Newbie 1361: The Ninja Council (Game Over)

[pirate mollie]

GODDAMN WHY DO I ALWAYS FUCK UP THE TAGS IN NEWBIE GAMES

I mean he is being really obvious

I'm already bussing.

then this ought to be easy. are you going to try to nk me again?

Scum don't forget their partners.

lol

VOTE: niccage

[mrbungle]

pirate. are you being serious?

iirc, the original reason you had for thinking nacho is scum was because you thought I was scum, and since I hadn't called out nacho yet it meant that nacho must be scum as well.

surely myself, nacho, and nick can't all be scum?

can you explain your scumread on nick that doesn't rely on the assumption that this is a bastard setup with 3 scum and 6 town?

am i gonna have to call you scum again to get you to give explanations for your reads?

if you are voting nic because you think nacho is scum then why can't you just lynch nacho first, as nacho being scum is your underlying reason for voting nic?

or just tell me that you're trolling and we don't have to keep shitting up the thread

[pirate mollie]

oh and that is L1 btw

[pirate mollie]

pirate. are you being serious?

iirc, the original reason you had for thinking nacho is scum was because you thought I was scum, and since I hadn't called out nacho yet it meant that nacho must be scum as well.

surely myself, nacho, and nick can't all be scum?

can you explain your scumread on nick that doesn't rely on the assumption that this is a bastard setup with 3 scum and 6 town?

am i gonna have to call you scum again to get you to give explanations for your reads?

if you are voting nic because you think nacho is scum then why can't you just lynch nacho first, as nacho being scum is your underlying reason for voting nic?

or just tell me that you're trolling and we don't have to keep shitting up the thread

bunglebonehead, call me mollie. everyone else does

1. I am sheeping nacho. best way to deal with him really
2. I don't care if you call me scum again, if you don't have a town read on me by now you are either a dummy or scum
3. shhhhh......
4. well of course I am trolling but I am also playing the game but the question is...who am I trolling?

[NicCage]

Hi pirate

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 1.9

L-1

[4] NicCage: Nachomamma8, leviathan93, FLLhawk, Pirate Mollie,
[2] Borno: gene1991, mrbungle,
[1] Mr Bungle: David Jones,

Not Voting: borno, NicCage,

Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-06 16:20:13)

[JasonWazza]

Remembrance replaces Borno effective immediately

[gene1991]

epic mafia is not forum based? what are em games like then?

It's more like a chat room. and one game lasts between 1 minute and 5 minutes. It's a lot more similar to playing it IRL, because it is about the same amount of real time. So for me, playing a forum where the first day could lasts for 3 weeks, kinda blows my mind and is a completely different way of thinking.

[Remembrance]

/confirm.

Hello everyone, reading the thread. Will have a catch up post and tell you my thoughts. I'll try not to bug you Mollie.

[pirate mollie]

/confirm.

Hello everyone, reading the thread. Will have a catch up post and tell you my thoughts. I'll try not to bug you Mollie.

well if I don't want to gauge out my eyeballs with a fork after reading your posts then I will probably get suspicious of you

and don't you dare hammer before nacho has a chance to respond or you will see my mad face

[FLLhawk]

@NicCage

If you ignore that pirate mollie is saying that nacho isn't involved because he doesn't want to get picked out, it looks bad because he isn't scumhunting and we all know he can.

Define scumhunting then. I think he's asked some interesting, pointed questions of people, which I consider one type of scumhunting.

FLLhawk, you voted me at first for lacking content, and now for fence-sitting, but you haven't expressed any suspicion of levi. Why are you unconcerned with his lack of scumhunting?

Levi had a point in his favor that we at least knew what he thought of people and had that to go on when he rejoined the thread. In contrast, up until now you haven't been able to put a definitive read on anyone. You've just waffled around. Also, in my read on Levi I addressed your question, as I noted that he only had a couple of content posts and I hope he follows up on it.

From rereading parts today, I think that Levi and FLLhawk are the scummiest players in the game.

That's interesting because, as far as I can tell, you haven't been able to articulate a good reason that I am scummy. You tried in post 167, but you couldn't commit.

@mrbungle

nic.

are you suspicious about any of the people voting you?

can you walk me through how you see each of their votes and whether or not you think the votes are townie or scummy?

Why did you frame the question like this? Why not just ask him if he is suspicious of anyone in the game, since he hadn't been able to commit to anyone at that point?

Most of his posts are about policy stuffs or pointless arguments.

Fine, I'll let you address all policy related stuff. Whatever. What arguments are you talking about? The only one I can think of was the gene-paranoia-argument. I have explained numerous times why I thought your read on gene was scummy, which I consider trying to determine alignment/scumhunting.

[mrbungle]

@mrbungle

nic.

are you suspicious about any of the people voting you?

can you walk me through how you see each of their votes and whether or not you think the votes are townie or scummy?

Why did you frame the question like this? Why not just ask him if he is suspicious of anyone in the game, since he hadn't been able to commit to anyone at that point?

I wanted to see how he would answer the question. I expect townies to put in a fair amount of time thinking about the people voting for them. Since a townie knows their alignment, they have a unique perspective about the people who try to lynch them.

Nic didn't really answer the question though. I wanted him to discuss each of the votes for him and if he thinks the votes come from a townie mindset or a scummy mislynch push.

So.... yeah nic. If you are indeed town then it's in your best interest to give reads on the people who are voting for you incase you get lynched. If you're town than what better person than yourself is there to help us figure out how you got lynched?

[Remembrance]

IMO: Fair warning, my reads changed as I was reading this and there was a lot of dragging people around in the reads list based on their behavior. One thing I ask of everyone is don't get into too much infighting, Mr bungle: Sometimes you need to let things settle, you're providing good content, but you're also making it difficult for some people to play. You're obviously town and that's worth something, but at the same time there is a severe problem with your level of activity, another game is ongoing, but you're demotivating people. They have a read on you. Try to slow it down and be more concise, thank you, but don't get demotivated or bored yourself, that's not fun for you or us.

