Newbie 1361: The Ninja Council (Game Over)

[Remembrance]

@Bungle there was a dude, Varsoon, who was exactly the same way. He got bored and fucked up in lylo because he just wanted the game to end so he could go join like, 5 games at once. Don't make it that game. Have fun here, enjoy your new experience on the site, smell the flowers. Then go join a bunch of games.

Er, that's mostly just because I want to win that I'm saying this. Sorry, if I'm being intrusive by saying this.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: rememory

[mrbungle]

no it's not about wanting to join more games. it's about being used to seeing a flip at most every 2 days, and being used to a game being over within 2 weeks. and now i'm faced with not knowing the outcome of the game for maybe a couple months from now. imagine if you signed up for a game with year long d1s.

anyways this is sorta off topic, so whatever. i promise i wont hammer. besides... I want to kill fllhawk first

[Remembrance]

God I feel bad Mollie.

I should probably not have joined this game. I didn't see your name when I replaced in. Should have looked harder. Do you want me to replace out? I really don't want to make both games I'm in with you unenjoyable for you. I'm completely into Gonzo, so I can't replace out there. But I can probably replace out of here.

Just say the word, and I'll give my final reads and vamoose.

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 1.10

[3] NicCage: Nachomamma8, leviathan93, FLLhawk,
[2] FLLHawk: mrbungle, gene1991,
[1] Remembrance: Pirate Mollie,
[1] Mr Bungle: David Jones,
[1] Leviathan: Remembrance,

Not Voting: NicCage,

Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-06 16:20:13)

[NicCage]

Nope you can join another non newbie game I think.

[leviathan93]

Here! give me sometime to catch up. i'm on page 11.

currently just want to say that hawk definitely seems town.

also currently don't like Bungle's post 259. its explaining things we already should no and doesn't not help as much as I think he meant it to be. opening your mind to "new things" really?

we get it that newbies have much to learn but that is NOT how most people would have their first time seem like. newbies are smarter then you give them credit for you. you're acting like they don't know anything. they do. especially if they are scum. scum know everything except designated power roles in town if there are any.

just pointing out that that post was pretty useless.

will post more content shortly as soon as I'm caught up.

[leviathan93]

IMO: Fair warning, my reads changed as I was reading this and there was a lot of dragging people around in the reads list based on their behavior. One thing I ask of everyone is don't get into too much infighting, Mr bungle: Sometimes you need to let things settle, you're providing good content, but you're also making it difficult for some people to play. You're obviously town and that's worth something, but at the same time there is a severe problem with your level of activity, another game is ongoing, but you're demotivating people. They have a read on you. Try to slow it down and be more concise, thank you, but don't get demotivated or bored yourself, that's not fun for you or us.

Obv. Town.
Mr bungle: 117# Annoys meeeeeeeeee. Transparent as it is possible to be.

Town:
Mollie: Deconstruction posts. Interviews, Nic. Protown all the way.

Lean town:
Gene: Town read For post #91, read dropped from post #126. Then comes up with plausible reasons which props him back up. Kind of inactive. See how bad it gets.

Null:
David jones. (Read is slowly changing based on posts and his perspective, was initially in the scummy slot)
FLLHawk: Some good posts some bad posts. There's a lot of challenging on his part, which might be a sign that Mr, bungle, is reading people right and he's challenging this because of the danger it represents. But, maybe not. Corrective behavior can also be town looking out for people and correcting their reasoning for a more efficient town, but this contradicts FLLHawk's read on him at the time of these corrections. #184 is a good town post. Recent posts are bad, and seem very much like spinning a narrative. #230: Openly communicating, which is protown.

Scummy:
Leviathan. #132: Props up David jones in this post, inexplicably. #203: Makes sense.
Niccage: a lot of scum painting, initially. (checks time to see how much more investigation can be done). Need to check your meta to be sure though. His play changes and it props up: he starts questioning people for their actions and starts to try and deconstruct the wagon and find their motivations for wagoning him. Need more.

@Pedit: I won't hammer.

why do you feel those two posts make me scummy?

[Remembrance]

More importantly, why is that what you care most about?

[leviathan93]

Don't avoid the first question: Are you scum, Gene?

its like you are doing so well until you do things like this. WHY? how do you figure asking someone this will help anything? they basically always have to say not because its against there win con if they don't.

this isn't even a reaction test. its a based on trust thing and that isn't really apart of this game. focus your efforts elsewhere and not on stupid questions like these.

