Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

Oh I thought Eye was closer to the fire than that.

[fferyllt]

He was before Mac unvoted.

[VisceraEyes]

Oh I know what it was - I thought

you

had already voted for him. My mistake.

[TraceyLyn11]

I joined this game because

this game looked like it'll beat the record of my game

I love Tracey!

<3

Tracey- i know you're the mod, but you should stop extending the deadline eachtime a player ask for replacement. This game started on March 28 and today's date is April 18th, And we are still in the day1.

This is the first and only time I have extended the deadline in this game - replacement or not. Newbie games are three weeks long. GuyInFreezer replaced in with five hours to deadline, a deadline extension was necessary. This is all in my game rules if you'd like to read them.

...

SHRUG.

[Deras]

I don't agree with an Eye lynch, Mac's case on 959 seems to be based on what I think is misrep (the math argument, which I feel wasn't really supporting AA9), Eye's "revelation", which is odd, but I can't see how this is scummy, and his second vote for GM, which I see as him agreeing that GM is the scummiest around, and opening up the possibility for a lynch. I would've liked that he'd kept his vote on GM though, voting AA9 just makes a GM lynch that less feasible.

AA9's reasons 1031 seem dumb, not sure if VE finds Eye scummy or is just annoyed enough with him to lynch him (1130), and I'm not even sure about GM's motivations against him (she's had her in her scumpile for a while though, I'd just like her to outline the reasons). Overall seems like everyone wants him lynched for different reasons, not sure if that's good or bad.

Bottomline: I'd still like a GM or AA9 lynch.

[fferyllt]

I agree that the math argument is specious. I'm willing to consider the possibility that it's just glazed eyes over statistics and not an intentional misrepresentation.

There are other things I don't like about Eye's recent posts. But as I said earlier today, learning that he's played only 2 games before changes how I view some of those posts.

There is an assumption that I'll hammer Eye floating around. It's not a for sure. I wish Eye would interact more. When he does I get a better vibe usually.

[goodmorning]

@EVERYONE: That Fe is more willing to lynch fffff than he is to lynch Mac or even Rev should speak volumes to anyone who's even glanced at this game.

This, for a start.

@Deras:

None of those attempt in any way to deflect attention from Carey. I use several points (meta, speed of read buildup) to ascertain that I believe his slot to be Town. One person saying "I think this guy is Town" =/= one person saying "we should ignore this guy".
IN FACT, I would think that it would increase attention on him since you all thought I was Scum.

Fe is playing very close to the belt, and he's made false arguments one too many times for me to feel comfortable.

Mac is misrepping A LOT recently, AND he's been buddying me. If you don't find the case against Z to be enough, I'm questioning why you don't think misrepping is scummy.

That's the most basic basics of the Fe case in my boat

, you may want to ask ff if it's not convincing enough for you.

Apparently I literally have answered this before in very simple fashion. I'll add now another thing I've mentioned before: none of his posts seem particularly connected to the game.

[goodmorning]

^@Deras

[Deras]

I was under the impression that those false arguments were cleared up, Eye's 800 and 806 called out VE's weak case on Z, which even VE admitted later. Also on 800, Eye calls for VE to read the whole thread, once VE did, Eye unvoted no, seems consistent to me.

The argument about 666 seems like a "yes you did", "no I didn't", but I agree with Eye's 897. You claim it's a false argument, but it's not verifiable because if you're scum, you could very well be doing just what Eye thinks you are.

Is there another false argument that you'd like to point out?

[Deras]

Also could you elaborate on the "not particularly connected to the game" part? Do you mean he's just trying to appear active, but not actively contributing?

[fferyllt]

@EVERYONE: That Fe is more willing to lynch fffff than he is to lynch Mac or even Rev should speak volumes to anyone who's even glanced at this game.

This, for a start.

GM it's internally consistent, however wrongheaded it looks.

@Deras:

None of those attempt in any way to deflect attention from Carey. I use several points (meta, speed of read buildup) to ascertain that I believe his slot to be Town. One person saying "I think this guy is Town" =/= one person saying "we should ignore this guy".
IN FACT, I would think that it would increase attention on him since you all thought I was Scum.

Fe is playing very close to the belt, and he's made false arguments one too many times for me to feel comfortable.

Mac is misrepping A LOT recently, AND he's been buddying me. If you don't find the case against Z to be enough, I'm questioning why you don't think misrepping is scummy.

That's the most basic basics of the Fe case in my boat

, you may want to ask ff if it's not convincing enough for you.

Apparently I literally have answered this before in very simple fashion. I'll add now another thing I've mentioned before: none of his posts seem particularly connected to the game.

