Clearly scum-you wouldn't want us to think all that hard before voting, you'd just want to make us confident enough we've got this won to blindly follow a PR claim.In post 1443, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night actionIn post 1430, SafetyDance wrote:We have over a week to process information yet you are trying to get us to rush this. And why can't Mala be Bulder's partner?In post 1381, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: SD/Mala sheeeeeep
I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.
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"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument."In post 1439, buldermar wrote:These are not appeals to emotion, lol. I think you don't actually understand what an appeal to emotion is, but I don't think it's relevant anyway.
If you do want to have this discussion, please explain to me why you disagree with the definition of Appeal to emotion provided by wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
How is you saying "I hope town will..." not using any sort of appeal towards those players rather than any logic?
You don't talk outside of and current game to anyone about anything to do with said current game, period.In post 1440, buldermar wrote: To my understanding he merely asked how frequently someone encountered town-aligned ninjas in her play, with no reference to this specific game.
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, when looking at roles and speculating don't hit up the first non-competing player I find to get their opinion. WTF. That's just a slippery slope, what then would stop someone just posting in mafia discussion to get advice on a current closed setup or role? Absurd.Your line of reasoningIn post 1447, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: But then by that same logic, you just scumslipped in this post too by saying that if I get modkilled, I would get lose the game for town. Thus implying that you know that I'm town, and that you're scum.
See how weak that line of reasoning is?
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You should know, it was your post.In post 1444, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: Obviously it was a lie? idk?
But that's information you only get AFTER you asked him to claim/give reads, which you deprived the whole town of getting and limiting the scope of our knowledge, not just your own. Why would you limit the town's gained info just because you have everything you need? That's completely egotistical.In post 1442, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: Mala is 100% clear at this point in time. Buldermar wanted to lynch her first, and there's no point in scum bussing at 5p lylo. There really isn't. Plus, her outburst yesterday was very town.
Why does seeing buldermar claim VT even matter? Was I supposed to expect the possibility of seeing him claim town 1-shot ninja? My night result was effectively a scum investigative result. He even claimed VT later, if it matters that much to you.
Bulder claiming matters because THEN you can out your info and counter-claim without bringing up any wifom up that you created it up on the spot and can give definitive proof that Bulder is lying, whereas claiming he's scum before hand means you're saying he's lying before he's said anything to incriminate. That may be fine on you're end, BUT WE'RE NOT YOU!!! I'm not privy to you pms...thankfully.
So not giving town info in lylo is at less priority than keeping scum in the dark? Why? If it's as simple as you say then tomorrow is a formality regardless of roles.In post 1443, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action
I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.
I addressed why Mala can't be Buld's partner. Two very simply points--outburst yesterday and interaction with BUldermar. If you need more, ask.
Also first sentence - BULDER IS YOUR LYNCH CANDIDATE! WHILST I'M NOT PREPARED TO DELVE INTO THE MIND OF PIDGEYMOD, I THINK I CAN SAFELY SAY ZOMBIE-SCUM RISING UP FROM THE DEAD ARE NOT IN THIS GAME. So how the fuck could he have a night action?
Now you just have me paranoid about these:
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Her outburst yesterday was towards YOU, not bulder, where she (rightly) told you to get fucked. I fail to see any kind of alignment-tell out of it, so yes, more is needed.
Ok I will then. Especially since your statement was alignment-indicative and not role-indicative, a point you failed to even address in your cherry-picking.In post 1445, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:1433:
Sure, okay. I didn't actually read the start of day 2 that closely. I apologize.
It was right out of the gate for me because that was my first post back. But yeah, sure, you can discount it.
In post 1446, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: I thought you were town on day 2 by virtue of your neighbor result. And then I realized that you could be scum neighbor, and that I was still working on your flavor being Zoe Graystone. So yeah, I had you as a weird read.
And I wasn't paying attention at all.
Sure, view that as a scum slip.
