Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Why do you think Shawn is scum trying to look town as opposed to hyper nervous new town trying to be town?
I can't get a clear read there, myself.

Can I take this as your declaration of your explanation?

[TheIrishPope]

Sorry guys, I did fall asleep. Sorry about that.
New Introduction: I am TheIrishPope! You may call me Irish, Pope, or IrishPope (or put any new nickname, that's fine.)
I have a bit of catching up to do, I'll let you know what I think!

[sycorax]

Well it's good town has a Pope, I don't think mafiascum does mayors.

[sycorax]

Well it's good town has a Pope, I don't think mafiascum does mayors.

[TheIrishPope]

Thank you sycorax! I will protect everyone, don't worry. Again, this is my first game on MS, but I have played online and in real life.
It seems Sakura and Shawn might be partners and are attacking each other harmlessly. I am not throwing out my vote because we have time, and I would like to see all players commenting on the thread.

At mod, has everyone confirmed? If not, who is missing?

[sycorax]

I think Nekoko hasn't posted yet.

[sycorax]

oh, and commandodude

[TheIrishPope]

They would also seem suspicious.
Sycorax, any thoughts?
I'm just trying to know everyone's opinion.

[Sakura Hana]

yay
Um
so lynch dudes.

Commandodude.
talk

This makes me alittle suspicious about Shawn and Commandodude, but my vote isn't moving atm because thor hasn't explicitly said what is that he sees on me that makes me scum, yet he votes me.

[Thor665]

Why do you think Shawn is scum trying to look town as opposed to hyper nervous new town trying to be town?
I can't get a clear read there, myself.

Can I take this as your declaration of your explanation?

It's certainly an explanation of one of my reads, though hardly applies to you in any way at all, which I think is what you're asking about. Of course, that seems strange, since it's blatantly not about you...but at the same time I can't recall you trying to figure out my read on Shawn.

What are you asking?

[TheIrishPope]

I have my Hand of Suspicion aimed at Shawn. He seems so innocent. Real scumtell.
Sakura, I did not understand your feud with Thor. Could you please elaborate?

[sycorax]

They would also seem suspicious.
Sycorax, any thoughts?
I'm just trying to know everyone's opinion.

It's the weekend, so they get my benefit of doubt as to their absence meaning anything other than 'did not check pms'. But it's something to take into consideration as the game moves along.

[Thor665]

I have my Hand of Suspicion aimed at Shawn. He seems so innocent. Real scumtell.

"Shawn doesn't look like scum.
Ergo - Shawn is scum."

Unvote: Sakura Hana
Vote: IrishPope

[Thor665]

Also, seriously, you're going to tos out a "hand o' suspicion" and not even vote a fool yet?
Lynch this with extreme prejudice.

[TheIrishPope]

WIFOM really. I would like to hear what he has to say before throwing out votes.
Sycorax, why are you giving them leniency? They would be attentive if they signed up for this. Why do you defend them like that?

[Ms Marangal]

I go to bed and wake up to activity, I really love this batch

I see nothing wrong with throwing out suspicion without placing a vote on anyone.

Shawn: Pope and Sakura have a possibility of being scum for throwing out the "I need help"/Noob card so early on in the game and I am suspicious of both however, the likelyhood of both of them being scum is very low. At this point in time, I do not have reliable scum-reads.

Where has Thor lied? I don't see a instance where Thor has lied (Unless you are talking about his IC Intro, I passed over that) he hasn't lied.

Syncorax... You know Mollie? Hmm... I might keep a close eye on you then

Why did you think Sakura is scum Thor? I'm getting a vague town-feel from her.

Pedit: Not everyone is attentive to their games as everyone likes. People sign up, and then RL Gets in the way, SE's also wait for quite some time to get into a game so I wouldn't be surprised if Nekoko isn't able to jump into the game right away.

[sycorax]

Why Ms. Marangel, I do indeed know Mollie, but i am much more innocent than she ever is.

I've played once with Thor as well, elsewhere.

[sycorax]

WIFOM really. I would like to hear what he has to say before throwing out votes.
Sycorax, why are you giving them leniency? They would be attentive if they signed up for this. Why do you defend them like that?

Second sentence in my post indicates I won't forget their untimely absence.

[Thor665]

I see nothing wrong with throwing out suspicion without placing a vote on anyone.

I do if it's early game, there is no risk of lynch, and you are doing nothing else with your vote. If you're going to apply the dread finger/hand then you might as well grapefruit up and apply a vote and have it mean anything at all.