Does that lack of connectivity look scummy? He seems to be viewing the game through a "says what I'm thinking" filter. IMO that's a useful filter - it's just not conclusive. Where I used to play regularly there were 3-4 players that I could originally almost reliably read on that basis, but we all got better and better at faking that town mindmeld when we were scum. In this case, it's basically unconscious - nobody is reaching out trying to garner "thinkvibe" townpoints with Eye.

[goodmorning]

Stream-of-consciousness is a very good way to try and get a read on people. That's not what I see from him.

@Deras: I'll try and answer tomorrow, just looking at your post is giving me a bit of a headache.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok. While reading, there's a word that I have trouble understanding. What is "sigbet" ?

So now I'm at the part where (the one and only) AA9 replaces in. I can't seem to understand her motive of setup discussion.

[fferyllt]

Ok. While reading, there's a word that I have trouble understanding. What is "sigbet" ?

sigbet = signature bet.

So now I'm at the part where (the one and only) AA9 replaces in. I can't seem to understand her motive of setup discussion.

welcome to my world. :/

[Z7-852]

Could you please stop the useless chit-chat and really focus on the play. There where 4 unread pages and only few post really worth mentioning. And I'am saying this again. Using shortenings for peoples names (like Fe) confuses people and makes the posts harder to follow. This is not real time chat so you cant take the extra seconds to write the whole name.

First it still seems that

goodmorning

isn't really focusing on the game (#1124). Her activity have fallen drastically these past few days. She doesn't even bother to write down her logic anymore. She gives some reasons (#1181) but don't really refer to specific posts. This makes her case a lot harder to follow.

Deras

on the other hand gives solid arguments (#1179) about actions of other players. Not sure if he is just trying to protect Eye Urn from lynch but to me his reasons (#1183) seems more convincing than any other case made against Eye Urn. They are also easier to follow when they link to other posts.

Everybody is slowly getting irritated by this game. Really doesn't give good impression to the new players.

Eye Urn

should really give more reasons (#1129) because there are really no reason why to withhold information as a town. He's not being active nor informative lately. I'am losing my trust on him.

ArcAngel9

is being too eager to lynch (#1136). I understand that there isn't much time but still people should make better cases against each other. Not sure is her asking for the night (#1160) is sign of scumminess or that she is pissed of the long day. I would have to say latter. Also what comes to her post about me driving wagon off of me (#1163) because I didn't post a single post during my wagon.

And for fun of you all I will be

LA/V till monday

. But on the other hand I wouldn't like to lynch anyone else except goodmorning or VisceraEyes. ArcAngel9 wouldn't be completely unfeasible lynch for me but I will keep my vote on goodmorning.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Deras < Mac < Eye urn < ArcAngel9 < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[VisceraEyes]

I really would like to know if it's even possible to but taken off Zs lynch list. Like I'm doing everything I can to play transparently. It's hard for me to not reconsider my conclusions when the people I find suspicious are suspicious of me... I start to wonder if I'm REALLY suspicious or having a reaction to their suspicion.

Like really what is it gonna take to convince you that I'm not scum?

[VisceraEyes]

Z would you be willing to meet me halfway and lynch Eye? I get that you are suspicious and everything but I AM town regardless and if you are we have to work together to win.

[Z7-852]

VisceraEyes is far to eager to lynch anyone else (Me, Mac, EyeUrn) but fferyllt. Eye Urn is not on my scum pile yet (while slowly going there). So lynching Eye Urn is not meeting halfway (#1191). You are just too eager to kill people for me to trust you. For me it looks like you are poking everyone and buddying the rest. Like I don't see how you went from not wanting to lynch Eye Urn (#968) to randomly picking him (#1130) to be your next target. Most of players have been quite passive these past few days so I can't see why you didn't pick someone else.

If you want to meet halfway we can kill goodmorning. At one point (#909) you were almost ready to hammer him.
But if you want to get out of my scum pool you have to present your cases better and not just start a new bandwagon after other have failed. That is scummy as it gets in my books.

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Revenus < Deras < Mac < Eye urn < ArcAngel9 < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[goodmorning]

^Starting new bandwagons is incredibly dynamic play and usually comes from Town, IIRC.

[Z7-852]

I have nothing against starting new bandwagons. I earlier said that focusing on one player is bad. But equally bad is to start new bandwagons without reasons. It might work as a icebreaker in the early game but in this stage it's just looks like VisceraEyes is willing to lynch anyone no matter what. For these reasons I try to build a case (town or scum) against every player.

[fferyllt]

Are you positing an AA9/VE scum team?

[VisceraEyes]

I've given reasons BUT WHATEVAAAHHHHHH

[ArcAngel9]

Let's ask and take more time.... so we can understand everyone

[VisceraEyes]

Let's ask and take more time.... so we can understand everyone

Unless this is sarcastic, this is strange coming from you.

[fferyllt]

UNVOTE: Mac

Round and round and round we go. where we stop nobody knows.