to Jennifer's Post: I made myself way too easy of a target though, and I think that's what you're acknowledging here. <- Varsoon does this as town, it makes him vulnerable, but honesty wins over experienced players as long as you're honest with few inconsistencies. Jennifer estimation is correct.
Last closing bit: Does not really indicate we are town in post, but reads us as town, over Selkies. Probably just trying to gather information, but not really a fan of the town read on Bo either or the town Rach read: WHICH CAME FROM NO WHERE.
#299: Do you like being town or scum more, Varsoon?
#353: "Anyway, kept reading this and Bo's antagonism of Sven seems off." Hmm, more analysis. *gives a town point*
#470: "but the guy who introduced me to the game told me that scum posts pics, links, and gifs, so I'll keep from doing that." 0/1 so far with this scum tell. Furthermore, that was a quick link between D_O and Selkies, I think we've talked about this already. Don't associate without something better than average back it up with.
#510: Orc, obviously shakes people down wrong. But it provides evidence anyway. He is just probably lynched a lot for it. Do not like this vote by Varsoon.
#529: Good vote. Does this vote as town. Town vote.

Majiffy.

Spoiler:

#208: Do not lynch Majiffy. Listen to song if disagree. Then come to conclusion that he is town this game.
#223: Read us as town! I am town! Good job Majiffy!
#250: True on Selkies. Varsoon wagon? Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't like it. I don't really think a scum has voted Varsoon at the point at which those 3 votes were on him.
#272 Noticing everything that is wrong with Selkie's posts and actions, which is...Good scum hunting. so far, not thinking Selkies is scum though.
#291: Sven, easy mislynch? Maybe. I don't know.
#417: Pretty sure we could not. D_O is where he belongs.
#Will finish this last bit and Iso him. But, I think he slightly town.

Summary:

Town:
Sven
Selkie
Varsoon
Townish:
Jennifer
Majiffy
Null:
D_O
Bo. I'll put him in the town or scum pile after flip.
Scum:
Rach.

Basically, about Varsoon: I'm worried about the fact he was more interested in allaying my suspicions instead of coming back to me when I asked why he was annoyed with his role pm. However, his playstyle indicates he tries for honesty above all else as a defense mechanism. This might cause him to slip up often, because of his long posts. Newbies, quite often, slip up on word choice and such. Things such as indicating knowing more than they really do, do in fact happen often. In general, Varsoon should answer your question about why he knows so much. But when you think about it, it's pretty obvious he has read a lot of games and prepared himself before actively participating himself in mafia.

[Varsoon]

What convinced me that Icebox was town was how he handled his suspicions of me, and how he never -really- had anyone definitely in his town pool, even with good evidence for it. Everyone was capable of being scum, and I feel that when scum is playing, they try to narrow it to a handful of town being the people capable of being scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

fair enough, Thanks varsoon.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy - night 1 you said that if DGB was town you would vote Selkies, why did that not happen? why did he not even appear on your list of 3 you were willing to lynch?

Probably because that's not what I said;

Also if DGB flips

scum,

Selk is confscum due to interaction with DO wagon earlier.

Bolded, because apparently you have granny eyes.

[Jake from State Farm]

Fml, my bad

[Majiffy]

It's ok.

Now show me you're town.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't need to show you anything, I don't trust you to find yourself out of a paper bag, let alone find scum on day 1

[Jake from State Farm]

or day 2

[Majiffy]

Ouch.

Why you gotta hurt me with that tongue of knives, Jake. Why.

[Majiffy]

[Jake from State Farm]

you wanted me to show you I am town, I am snarky when i am town.

if you want reads and shit, I will get to it. Having 2 games just end and another going to night i will have more time for this game.