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So you weren't paying attention at all...yet you had read enough to form opinions? Just WTF.
I'd also expect someone who's being so cocky about their play and knowledge would KNOW that just being a neighbor doesn't indicated alignment. Heck it's the same reasoning Mala used to say it was S/T, it's flat-out wrong, you don't assume anything.
Just like I'm not assuming that you are town and bulder is scum.
In post 1448, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: Hahahahaha WOW fuck you very much.
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I knew all this was just bullshit. You really do have an over-exaggerated opinion on yourself. Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?
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Sick because you're scared you're going to slip up.In post 1454, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Help me convince SD because I'm really sick of him?
In post 1451, Malakittens wrote:Sure, but chances are you'll be here
These posts instil so much confidence about YOUR alignment.In post 1455, Malakittens wrote:I can try, but not sure if SD will listen to me
Mala/Orc 2013
Except...we don't know your role so any speculation is useless - spesh if you keep inferring you have a PR!In post 1465, Malakittens wrote:There's a difference between tossing in silly roles and tossing in silly roles that are useful. When there's a watcher - there's no need for a town aligned ninja, but there is a need for a scum aligned ninja.
AP ins't the type of mod to say - hey I'm just going to put in a town ninja for laughs. He does balance, he likes to write up flavor.
Plus you literally admitted to being one so please lynch him guys.
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Oof.In post 1459, buldermar wrote:She's not posting because she's scum with orc. What the fuck would the point of her not posting if she was scum with me be? You're making so little sense that it hurts.In post 1449, Malakittens wrote:Also Pit.. has been around since Day opened. I just checked timestamps and we did get a day on.. so her avoiding posting right now is odd as hell.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24292In post 1206, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've yet to be scum on site so I don't know
In post 1206, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Yeah I admitted that I had a shit case on you. Basically I figured that if you were scum you already won because literally I cannot find jack shit to build a case on you with, short of fake claiming a cop or something.
You really said that.
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maybe mala IS a PR and maybe I've been PR reading her since day end yesterday I don't know man
look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?
Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?
Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already. I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.
Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.
Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.
None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?
Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?
Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already. I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.
Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.
Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.
None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
We are lazy people on an adventure, flirting with life but too shy to go all the way.
It is indeed using appeals, just not appeal to emotion. Anyway, I don't feel like discussing this, I don't think it's important.In post 1478, SafetyDance wrote:"Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument."
How is you saying "I hope town will..." not using any sort of appeal towards those players rather than any logic?
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I personally don't think he did anything wrong in asking a person whether she had encountered town ninjas before, but I do see the point you're making and maybe he did from a strict rule-set point of view.In post 1478, SafetyDance wrote:You don't talk outside of and current game to anyone about anything to do with said current game, period. I, when looking at roles and speculating don't hit up the first non-competing player I find to get their opinion. WTF. That's just a slippery slope, what then would stop someone just posting in mafia discussion to get advice on a current closed setup or role? Absurd.
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I was convinced she was scum.In post 1479, SafetyDance wrote:Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?
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Yeah, obviously, which means that Mala is scum with orc.In post 1481, SafetyDance wrote:Bambi can only be scum with you now.
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What????In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1,but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice.
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So why were you on the final wagon when you supposedly could have rolecop'ed her? Nice story.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.
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In post 1173, Syryana wrote:Fair enough.In post 1172, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.In post 1170, Syryana wrote:My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.
So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?
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This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
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This is a lie.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Town aligned ninjas do not exist.
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This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
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I'm leaning a lot about stupidity watching you play.In post 1493, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I'm learning a lot about scum AtE watching you flail
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Mala isn't claiming today. Once again, not pandering to scum. If SD wants to pressure a claim he'll do it himselfIn post 1494, buldermar wrote:This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
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Nuh-uhIn post 1495, buldermar wrote:This is a lie.In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Town aligned ninjas do not exist.
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