[Remembrance]

*Knocks off another point.

[mrbungle]

yeaaaaahhhhhhh. not a good re-entrance to the thread

UNVOTE:
VOTE: levi

[leviathan93]

More importantly, why is that what you care most about?

its not them most important. its the only thing worth commenting on. I think you analysis is good. I want more reasoning though. I'm not even caught up yet though. just questioning things that come when I find the post.

I still want an answer. I don't see how asking whether its important or not makes me any more or less scummy. As people have said already. when people are voting you or thinking you are scum. get the reasons. otherwise its worthless.

[pirate mollie]

levi there is a hysteria to you that I am unfamiliar with

eta: not liking the pile on from other players at the mo

[leviathan93]

I like gene's 315 and 316. they seem like some of the more effort postings and coming from Gene It solidifies him as town in my mind.

[leviathan93]

levi there is a hysteria to you that I am unfamiliar with

eta: not liking the pile on from other players at the mo

hysteria? what? i'm not even caught up in the thread yet. I'm just posting questions and comments as I see them since I am gone a lot.

what unfamiliarity is there?

[Remembrance]

*snip*

David Jones

I like that he actually has content in the 3 posts he has. post 47 of his seems like he is trying to be helpful and not overly so. I give him town points for that. his second main post post 99 is nice as well. nothing out of the ordinary seeming. he posts his current reads though. my only critique of that is that I would prefer more reasoning and more posts before saying his reads but good nonetheless.

<-- He doesn't really have that much content per post until after this read, and most of what he had said at this point is nullish, so it's inexplicable for this read to be here.

My proposed Alignment: leaning Town
*snip*

203# made sense, it wasn't a scummy post.

[leviathan93]

^^^^lol. well then. I hella misunderstood that.

[leviathan93]

Also Bungle. you seriously need to find someone scummy who you WANT dead and vote them and STAY on them. The bouncing around that you have been doing all game is NOT helpful and is NOT town=like. Town wants to pressure, not have someone who is unsure of themselves. if I'm your target. STAY ON ME. DON"T CHANGE so easily.

[pirate mollie]

levi is town, I think

[leviathan93]

Also. I don't think "teaming up" is a good idea either. I've tried that in a couple games as town and my perfect buddy ended up being scum and stabbing me in the back. I was sad. Also I have used that technique a few times with great success as scum and won.

no teams. they bad.

[mrbungle]

Also Bungle. you seriously need to find someone scummy who you WANT dead and vote them and STAY on them. The bouncing around that you have been doing all game is NOT helpful and is NOT town=like. Town wants to pressure, not have someone who is unsure of themselves. if I'm your target. STAY ON ME. DON"T CHANGE so easily.

ok. fllhawk it is. other scum reads come and go but i pretty much always want him to die. also, i'm gonna be imposing posting restrictions on myself for a bit

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fllhawk

[leviathan93]

My reads as updated.

Fllhawk. has stayed consistently town in my eyes because his posts are consistent. seem like he cares, puts effort in and tries to scumhunt and I believe successfully.
borno. has become null. because I lost my read on him completely. that probably is my bad because of my medication. I'll look further into that.
David Jones was town for me. He still remains town for me because nothing seems to have changed but its like he has dropped off the face of the earth and i don't know what to do with that.
Gene has become increasingly town over time for me.
Mr. bungle has remained town with the walls graying slightly to null though I have faith in remembrances belief that both he and gene are transparently town.
Nacho still remains null. Seems responsive to everything, gives good information and whatnot, but i have never been able to read him in all my games i've played with him.
Pirate Mollie has lowered in my town rating only because I have so many other more solid town reads and that pushed my confidence level of reading her down to null just in case she actually IS scum and I don't see it.
NicCage still seems the scummiest to me. He has many posts. very active. says a lot, but somethings are good and others things he says are not and it always seems like a hit and miss thing for me. I normally don't believe town would make that many of either hit or misses. usually I think they stick with one or the other.
Remembrance. I like remembrance. Strong. forward. assertive. At first glance I would give that a town read in a heart beat. but then I have had players like that in the past and that is a great scum aura to carry. I'll be watching him. null for now.

[NicCage]

Are you taking remembrance's word for gene and mrbungles towniness?
Do you think nacho is scumhunting?
What posts specifically do you find hit or miss?

[NicCage]

Mr. bungles, Right now FLLhawk is scummier and Levi is a mystery. Why do you want to push FLLhawk and not nacho?