Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Ms Marangal]

well... Considering that I don't really have problems with her answer, what constitutes a good answer to you

and right now, I think nothing of them asking the IC for help. Learning how to play is what this game is about, one of them may be scum for trying to play the "this is my first game so help me please" card, but I highly doubt that both of them make up the team.

Why is the first post so important? What makes the first post you make different from any other post that will be made in the game?

[Shawn]

well... Considering that I don't really have problems with her answer, what constitutes a good answer to you

and right now, I think nothing of them asking the IC for help. Learning how to play is what this game is about, one of them may be scum for trying to play the "this is my first game so help me please" card, but I highly doubt that both of them make up the team.

Why is the first post so important? What makes the first post you make different from any other post that will be made in the game?

A good answer would be answering how an IC would help her, I really dont know the answer and apparently I dont really think she does. Oh well.


The reason I think that first post is so important is because so far its the only post that anyone has posted out of their own volition.
Like yours.
You felt the need to post and you did. So therefore that makes it more valuable to analyse rather than you answering questions.


So you think that 1 of the 2 initial posters are scum? Or you dont think that they are BOTH scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Well, sorry i didn't know that pointing out the fact that it was my first game was bad, but since first posts are important then this bothers me:

yay
Um
so lynch dudes.

Why so eager to lynch someone?

[Shawn]

Well, sorry i didn't know that pointing out the fact that it was my first game was bad, but since first posts are important then this bothers me:

yay
Um
so lynch dudes.

Why so eager to lynch someone?

Because if we no lynch, town loses.
duh.

I was concerned that you mentioned IC's not that it was your first game.
But that discussion has run its course.
Read on the IC that has posted Sakura?

[Sakura Hana]

The IC hasn't posted actually, only an SE that seems willing to help out. But from 2 posts it's really hard to think of something so he gives me a null read.
And yes, if we no lynch is bad , but a quick lynch is equally bad, we need to discuss more.

[Sakura Hana]

EBWOP

My bad, she instead of he, just realized Marangal was female.

[Shawn]

Yeah whoops lol thought 2 ICs and 1 SE.

What do you think of the irish guy posting 2 posts and leaving?

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm idk, he could have just posted to introduce himself and go to sleep. I still think it's very early to get any decent reads on those 2, i can't even read you at this point, since i'm not sure how serious you were with those questions during RVS.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't know if we're out of RVS already or not, but i wouldn't like to leave an RVS vote around so.

UNVOTE: Shawn

[Thor665]

tl:dr - this entire commentary block is all about introducing myself as the IC, blathering about my duties, and offering a basic idea of some of the strategy of the RVS. If this interests you, please read on (especially if this is your first time playing here) if not, feel free to skip.

Spoiler: IC Intro

===========================================================================================

Greetings,

I am Thor665 and I am the Inexperienced Challenged (IC) player of this group. What this means is first and foremost - I am here to play this game with you in a way that will show you what it is like to play on Mafiascum.net. I am here to win and should be treated as such.

My goals and the rules governing my actions are covered in this handy article: Being a good IC
That article is part of our amazing MafiaWiki System. I *highly* recommend this system as a good way to get your feet wet and to find out what a lot of the common abbreviations mean. There is a lot of play strategy discussed in there too. A lot of players consider that advice almost all outdated now. I don't recommend trying to run verbatim with anything there, but a lot of the basic advice is very good to at least be aware of as it can help you avoid blatant pitfalls as you become familiar with the game play here.

Now, as an IC I am here as a resource for you to ask questions of concerning game theory. I WILL NOT lie about game theory answers and will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also offer you the following quick pieces of advice;

1. Don't self vote. (there are really no points during a Newbie setup where this is a good idea, please avoid it however logical you may think it is)
2. This site frowns on lying if you are a vanilla town role. I strongly advise against lying if you have this role as usually it will only hurt town in the end.
3. It's a game - have fun.

We are now starting what is known as the RVS (random voting stage). We are in a low information period because scum already know who they are, and even have a rough idea of what power roles may or may not be in the game. It is now town's job to root them out. Because the start of the game leaves us with no information to start with generally the way to start is to begin voting and questioning other people to see if you can catch them doing something scummy (scummy actions being acts that a scum player is more likely to do then a town player).

Vote: Sakura Hana

[Sakura Hana]

Oh i thought we were out of RVS, so im voting Shawn again for not having an avatar
VOTE: Shawn

[Shawn]

tl:dr - this entire commentary block is all about introducing myself as the IC, blathering about my duties, and offering a basic idea of some of the strategy of the RVS. If this interests you, please read on (especially if this is your first time playing here) if not, feel free to skip.

Spoiler: IC Intro

===========================================================================================

Greetings,

I am Thor665 and I am the Inexperienced Challenged (IC) player of this group. What this means is first and foremost - I am here to play this game with you in a way that will show you what it is like to play on Mafiascum.net. I am here to win and should be treated as such.

My goals and the rules governing my actions are covered in this handy article: Being a good IC
That article is part of our amazing MafiaWiki System. I *highly* recommend this system as a good way to get your feet wet and to find out what a lot of the common abbreviations mean. There is a lot of play strategy discussed in there too. A lot of players consider that advice almost all outdated now. I don't recommend trying to run verbatim with anything there, but a lot of the basic advice is very good to at least be aware of as it can help you avoid blatant pitfalls as you become familiar with the game play here.