Why did you think Sakura is scum Thor? I'm getting a vague town-feel from her.

I've already said why I saw her as scum - at some point somebody will admit they aren't reading and just ask me to quote it to prove it exists, until then I want to see how many people will ask about it in pathetic ways for no apparent reason.

Why do you see her as town?

Also, why are you defending Neko from rather minor suspicion rather than letting Neko defend from it?

[Sakura Hana]

tl:dr - this entire commentary block is all about introducing myself as the IC, blathering about my duties, and offering a basic idea of some of the strategy of the RVS. If this interests you, please read on (especially if this is your first time playing here) if not, feel free to skip.

Spoiler: IC Intro

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Greetings,

I am Thor665 and I am the Inexperienced Challenged (IC) player of this group. What this means is first and foremost - I am here to play this game with you in a way that will show you what it is like to play on Mafiascum.net. I am here to win and should be treated as such.

My goals and the rules governing my actions are covered in this handy article: Being a good IC
That article is part of our amazing MafiaWiki System. I *highly* recommend this system as a good way to get your feet wet and to find out what a lot of the common abbreviations mean. There is a lot of play strategy discussed in there too. A lot of players consider that advice almost all outdated now. I don't recommend trying to run verbatim with anything there, but a lot of the basic advice is very good to at least be aware of as it can help you avoid blatant pitfalls as you become familiar with the game play here.

Now, as an IC I am here as a resource for you to ask questions of concerning game theory. I WILL NOT lie about game theory answers and will answer them to the best of my ability. I will also offer you the following quick pieces of advice;

1. Don't self vote. (there are really no points during a Newbie setup where this is a good idea, please avoid it however logical you may think it is)
2. This site frowns on lying if you are a vanilla town role. I strongly advise against lying if you have this role as usually it will only hurt town in the end.
3. It's a game - have fun.

We are now starting what is known as the RVS (random voting stage). We are in a low information period because scum already know who they are, and even have a rough idea of what power roles may or may not be in the game. It is now town's job to root them out. Because the start of the game leaves us with no information to start with generally the way to start is to begin voting and questioning other people to see if you can catch them doing something scummy (scummy actions being acts that a scum player is more likely to do then a town player).

Vote: Sakura Hana

This looked like a random vote to me, since you explained RVS, i figured as much but:

It's not a question of if 'we' are out of the RVS, the question is are 'you' out of the RVS.

lso we can then get into 'what is RVS for' natch.

Generally when people say 'I'm out of RVS' and then unvote and vote no one else...then they are not out of RVS because they're still in initial scumhunting mode and have no real scumreads. When you place a vote for real reasons you are generally out of the RVS. Also, you should be asking yourself if your RVS is 'of any help at all' but I'm starting to wax philosophic at this point and don't really feel like writing a treatise.

I'm out of the RVS now.

Edit:

@Shawn - You're right, I am not voting totally randomly, what a shock. I mean, clearly e're all supposed to just roll dice and vote like that and then sit and stare at each other shrugging our shoulders and nervously giggling like two kids attempting their first sexual experience in the back of an old Jetta.

I'm now content to lynch you too just for being silly.

This was the reason for my suspicion on you. But after re-reading your post i get what you meant now, so your vote does have valid input and that means i lost my reason for thinking you're scum at this point.

UNVOTE: thor

No leads now, because i got a null read on everyone here atm.

[Thor665]

So...what are you planning to do to get reads and/or help other people get reads.
Because currently it looks like you're shrugging and wanting to sift back to the rear again.
Which is not particularly helpful to town.
If you're scum it's an okay strategy - keep it up.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually wanted to see your reaction to my post and the unvote, but i still can't get a clear read on that post, and i can't tell if you're trying to hint me at something or mislead me, i'm gonna check some ISOs and see if i can get some reads

[Sakura Hana]

hmm, after re-reading im kinda wondering what Pope and sycorax posts i don't get why Shawn is suspicious other than the fact that he attacked me fevereshly, which could easily be a reaction test to get scum/town tells out of me.

[TheIrishPope]

Pope and Sakura have a possibility of being scum for throwing out the "I need help"/Noob card so early on in the game and I am suspicious of both however, the likelyhood of both of them being scum is very low. At this point in time, I do not have reliable scum-reads.

Just because I wanted some help, I'm scum?
Sakura, the person who votes first is generally scum. So I do believe he is most likely mafia.
Where is everyone?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, the person who votes first is generally scum. So I do believe he is most likely mafia.

which could easily be a reaction test to get scum/town tells out of me.