Obv. Town.
Mr bungle: 117# Annoys meeeeeeeeee. Transparent as it is possible to be.

Town:
Mollie: Deconstruction posts. Interviews, Nic. Protown all the way.

Lean town:
Gene: Town read For post #91, read dropped from post #126. Then comes up with plausible reasons which props him back up. Kind of inactive. See how bad it gets.

Null:
David jones. (Read is slowly changing based on posts and his perspective, was initially in the scummy slot)
FLLHawk: Some good posts some bad posts. There's a lot of challenging on his part, which might be a sign that Mr, bungle, is reading people right and he's challenging this because of the danger it represents. But, maybe not. Corrective behavior can also be town looking out for people and correcting their reasoning for a more efficient town, but this contradicts FLLHawk's read on him at the time of these corrections. #184 is a good town post. Recent posts are bad, and seem very much like spinning a narrative. #230: Openly communicating, which is protown.

Scummy:
Leviathan. #132: Props up David jones in this post, inexplicably. #203: Makes sense.
Niccage: a lot of scum painting, initially. (checks time to see how much more investigation can be done). Need to check your meta to be sure though. His play changes and it props up: he starts questioning people for their actions and starts to try and deconstruct the wagon and find their motivations for wagoning him. Need more.

@Pedit: I won't hammer.

[Remembrance]

I don't have much on Nacho, I'm afraid to say. Not much of anything to work with.

[FLLhawk]

David jones. (Read is slowly changing based on posts and his perspective, was initially in the scummy slot)

What made David Jones look scummy and what brought him up to null?

[Remembrance]

just caught up on the thread ....hmm a lot to read and analyses

@mrbungle pirate gave a valid explanation for his initial behaviors and called you out as scummy ...but you couldn't come up with a good reply apart from dumb self votes, whining about peoples inactivity etc
now you are picking on FFThawk as an easier target maybe

ok my reads are :
pirate,gene- maybe town
FFTHawk, MrBungle -maybe scum
nicCage- not sure

This post, in particular. There's summarizing and somewhat half-assing. There's not much commitment, of course it's early, but there's also a lack of confidence, which is what I tend to look for out the gate.

[mrbungle]

UNVOTE:

currently mulling over fllhawk, levi, and nic. them's be who i most desire to see hanged (in order of said desire from most to almost most)

i have decided to not care about nacho's alignment until d2

i still really want to lynch borno but I can't exactly do that as he is no longer in the game. so far his replacement seems more than capable of being readable so imma wait on that

[Remembrance]

#170 is what brought him out of it and into null, where he explains his thinking.

[mrbungle]

@rem why do you have fllhawk as null? from reading your summary it looks like you're thinking of him as mostly scummy. what do you think is the best argument for fllhawk being town?

[Remembrance]

@Gene:

1. Are scum?
2. If you are not scum, who is scum?
3. Who in particular, would you like more information on, if you could have it?

@MrBungle: For FLL, the best argument for him being town is his confidence, willingness to communicate with others and stay on their level, and his willingness to correct others perspectives. There's an argument for him being scum, but he is definitely active enough to get a read on him and develop a better read on him as the game progresses because of his activity and his willingness to participate without being pressured to.

[pirate mollie]

I don't have much on Nacho, I'm afraid to say. Not much of anything to work with.

shouldn't that be telling you something? I mean you and your predecessor are avoiding him like the plague

[pirate mollie]

just caught up on the thread ....hmm a lot to read and analyses

@mrbungle pirate gave a valid explanation for his initial behaviors and called you out as scummy ...but you couldn't come up with a good reply apart from dumb self votes, whining about peoples inactivity etc
now you are picking on FFThawk as an easier target maybe

ok my reads are :
pirate,gene- maybe town
FFTHawk, MrBungle -maybe scum
nicCage- not sure

This post, in particular. There's summarizing and somewhat half-assing. There's not much commitment, of course it's early, but there's also a lack of confidence, which is what I tend to look for out the gate.

what was half-assed

and how do you perceive lack of confidence as related to alignment

[Remembrance]

It's difficult Mollie. He doesn't have much time, so he zips in and out of the thread with a few points than leaves, it's difficult to read that slot. I can't just say he's lurking because he has ben consistent with it everywhere. And everytime he comes in he does say something meaningful, not as much as some, but that's as far I can go with it. I should probably get in the habit of questioning Nacho, since I often just sort of place him as town, and just ask him his opinion on things to get an idea into his perspective, if anything conflicts with it, I just jot it down and wait. I've been given advice that when someone is super experienced, you should probably just let them live for the first day, see what it gets you, ask them stuff and work with them and then turn against them later in the game if they aren't jiving with what your expectations of them are.

@Pedit: His reads, he says there's a lot to read and analyze, but his post doesn't show that level of analysis.

[gene1991]

@Gene:

1. Are scum?
2. If you are not scum, who is scum?
3. Who in particular, would you like more information on, if you could have it?

Well I kind of already answered this is my post 239.
The only only thing that's changed is that you replaced the one I wanted to lynch. And now I get a totally different read on you than I did borno. and I don't get a maf vibe from you so far.

So, since Nacho was the other one I suspected, VOTE: Nacho

I also didn't have much to say about FLLhawk before, but after rereading and such, I'm leaning towards thinking he could be nacho's partner.

As far as more information, there's not any particular questions that I want answered. but certainly if nacho and FLLhawk would just contribute more in any way it would give me more to go on.

[gene1991]

Forgot to include, I still don't want to lynch NicCage, all because of the self-vote thing.