Now, as an IC I am here as a resource for you to ask questions of concerning game theory. I WILL NOT lie about game theory answers and will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also offer you the following quick pieces of advice;

1. Don't self vote. (there are really no points during a Newbie setup where this is a good idea, please avoid it however logical you may think it is)
2. This site frowns on lying if you are a vanilla town role. I strongly advise against lying if you have this role as usually it will only hurt town in the end.
3. It's a game - have fun.

We are now starting what is known as the RVS (random voting stage). We are in a low information period because scum already know who they are, and even have a rough idea of what power roles may or may not be in the game. It is now town's job to root them out. Because the start of the game leaves us with no information to start with generally the way to start is to begin voting and questioning other people to see if you can catch them doing something scummy (scummy actions being acts that a scum player is more likely to do then a town player).

Vote: Sakura Hana

There was no way that was a random vote.
Go actually vote a random dude.

[Sakura Hana]

why do you think it wasn't random?

[Thor665]

It's not a question of if 'we' are out of the RVS, the question is are 'you' out of the RVS.

lso we can then get into 'what is RVS for' natch.

Generally when people say 'I'm out of RVS' and then unvote and vote no one else...then they are not out of RVS because they're still in initial scumhunting mode and have no real scumreads. When you place a vote for real reasons you are generally out of the RVS. Also, you should be asking yourself if your RVS is 'of any help at all' but I'm starting to wax philosophic at this point and don't really feel like writing a treatise.

I'm out of the RVS now.

Edit:

@Shawn - You're right, I am not voting totally randomly, what a shock. I mean, clearly e're all supposed to just roll dice and vote like that and then sit and stare at each other shrugging our shoulders and nervously giggling like two kids attempting their first sexual experience in the back of an old Jetta.

I'm now content to lynch you too just for being silly.

[Sakura Hana]

He's been silly since he questioned me needing an IC help, i thought he was being silly for the sake of being silly tho, since that's how RVS begins i thought?

[Shawn]

It's not a question of if 'we' are out of the RVS, the question is are 'you' out of the RVS.

lso we can then get into 'what is RVS for' natch.

Generally when people say 'I'm out of RVS' and then unvote and vote no one else...then they are not out of RVS because they're still in initial scumhunting mode and have no real scumreads. When you place a vote for real reasons you are generally out of the RVS. Also, you should be asking yourself if your RVS is 'of any help at all' but I'm starting to wax philosophic at this point and don't really feel like writing a treatise.

I'm out of the RVS now.

Edit:

@Shawn - You're right, I am not voting totally randomly, what a shock. I mean, clearly e're all supposed to just roll dice and vote like that and then sit and stare at each other shrugging our shoulders and nervously giggling like two kids attempting their first sexual experience in the back of an old Jetta.

I'm now content to lynch you too just for being silly.

Oh so RVS isnt actually RVS? Then why dont you call it something else?
also who is scum?

[Sakura Hana]

And thor, if you're isn't random then doesn't that make your vote baseless?

[Sakura Hana]

EBWOP

If you're = If your vote

I should start proofreading my posts from now on...

[Thor665]

He's been silly since he questioned me needing an IC help, i thought he was being silly for the sake of being silly tho, since that's how RVS begins i thought?

I thought he was just doing weak scumhunting, myself.
I wasn't aware RVS required silliness, if it does someone should get me the memo.

Oh so RVS isnt actually RVS? Then why dont you call it something else?
also who is scum?

I usually call it over in two posts or so - if you wanted it to be random why did you make a non-random vote though?
Scum is two players in this game. I'm currently wanting to lynch Sakura first. Don't you think she's scum too? I kind of thought that was what your vote was about. If not, let me know.

And thor, if you're isn't random then doesn't that make your vote baseless?

If my vote isn't random it makes it baseless?

I would tend to think a non-random vote, by definition, is less baseless than a random one. What am I missing?

[Shawn]

UNVOTE:

So why did you say it was a random vote when it was a vote for scum?
And why is sakura scum?

[Thor665]

UNVOTE:

Use your tags, young grasshopper.

So why did you say it was a random vote when it was a vote for scum?
And why is sakura scum?

1. I didn't say it was a random vote - why do you think I did?
2. Because she had the most votes on her, why did you unvote her as soon as I sounded serious but not as soon as I voted her?

[Shawn]

We are now starting what is known as the RVS (random voting stage). We are in a low information period because scum already know who they are, and even have a rough idea of what power roles may or may not be in the game. It is now town's job to root them out. Because the start of the game leaves us with no information to start with generally the way to start is to begin voting and questioning other people to see if you can catch them doing something scummy (scummy actions being acts that a scum player is more likely to do then a town player).

Then why did you post this if your vote wasnt a random vote?
I thought you said town has no reason to lie? I guess this makes you scum.
UNVOTE: SakuraUNVOTE:
VOTE: THhor665VOTE:
I unvoted sakura because I dont think she is scum at this point of time.

[Shawn]

Yeah I hate tags. bleh so hard.

[Sakura Hana]

you can use bold tags too if it makes it easier for you.

[Sakura Hana]

Shawn: I'm pretty sure he mentioned that just to teach us about the RVS